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Posted August 17, 2021, by Geoff Hubbs (geoffrey [dot] hubbs [at] att [dot] net)

Another mystery bridge...Ocean Beach Highway crosses Coal Creek Slough about 4 miles to the east, but there's no evidence from USGS maps that it was a moveable bridge.

Posted August 11, 2021, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

This AFE scan seems to give some conflicting information on this bridge:

It instead states the span came from Bridge #157 over the Powder River; Yellowstone Division:

Posted August 8, 2021, by Luke

Richard Doody's duplicate ( needs to be merged into this one

Posted August 6, 2021, by John Bernhisel (Johnmbernhisel [at] gmail [dot] com)

Sadly in August 2021 the name plate and historic information are gone. There is a lot of graffiti on the arches.

Posted July 26, 2021, by John M. Bernhisel (jbernhisel [at] gmail [dot] com)

The bridge was destroyed by a fire caused by a downed power line.

Posted July 15, 2021, by Carl Johnson

It is. But as a newbie I do not yet feel comfortable changing names.

Posted July 15, 2021, by Luke
Posted July 15, 2021, by Carl Johnson (cjohnson [at] ncia [dot] com)

Originally Highway 9 bridge that was removed sometime between 1990 and 2005 with highway realignment through Arlington, WA.

Posted July 11, 2021, by Luke

Allentown, according to LostBridges (Like Bridgehunter, but covered/wooden truss specific.) says that Allentown crossed a river, not railroad tracks:

Alexander already linked to Renton's page in the description section.

Posted July 11, 2021, by Carl Johnson (cjohnson [at] ncia [dot] com)

This is the Allentown Covered Bridge. Not Renton.

Posted July 7, 2021, by TrackWalker (cjohnson [at] ncia [dot] com)

Bridge crossed the Skagit River 5 miles east at Sedro-Woolley, WA and was the precursor to NP- Skagit River Bridge.

Posted July 6, 2021, by Tim (bootccat [at] hotmail [dot] com)

This bridge is listed as non-operational, but in fact it is operational and in use. It opens for boats as needed. See video of bridge opening.

Posted July 6, 2021, by Mike Goff (michael [dot] goff [at] hotmail [dot] com)

This bridge was probably moved to this location on the 1962 build date as the truss likely dates from the 1920s based on the truss member make-up.

Posted July 3, 2021, by Greg Harper (gh200k [at] gmail [dot] com)

Just a small typo.

As written: “… a detailed railroad car broke up the cross ties…”

“detailed” should be “derailed”


Posted July 1, 2021, by Mike Goff (michael [dot] goff [at] hotmail [dot] com)

I stopped by this bridge to snap some photos before it is replaced. Access is very difficult and the bridge is on a dangerous curve. Use extreme caution if trying to take a look. It's not an overly beautiful bridge so it might not be worth the dangers at this time.

The replacement project is currently in the environmental impact stage. There was an archeological investigation taking place when I stopped by.

Posted June 28, 2021, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)
Ditch Bridge (Washington)
Posted June 23, 2021, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

It looks like a concrete t-beam or slab. I assume John just put that by mistake? John, did you look underneath this bridge, are there individual beams underneath it or a solid slab of concrete? The crossing for the current 1986 bridge to the north is referred to in the NBI as Pilchuck River Overflow.

Ditch Bridge (Washington)
Posted June 23, 2021, by Dave King (DKinghawkfan [at] hotmail [dot] com)

This can’t be a deck truss.

Posted May 26, 2021, by Daniel O'Keeffe (brilliantgenius1 [at] hotmail [dot] com)

They replaced this bridge in the late 90s(?). It was rebuilt in the style of the old bridge, but it is not the original CCC bridge.

Posted May 20, 2021, by Ryon Davis (xlittlearmsx [at] gmail [dot] com)

This bridge was removed on May 2021

Posted May 19, 2021, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Its just discussions at this time, but the first mutterings of demolition and replacement have begun for this magnificent and highly significant historic bridge.

Posted May 17, 2021, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

Friend Andrew Ramaley from Lawrence, KS visited and photographed this bridge May, 2021

Posted May 15, 2021, by Robert Petersen (heyrob [at] usa [dot] net)

Posted 12/10/2019 Essay 20937

At 10 p.m. on Friday, February 1, 2019, the Battery Street Tunnel, which connects the Alaskan Way Viaduct to Aurora Avenue underneath Seattle's Belltown neighborhood, is permanently closed to traffic. Along with the venerable Alaskan Way Viaduct, both having been replaced by the new State Route 99 tunnel, also known as the Alaskan Way Viaduct replacement tunnel, is a bored highway tunnel, 2-miles long,in a double-decker tunnel configuration which carries a section of State Route 99 under Downtown Seattle from SoDo in the south to South Lake Union in the north. It opened to traffic on February 4, 2019.

Posted May 8, 2021, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

Similar to the Huey P Long in Jefferson Parish. The approaches are a lot longer than the actual bridge. They aren't really a separate bridge.

Posted May 8, 2021, by Luke

Technically, this would be an approach to

Posted May 7, 2021, by Reidosarous (reidosarous [at] gmail [dot] com)

Possible photo from mid 1920s

Posted May 3, 2021, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

I'm not sure if this bridge was built on a new alignment, but there was a previous Washington Street bridge, built 1906, which was at least partially shipped to Minnesota:

Posted April 30, 2021, by Doug Shirk (shirk [at] charter [dot] net)

Bridge was re decked and opened to bicycles and pedestrians on April 26th, 2021.

Huffaker Bridge (Washington)
Posted April 10, 2021, by COLLIN T Neuhauser (nilloc29 [at] gmail [dot] com)

This bridge is planned to be replaced sometime in the next few years. The Forest Service has finished an environmental analysis for its replacement.

Posted April 8, 2021, by Mike Goff (michael [dot] goff [at] hotmail [dot] com)

It is tough, we deal with these types of folks on our regular open to traffic bridges within the public view. I can't imagine trying to enforce limits on a remote private bridge like the timber company has to do at Vance Creek.

We actually had someone get a hold of one of our state issued keys and did some crazy stuff on a couple bridges in Portland. Of course they had to post it on YouTube.

Posted April 7, 2021, by Luke

Mike, I fear your grumpy old man yelling will fall on dead ears, as I was smack dab in the middle of nature/outdoorsy groups on tumblr pleading with them to be smart about it and just visit the similar, publicly accessible arch nearby if they really needed that selfie itch.

They didn't listen in 2013/4... ...I doubt they'll listen in 2021

Posted April 7, 2021, by Patrick Gurwell (pgurwell [at] gmail [dot] com)

Nice post.

Posted April 7, 2021, by Mike Goff (michael [dot] goff [at] hotmail [dot] com)

I finally got to make an unexpected short visit to the Vance Creek Bridge last month.

The bridge is simply an amazing structure! The arch is massive, the steel work beautiful and the walk in great. Certainly worth the visit for bridge hunters.

Now the grumpy old man rant about social media influencers...

If you so choose to visit this bridge by all means take the hike out there enjoy the bridge for what it is, even make that Instagram post, but for goodness sakes don't climb on the structure!

The private owner does not want the liability. They have placed razor wire around the access points, posted numerous signs, taken the deck off a portion of the bridge and people still feel it is their right to walk out on the bridge and take a selfie. If people do not start respecting the owner's wishes the bridge will be locked away from view. Please respect the private owner!

Stossel Bridge (Washington)
Posted April 5, 2021, by Rob

Yes, the concrete pylons south of the current Stossel Bridge belonged to the former Stossel Bridge built in circa 1915. Online plans through the King County Road Services archive show that the old bridge was at a slight east-southeast angle to the current west-east alignment. And the east approach was curved 90 degrees to the south as the old road followed the east bank of the river. The prior bridge appears to have been a steel span using pin and eye-bar construction and had a wood plank road deck.

A search "Stossel Bridge" at the web site below will pull up numerous plans for the current 1951 bridge and some plans for the prior bridge.

Posted March 30, 2021, by John

Photo six is of Tunnel 4. Stampede Tunnel is tunnel 3.

Posted March 29, 2021, by Mike Goff (michael [dot] goff [at] hotmail [dot] com)


You can always do a public records request with the City of Spokane or the Washington State Department of Transportation to request bridge drawings. Sometimes it is difficult to get access to the actual plans, but since the bridge is being replaced it might be worth trying.



Posted March 26, 2021, by Sam Ross Sigholz (samsigholz [at] yahoo [dot] com)

by any chance do you know if there's a way to find the blueprints for this bridge (Post Street bridge in Spokane)?

Posted March 8, 2021, by anonymous (rsalstrom [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Also, known as the Warren Avenue Bridge.

Posted February 5, 2021, by Douglas Butler

This is my drawing I just did with a La Conner Bridge with color!

Posted January 31, 2021, by Byron Miller (iluvspam6 [at] gmail [dot] com)

I..I...I... I have never seen such a thing!!!!!!!!!!! That was spectacular! Thank you kindly for the video, sir.

Posted January 16, 2021, by Douglas Butler

What about this one ?

Posted January 16, 2021, by Luke

It is now.

Posted January 16, 2021, by Douglas Butler

Is this location right ?

Posted January 11, 2021, by Luke

Per the image source: "In February 1916, the Army Corps of Engineers prepared to lower the waters of Lake Washington and raise those of Salmon Bay. Since this would inundate the Fourteenth Avenue NW Bridge, and since the Ballard Bridge was only half finished, the War Department ordered the Fourteenth Avenue NW Bridge to be raised. On April 10, 1916, the Seattle City Council passed an ordinance (35942) to raise its approaches and drawspan and appropriated $5,800 from the General Fund for the purpose.

On December 15, 1917, the Ballard Bridge, a double-leaved bascule bridge that spanned Salmon Bay at 15th Avenue NW, finally opened to traffic. At this point the War Department considered the Fourteenth Avenue NW Bridge an obstruction to navigation. On August 15, 1918, the War Department ordered the city of Seattle to remove the bridge, "the work of removal to be commenced within two weeks and to be completed within two months from the date of service of this order" (Keppel to the City of Seattle, August 15, 1918). In order to comply, on November 25, 1918, the Seattle City Council passed an emergency ordinance (38937) directing the Board of Public Works to remove the drawbridge."

Posted January 11, 2021, by Geoff Hubbs (geoffrey [dot] hubbs [at] att [dot] net)

Doug - I think you get successor and predecessor confused. Any idea why this bridge only lasted 6 years?

Posted January 5, 2021, by Kim lakin (Klakin2013 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Hi, I grew up in the Cispus valley and have crossed the old wooden bridge several times as a child walking and in the car do you have any available pictures you could email me to print out and frame....It was a beautiful and well constructed bridge. Thank you, Kim

Posted December 29, 2020, by Santa Danny 🎅 (santadanny56 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Looked for the 1987 Survey disc on south end of east abutment and found what seems to be a replacement by county. I'd like to hear if the original is still there.

Posted November 30, 2020, by Eric Bosell (eric [dot] bosell [at] gmail [dot] com)

Here's a new picture of the NP Skagit River Bridge. I took the photo on 11/28/2020, a beautiful fall day here in the Skagit Valley.

And here's some historical notes and supporting links about the history of the rail line:

Evidently there was a different bridge at this location prior to the construction of this steel bridge in 1913. The railroad itself was originally constructed by the SLS&E c.1880-1892. They built 126.30 miles (203.26 km) of track from Seattle to Sumas, connecting with the Canadian Pacific transcontinental railroad. The line was acquired by the Northern Pacific Railroad around 1896.

Posted November 24, 2020, by Charles Chambers (charleschambers [at] ymail [dot] com)

Here is a BNSF video about the replacement of this bridge in 2019.

Posted November 16, 2020, by Claire (clairejaniece [at] gmail [dot] com)

Here's a picture of the bridge that I took in fall 2020.

Posted November 12, 2020, by Charles Chambers (charleschambers [at] ymail [dot] com)

Here is a BNSF video about their plan to repair the bridge.

Posted November 12, 2020, by Charles Chambers (charleschambers [at] ymail [dot] com)

Here is a news report with several photos and an audio interview with the bridge tender.

Posted November 7, 2020, by Jason Smith (flensburg [dot] bridgehunter [dot] av [at] googlemail [dot] com)

On this day 80 years ago, Galloping Gertie, the nickname of the first Tacoma Narows crossing, came tumbling down due to a wind storm. A documentary about the event can be found here.......

Posted November 1, 2020, by Herman (hunterwarrenstrickland [at] gmail [dot] com)

I would rather slurp centipedes smeared in hot wax than walk across that goddamn thing

Posted October 15, 2020, by Charles Chambers (charleschambers [at] ymail [dot] com)

Here is BNSF's report on this bridge replacement with more photos and details.

Posted October 9, 2020, by Mark Bozanich (markthemapper [at] gmail [dot] com)

BNSF announced earlier this week that it was not going to replace the current Salmon Bay Bridge No. 4 with a new vertical lift bridge. Instead, BNSF is going to replace the counterweight system on the current bridge. The story appeared on MYNorthwest at

Posted October 4, 2020, by Claire D (clairejaniece [at] icloud [dot] com)

I did some metal detecting/general exploring around here and saw the remains of the old bridge and that led me here! If anyone is interested, here is what the area on the southern side looks like now.

Posted September 24, 2020, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Done. And for that matter, this had no business having a StreetView.

Posted September 24, 2020, by Michael Taylor

Shouldn't the disaster tag be added considering that 20 were killed in its collapse?

Posted September 16, 2020, by Charles Chambers (charleschambers [at] ymail [dot] com)

Here is an article about the installation of the new bridge at Drano Lake along the Columbia River in Washington.

Posted September 9, 2020, by Steve Lindsey (stevelindsey60 [at] hotmail [dot] com)
Posted September 9, 2020, by Patrick Gurwell (pgurwell [at] gmail [dot] com)

That's too bad. That is a great bridge in a great setting.

Posted September 8, 2020, by Alexander D. Mitchell IV
Posted September 8, 2020, by John Marvig

I’m seeing pictures that this bridge burned in wildfires yesterday.

Posted August 31, 2020, by Anonymous

Here is time-lapse video of the new span leaving Vancouver where it was loaded on the barge. There is also a video in the comments of the barge moving up the Columbia River.

Posted August 29, 2020, by Charles Chambers (charleschambers [at] ymail [dot] com)

Here is a photo of the new bridge being moved up the river on a barge.

Posted August 29, 2020, by Charles Chambers (charleschambers [at] ymail [dot] com)

Here is a photo of the new bridge being moved up the river on a barge.

Posted August 26, 2020, by Nathan B Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)
Posted August 18, 2020, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

I believe this is a three hinged arch bridge. It is very rare, but some arch bridges lack a true arch shape, and some can come to a point at the crown hinge. Here is another extreme example:

Posted August 17, 2020, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Some type of hinged arch perhaps.

Posted August 17, 2020, by Aaron Peterson (myusualnickname [at] gmail [dot] com)

We are curious about the middle of the bridge, where it looks to be a pinned connection between two halves.

We are unfamiliar with this detail.

Posted May 31, 2020, by Alex (reboot [at] scn [dot] org)

My understanding is that this was a temporary bridge erected during the construction of the ship canal and locks. The existing bridges over the waterway had to be replaced with drawbridges tall enough to accommodate the ship traffic that was to come.

Vernita Bridge (Washington)
Posted May 25, 2020, by Vernida Songer (vmsonger [at] gmail [dot] com)

My question is and cant find an answer to it.

Why was I named after a bridge that was not constructed until 1965 when I was born in 1963?

Was there another bridge in its place? If so do you have a photo of it?

I read of the ferry but I wasnt named after the ferry; was named after the bridge.

Posted May 16, 2020, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Yep, that seems right. Looks like I just misread the last line.

Posted May 16, 2020, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

John, I think they might be speaking of the new replacement through truss. Sounds like they have it built at another location so they can move it into place quickly.

Posted May 16, 2020, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Sounds like this bridge is being replaced. Interestingly, the article mentions the bridge will be floated up the Columbia to its final location...whatever that means.

Posted April 25, 2020, by Nicholas chard (Nicholaschard5 [at] gmail [dot] com)

It's sad that this bridge was removed in December of 1976 I watched this being demolished. The last time I saw this bridge used was in 1969. In the mid 1960's a detailed railroad car broke up the cross ties on the long south approach tressle and it was spot tied then used less often. This bridge was known as northern Pacific's bridge and was used as a detour route when they great northerns bridge number 4 'S 500 ton counter weight fell off in 1948 the bridge tender had to crawl under the weight to get off the bridge because the counter weight was resting on the rails. The last time the northern Pacific's lost bascule bridge was painted was in 1953 and it had the northern pacific logo on both sides of the counter weight and was painted silver before that it was black. The NP draw bridge span was located at 6 the Ave NW and NW 41 st. st in Fremont wn. This was my favorite railroad bridge. It only lasted about 61 years it's to bad it wasn't could have been used for garbage trains at the new north transfer station or used as a detour when the GN bridge is out of service for repairs.

Posted April 22, 2020, by Nicholas chard (Nicholaschard5 [at] gmail [dot] comw)

Wasn't the 1911 bridge torn down after they built them new 1932 bridge. Both spans existed side by side for a short time . The old one was replaced because the war Dept said the old bridge didn't have enough clearance.

Posted April 19, 2020, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Well, it was definitely built as one...

Posted April 19, 2020, by Matt Lohry

It’s clearly a swing bridge looking at the photos and GE sat view, but it sounds like it hasn’t been used as such for many years.

Posted April 19, 2020, by Geoff Hubbs (geoffrey [dot] hubbs [at] att [dot] net)

It certainly has a fender system and control house for a swing bridge.

According to

This bridge no longer opens for boats, and has not operated since 1967. An old, but still active agreement with the Corps of Engineers states that if needed the bridge must be made movable within a year of notice.

Posted April 18, 2020, by Jim Betz (jimbetz [at] jimbetz [dot] com)

This bridge does not connect Anacortes to the mainland -

it crosses Fidalgo Bay and connects Anacortes to March

Point (which is still part of Fidalgo Island).

Posted April 18, 2020, by Jim Betz (jimbetz [at] jimbetz [dot] com)

This is not a swing bridge. Never has been as far as I

know (I was raised in Skagit County in the 50's). Jim in

Burlington, Wa.

Posted April 18, 2020, by Jim Betz (jimbetz [at] jimbetz [dot] com)

This bridge is not NP - it is GN (Great Northern).

The NP never went to Concrete.

Please correct. Thanks ... Jim in Burlington, Wa.

Posted April 14, 2020, by George A Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Nic,whoever was cutting the metal had to be very creative to get back to where the rail cars are located being a remote location from what I see on the map.

Posted April 14, 2020, by Nic (Scorpionfury [at] gmail [dot] com )

Hiked along this stretch yesterday (4/13/2020) and box cars are still there. Very neat! The wheels and some of the metal has been cut off and removed at some point. Hope they're not removed as they are an interesting sight for visitors!

Posted March 28, 2020, by Robert Banel (bob [dot] banel [at] aol [dot] com)

My daughter and I attended the Grand Opening Ribbon Cutting Ceremony on April 2, 2016. The weather was nice. A Metro bus picked up us by Hec Ed Pavillion at the UW and drove on the old bridge and then dropped us off on the west end. Spent the the better part of the day there. Listened our Guv'nor speak of the future. Quite a bit of swag being handed out, from flashlights to umbrellas. Huge crowd. It was fun! Strolled across to the east end and then we boarded a Metro bus and drove on the old bridge one very last final time. Sort of funny, because back in the day 520 was called "The New Bridge" because I-90 was the "Old Bridge". Toll on 520 used be 35 cents when 520 had a toll booth. I remember some sort of scandal of the toll collectors skimming the system and then being cold busted!

Posted March 28, 2020, by Robert Banel (bob [dot] banel [at] aol [dot] com)

On March 23, 2020 the Spokane Street (West SeattleHigh Rise Bridge) was closed indefinitely for repairs and traffic restrictions placed on the low level swing bridge limited to freight, emergency vehicles and city buses. Accelerating cracking near the center span of the high rise bridge is to blame and who knows when this bridge will open. I sure don't. I do recall about ten years ago an outbound derrick barge struck this area of bridge which was remarkable considering the 140' water clearance. For years afterward you could see the scrape marks the the tip of crane boom left behind on the concrete.

Also in some more weirdness, on March 8, 2005 a man drove his black Volkswagen Jetta westbound on the opened lower swing bridge around stopped traffic and through the barriers and face planted the car into the gravel below and died.

This bridge is the replacement for the bascule bridge rammed on June 11, 1978 by the freighter "Chavez" being piloted by Captain Rolf Neslund. In 1980 Rolf disappeared and in 1985 his wife stood trial for his murder. His body was never found.

In 1991 I attended the Grand Opening Ceremony of the new swing and drove our 1978 "Camel Hair Yellow" Chevy Impala across bridge with the wife and kidneys, I think I still have free poster they were handing out at the event. Hmmm..It might be out in the garage.

Posted March 28, 2020, by Robert Banel (bob [dot] banel [at] aol [dot] com)

The Renton Library reopened August 2015 after a $10.2 million renovation which included a seismic retrofit and replacement of windows with glass walls for better river views and natural light. It actually doesn't look half bad and at least it is still a library. Still though, I miss the old layout as it seems about two thirds of the books disappeared and were replaced by computers. In the words of Brophy from the movie High Anxiety, "Geez Boss! This place looks so modrren!".

Posted March 4, 2020, by Dorri Steinhoff (dorristeinhoff [at] icloud [dot] com)

There is an illustration and short mention of this bridge under construction in Harper's Weekly Feb 29, 1896 in an article entitled "How Long and Lofty Bridges are Built" by Frank W. Skinner, C.E.

Posted February 26, 2020, by Hans Breivik (hansb [at] quiggbros [dot] com)

The Hylebos Bridge (new) was refurbished by Quigg Bros. Inc., not General Construction

Posted February 17, 2020, by Anonymous

While this bridge may be significant for its location and its role in the dams etc.. design wise, YUCK! This is probably the most textbook example of a UCEB that I've ever seen, and it is definitely painful to look at (although in this case, I think it's technically a "USEB", or "Ugly Steel Eyesore Bridge", since the superstructure is a steel stringer bridge and only the piers are concrete).

Posted February 8, 2020, by Kathleen (katkach85 [at] gmail [dot] com)

My grandfather was the dining car Stewart on the Great Northern train when the corea avalanche hit. The slide was Jan. 22, 1916. That slide might have been close to Iron Goat Trail. Yes he lived through it.

Posted February 8, 2020, by Angela K (falpiqua [at] hotmail [dot] com)

I love the way Siege painted the light and let the bridge be the negative space.

Posted February 8, 2020, by Angela K (falpiqua [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Siege painted this bridge on a typical grey Seattle morning, I love the blackberries in the foreground. We see this view at least once a week. I should ask him to paint it on a sunny summer day.

Posted February 8, 2020, by Angela K (falpiqua [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Lately, the hubs has painted some trains, this one is on the Skykomish River Bridge, "Westbound."

Posted January 29, 2020, by George A Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

John,thanks for responding and letting me know your intentions toward certain bridges and whether to list them or not.

Posted January 29, 2020, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)


I assume you mean the trestle bridge to the north of the swing bridge? It is a separate bridge, listed as being a 6 span pile trestle, built 1953. I typically do not add trestles, as they are often common and more modern than their metal/concrete/stone counterparts.

Posted January 29, 2020, by George A Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

While looking at this bridge I noticed another abandoned railroad bridge.Is this other bridge I saw part of the swing bridge?

Posted January 29, 2020, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

This one appears to either be a former turntable or viaduct girder