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Posted June 17, 2019, by Dana and Kay Klein
Posted June 17, 2019, by Ed Hollowell (erhollowell [at] aol [dot] com)

Jeff-The Bridge is certainly older than I-65 as it has passages for pedestrians. The Interstate highway requirements were that pedestrians must be excluded so this was a leftover from an earlier road.

Posted June 17, 2019, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

Bridge moved down road to p.p. with UCEB now in its place, see notes in description and new photos

Posted June 17, 2019, by Yogi & BooBoo Bear (yogi [at] jellystone [dot] gov)

Always wear jangly bells and carry pepper spray in case of a bear encounter.

http://www.mvermeulen.com/dalton/big/overview_04.jpg

Posted June 16, 2019, by Everett Watterson (Evwatterson6 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Yes, the bridge was there when I visited yesterday, albeit with some minor sagging when heavy trucks crossed it.

Posted June 16, 2019, by George Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

That could be it.I do see gates on the bridge which could keep bears off of the bridge but I wouldn't want to tangle with a bear,especially when they're feeding on salmon!

Posted June 16, 2019, by George Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Thanks for posting this bridge Dana and Kay on this site.I will be keeping an eye on this bridge being that I do cross this bridge to go fishing at Blue Marsh lake.

Posted June 16, 2019, by Dana and Kay Klein

George This It?

Posted June 16, 2019, by CHAD ROBERSON (mrtazwrench [at] juno [dot] com)

I remember going over both bridges with my Dad in the 70's. As someone commented it appears to line up with CR30, which is correct that was the alignment of 61 before the modern 4 lane opened in about 1969, it followed CR30 north through Wabasha, and Dodge St. south through Kellogg. The Dead Pioneer site linked in another comment has some good info and pictures included.

Posted June 16, 2019, by CHAD ROBERSON (mrtazwrench [at] juno [dot] com)

I remember going over both bridges with my Dad in the 70's. As someone commented it appears to line up with CR30, which is correct that was the alignment of 61 before the modern 4 lane opened in about 1969, it followed CR30 north through Wabasha, and Dodge St. south through Kellogg.

Posted June 16, 2019, by CHAD ROBERSON (mrtazwrench [at] juno [dot] com)

This was removed later than 1969, I remember driving over it with my Dad sometime in the mid to late 70's, however the new 4 lane section of hwy 61 was opened in about 1969 bypassing this old section of highway.

Katmai National Park and Preserve Bridge aimed at limiting bear encounters
Posted June 16, 2019, by George Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Read in the local paper that a new elevated bridge and boardwalk that replaced a river-level bridge has been built spanning the Brooks River in Katmai National Park and Preserve in Alaska.The new bridge is 1,200 feet long and varies in height from 8 to 10 feet depending on topography and allowing bears to pass below.The bridge features bear-proof gates on both ends.This new bridge eliminates having park rangers closing the bridge when brown bears are on the bridge,especially during the salmon run.

Papermill Road Bridge over Cacoosing Creek,Spring/Heidelberg Townships Pa to be replaced
Posted June 16, 2019, by George Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Read an article in the local paper about this bridge which crosses over the Cacoosing Creek will be replaced within the next 3 months reopening on August 28.There has been a 22-ton weight limit on this bridge since 2013 due to road salt and other melting chemicals deteriorating the open steel-grate deck and support beams.The deck and beams will be removed and replaced.The new deck and beams will be coated in a material intended to combat salt corrosion.The stone bridge abutments will be refurbished due to floodwaters last summer scouring away the grout holding the stones in place.Detours will be in effect during construction.Since this is a township owned bridge PennDOT is not involved fundingwise,engineering or replacement.

Posted June 16, 2019, by Jeff Wieland (jjwieland [at] gmail [dot] com)

Trucks used to get stuck under this bridge, esp. before INDOT lowered the road to increase clearance.

I would have thought that this bridge was older than 1959, because of the Art Deco features.

Posted June 16, 2019, by Earl B Shelton (ebshelton [at] triad [dot] rr [dot] com)

I HAVE A LARGE FRAMED PICTURE OF TRAIN AND BRIDGE LIKE SHOWN ON THIS WEBSITE, IS THERE ANY VALUE TO IT? I HAVE HAD IT SINCE THE NINETEEN SIXTIES.

Gopher Hill
Posted June 16, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

Found It ! Will add to page

Posted June 16, 2019, by Daniel

Bridge History

The existing Snake Lake (Gopher Hill) bridge was built in 1938 was originally used as the Rock Creek bridge before being moved to its present location in the mid 70's after the Rock Creek bridge was replaced with present concrete structure.

Existing Bridge Information

Snake Lake Bridge over Spanish Creek is a single-lane, clear span steel pony truss with high abutment walls comprised of precast concrete panels with tieback anchors and was constructed in 1969.

that's what the replacement page states, interesting that they don't have an exact year for relocation.

Posted June 16, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Quite possibly a relocation date.

Posted June 16, 2019, by Daniel

I'll add that I was surprised to see that it was riveted. How many bridges were riveted that late?

Posted June 16, 2019, by Julie Bowers (jbowerz1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Working to correct the historic record with historian Jay Swofford before the nomination to the register. Perhaps the parts were crafted in 1869, I do not know, but I was told the bridge replaced the original trestle on the transcontinental line in 1882 and then disassembly began in 1896 for the move to Springfield in 1900.

Posted June 15, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

With the decent ratings and low ADT maybe they realized how stupid it would be to waste money to replace it!

wea creek
Posted June 15, 2019, by ............justsayin

cool far from common perhaps antepenultimate one of pair or unique...……….

Posted June 15, 2019, by Daniel

As of today the bridge is still there with no signs of construction etc. Not denying that it may be doomed.

Posted June 15, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

This bridge was lost in the flood of May 2011. I wanted a photo of it before Google Earth updates.

Posted June 15, 2019, by Art S. (asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

Clark,

I tend to agree with Tony. There are other bowstrings made by other builders and other bridges still standing by this builder. There are no other bowstrings presently identified by this builder.

Most, if not all, trusses still standing are unique. Last of its kind is vague. While there is a political motivation to list 'Last of its Kind' to aid in preservation, we should be careful how we use the category. For example, the fink truss. If you thought the Zoarville Station Bridge http://bridgehunter.com/oh/tuscarawas/zoarville-station/ was the last Fink truss still standing, you'd be wrong. You'd need to narrow it to the last Fink through truss still standing to be correct (as far as I know).

We may want to add a 'unique characteristics' or equivalent section for each bridge.

Regards,

Art S

Posted June 15, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Pic #1 shows the old concrete arch bridge that used to span Buck Creek on US36, it was replaced in 1987. This old plate girder span sits abandoned very close to the UCEB.

Posted June 15, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

"Kind" would refer to Bowstring, of which we do have other examples.

Perhaps we need a category titled "Last of it's type from a particular builder"

Posted June 15, 2019, by Maunsel White (maunsel [dot] white [at] mchsi [dot] com)

There was an identical bridge over the Bayou St. John East of this down the line.

Posted June 15, 2019, by Maunsel White (maunsel [dot] white [at] mchsi [dot] com)

The Yacht Club Bridge was not this one. It crossed the entrance to the Yacht Club Pen (harbor) that opened into the New Basin Canal and was on Pontchartrain Blvd. at the Southeast corner of West End Park. The boats had to go through this bridge in order to get in and out of the yacht harbor from the canal.

Posted June 15, 2019, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

Not the last of its kind? Tell us more!

Posted June 14, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

Thanks Tony ! I'm thrilled you have finally identified the Mystery Whipple postcard I have. I've wanted a photo of this bridge for a long time. Apparently I've had it...

Posted June 14, 2019, by Luke

Unfortunately I didn't get to clipping these before the free weekend ended, but the OCR text should do for those wanting to read before Melissa inevitably clips and posts:

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/543528452/

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/544144333/

tl;dr: Bridge was too heavy for the Chinook; Floodwaters destroyed bridge before another attempt could've been made at relocation.

Posted June 14, 2019, by Daniel

https://www.google.com/maps/place/29%C2%B055'45.0%22N+96%C2%...

looks like the bridge was closed to traffic in December 2017, no clue if that's still the case or if they reopened it.

Posted June 14, 2019, by Don

Possibly it is a beam bridge with prestressing tendons on the underside of the beams.

Posted June 13, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

I avoid looking at these beautiful cantilevers much anymore because it feels as if they are all potentially doomed!

This one is indeed a favorite of mine as well!

Posted June 13, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Yes Will, it did!

Before Jim acquired it I had found it stored outside, and uncovered, at a location in Greenfield. This is the best possible outcome from what could have been a complete loss! Shelby County officials were crazy for wanting the bridge removed from the fairgrounds for liability reasons. The last time I saw it at that location it had locking doors on it and the inside couldn't be accessed. I think about the nice park they have nearby and what a great addition it could have been if relocated there. Instead it was sold (maybe even given) to someone who didn't have the ability to restore it the way it should have been. The end result is this awesome bridge that is mostly new but contains some remnants of the original.

Jim Barker is to be commended for his vision and not giving up on this project!

Posted June 13, 2019, by Jai B. Kim (jaikim [at] bucknell [dot] edu)

:

Rehabilitation of Railroad Truss Bridge, St. Regis, Montana ( formerly Burlington Northern )

Stiffened truss by the arch-reinforced method ( U S Patent No,

4,691, 399.) with no interruption of train traffic

for Cooper's E-80 Live Loading.

Attachment #1 (application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document; 10,207 bytes)

Posted June 13, 2019, by Will Truax (Bridgewright [at] gmail [dot] com)

I saw it when it was in storage, (we stowed the parts of the east span of the Bell Ford across the aisle) if memory serves it wasn't stacked all that well but it was certainly in the dry there in the Turkey Barn.

Any loss to rot would've had to have happened before it was dismantled and put into storage.

Forum kind of dull
Posted June 13, 2019, by ............justsayin

Hey somebody smack some one around will ya?

Bridge (Indiana)
Posted June 13, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Another one of my oopsies...

Posted June 13, 2019, by Abandoned Iowa (Nicholsonms1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Attached you will find photos of the bridge and the significant erosion of the portal. Too bad its been undercut by flood waters- wonderful bridge.

Posted June 13, 2019, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

The videotape "Gertie Gallops Again," prepared by Tacoma Municipal Television for the show "CityScape," includes underwater filming of the present remains. It's in libraries.

Posted June 12, 2019, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Discovered that this bridge was a classic Penn Bridge Company Whipple... sad it was destroyed by a drunk.

https://pbase.com/photos_by_moon/tollbridgebell

Posted June 12, 2019, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Daniel, I am not sure this particular bridge is truly a kingpost, but it is possible for a kingpost style truss to be configured as a deck truss. Scroll down on my page and view approach span for this bridge: https://historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowser=t...

Replacement of Althouse Mill Bridge over Antietam Creek,Exeter Township,Pa.
Posted June 12, 2019, by George Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Preliminary plans were presented Monday to the Exeter Township supervisors by a PennDOT representative who is also an engineer for the replacement and widening of the Althouse Mill Bridge,which carries Gibraltar Road over Antietam Creek to the intersection with Shelbourne Road.Berks County owns this bridge and in September informed Exeter Township PennDOT would be making and funding the improvements.Exeter will assume ownership,maintenance and any associated costs once the project is finished sometime in 2021.PennDOT would be responsible for any defects related to the reconstruction.The bridge plans call,in part,for widening the span to add a left-turn lane onto Shelbourne Road.The new bridge would include three 11-foot lanes and two 5-foot shoulders.The existing sidewalk would be moved from the bridge's southern to northern sides and that the intersection would be adjusted to create an easier travel path for vehicles coming over from Pennsylvania Avenue.Traffic signals will be installed at the intersection and curb ramps will be updated for pedestrians.Detours will be in effect during construction.Preliminary plans will be proceeding into final design shortly.Construction is planned for summer 2021.

Posted June 12, 2019, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Roger,

This is one of my favorite bridges too, for the same reason: its vivid and honest display of engineering. Sadly, I also learned today this bridge is in Section 106 Review and documents presented to date indicate strong leaning toward demolition and replacement. Among the deficiencies cited perhaps the most hopeless is that apparently it is considered a hazard to navigation (boats) and when the coast guard makes such condemnations the future is usually very bleak.

Posted June 12, 2019, by Roger Deschner (rogerdeschner [at] gmail [dot] com)

WI 82 has been reopened across the bottomlands approaching this bridge from the east, per https://511wi.gov/

The Black Hawk Bridge is one of my favorites, especially among Mississippi River spans. Up there with the Eads, Dubuque, both Huey Longs, and the sadly lost Savanna-Sabula bridges. How does a cantilever bridge work? Just look at the Black Hawk Bridge - it's quite obvious.

Posted June 12, 2019, by Luke

Unfortunately that doesn't appear to be the case.

http://www.biggscardosa.com/home/index.php/projects/transpor...

Posted June 12, 2019, by Daniel

I don't recall having heard anything else with the post going down referred to as a kingpost

Posted June 12, 2019, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

My guess is that they listed the bridge as Imminent Failure in all categories as a default, so that they didn't have to bother with changing the rating later... the bridge was closed permanently to traffic anway so they just picked the lowest possible rating short of failed.

Posted June 12, 2019, by Erik Hoffman (norcalroadswebsite [at] gmail [dot] com)

Okay, I see now. Sorry, I scrolled through too fast and thought the pictures of the approaches were main spans.

Posted June 11, 2019, by Erik Hoffman (norcalroadswebsite [at] gmail [dot] com)

The bridge still exists and the demolition project page has been taken down, so I'm hoping perhaps that project has been dropped.

Posted June 11, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

I believe Jim Barker said about 15 pieces... 10%

Unfortunately poor storage of the original timbers resulted in a lot of rotting wood!

Imminent Failure 3 of 3
Posted June 11, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)
Penn Street Bridge (Pennsylvania)
Posted June 11, 2019, by George Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

I read an article in the local paper that a coffer dam which was built under the bridge while reconstruction of the bridge is going on is contributing to bank erosion on the Reading side of the river.Record rainfall is helping also with the erosion being that the water is being pushed toward the bank of the river from the coffer dam which is across 2/3 of the river under the bridge.Luckily the gas and water lines were moved.

Posted June 11, 2019, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Well then, I'll make this #2 - Mead Road, in Michigan, which has (ostensibly) had that status since 2010: http://bridgehunter.com/mi/clinton/19306H00008B010/

The reason I say it has ostensibly had that status since then is because it was de-listed entirely in either 2011 or 2012. ('12 for sure.)

Posted June 11, 2019, by George Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

A proposed ordinance designating travel on Fenstermaker Road Bridge as 1 lane of travel and designating 30 feet west of the bridge located to the west of the intersection of Fenstermaker Road and Mill Creek Road as a stop location and authorizing posting of signs designating said intersections as stop intersections and providing fines and penalties for violations.This ordinance will be considered on Wednesday,June 12,2019 at 7:30 p.m.If and when the ordinance is passed i'll post it here.

Posted June 11, 2019, by Daniel

Guardrail support makes sense, although I'm surprised they didn't use the diagonal nearby instead (or maybe they used both).

I wasn't sure what would explain the change from a member that could take compression, some bending, and tension to a tension only member, in the middle of the member. I guess something else (the guardrail) attaching there is about the only option.

Posted June 11, 2019, by Matt Lohry

It’s definitely a good question— vertical members in a Pratt configuration (or most other configurations for that matter) are normally in compression, which eyebars are definitely not designed for...

Posted June 11, 2019, by Mike Daffron (daffmikron [at] gmail [dot] com)

I can't find any info on how much of the original was used. For what it is worth, It looks new, smells new and is as solid as rock. 10 ton weight limit. Whatever, it is sharp.

Posted June 11, 2019, by Mike Daffron (daffmikron [at] gmail [dot] com)

I can't find any info on how much of the original was used. For what it is worth, It looks new, smells new and is as solid as rock. 10 ton weight limit. Whatever, it is sharp.

Posted June 11, 2019, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Daniel: The member in question is the hip vertical. As such an eyebar is sufficient to handle the tension forces at this location. However they still needed to use a built-up beam with lacing at the bottom to provide a solid post upon which to mount the bridge railing (which no longer exists on the bridge).

Posted June 11, 2019, by Daniel

Ed, the article Mike posted states that it "reused many pieces from the original structure".

What qualifies as "many"? I don't know. Many of the timbers appear new but some could be original. Picture 15 shows some diagonals that appear to be new wood, closer to the end, while closer to the center they appear to be older. 14 shows a diagonal with one fresh side and other older sides, so it may have been a larger member somewhere else that was reused there.

Posted June 11, 2019, by Daniel

Can anyone explain why there's a short vertical laced member with a pair of eyebars attached to it, rather than eyebars the full height? 3rd pic.

Posted June 11, 2019, by Daniel

Wow, I don't recall having seen any other bridges where all 3 are "imminent failure"

Posted June 11, 2019, by Daniel

I agree. Photos also show that at least one end has a straight road for a significant distance, which isn't the case at this location.

Posted June 10, 2019, by Ed Hollowell (erhollowell [at] aol [dot] com)

So I have read and searched but not found if any part of this bridge is original. Is there anything of the old bridge in this one?

Posted June 10, 2019, by Mike Daffron (daffmikron [at] gmail [dot] com)

Bloomington Herald-Times June10,2019

County Is Once Again Home To A Covered Bridge

by Ernest Rollins (the Herald-Times)

Monroe County is once again home to a covered bridge--after being without one for more than four decades.

Contractors completed work on the Cedar Ford Covered Bridge a few weeks ago. The bridge spans Beanblossom Creek in Washington Township and connects North and Old Maple Grive roads in the area.

Officials and the public gathered at the bridge on Sunday to celebrate the return of a covered bridge to Monroe County. Monroe County Commisioner Julie Thomas said while the community was once home to several covered bridges, they were lost over time.

"This is a great day'" Thomas said as she stood in front of the Cedar Ford Covered Bridge.

Thomas said it has been 134 years since the original Cedar Ford bridge was built by the Kennedy Brothers in 1885. Originally built in Shelby County over the Little Blue River, the Cedar Ford Bridge is a 127-foot long Burr Arch truss.

Thomas said the bridge remained in place there for nine decades before it was dismantled and stored. Jim Barker, a Historical Bridge Specialist with VS Engineering, said a member of the Indiana Covered Bridge Society pointed out to him that the disassembled Cedar Ford Bridge had been stored poorly and as a result, the pieces had started to break down.

"In short, it was headed for the trash heap," Barker said.

To preserve the historic structure, Barker purchased the bridge remains and began conversations with Monroe County about possibly reconstructing the bridge in a new location.

Thomas said while many county officials played a part in getting the Cedar Ford bridge to Monroe County, she highlighted specifically the efforts of former county Commissioner John Irvine. She said after the last remaining covered bridge in the county no longer existed, Irvine spearheaded the search for a new bridge. She said his persistence paid off when he found the Cedar Ford bridge.

Thomas said the next step was funding. Fortunately, the county was able to secure federal dollars from the Federal Highway Administration's National Historic Covered Bridge Preservation Program, which it combined with local money to preserve and reconstruct the Cedar Ford bridge. The project took 19 years to come to fruition and the final cost was around $1.6 million.

"A project like this requires tenacity," Thomas said.

The reconstructed Cedar Ford Covered Bridge, which reused many pieces from the original structure, is located 200 feet east of where another covered bridge once stood. According to information from the highway department' office, the Smith Bridge Co. built a covered bridge in the area in 1871.

Jeremy Boshears, a local bridge historian, said the bridge was originally named "Milikan Bridge" but the name was later changed to "McMillan Bridge." In later years, local residents also called the structure the "Williams Bridge". That bridge was a Smith Truss and was 125-feet long and cost $2,646.80 to build.

Monroe County Council member Cheryl Munson, who used the former Williams Bridge, said it was restored in 1970 after 99 years of use. But on June 29, 1976 the bridge was destroyed by arson and never replaced.

Munson said the story goes that two young men oured gas on the floor boards of the bridge, set it aflame and watched their work from the side while drinking beer. She said Bill and Mary Oliver offered a $500 reward at the time for the capture of the culprits. Munson said the mlocal wine company had used the bridge to access their vinyards across the creek. The two young men were eventually caught and convicted, she added.

Munson said having a covered bridge in this area of the community had been an important resource for those who live nearby. She said many used the original bridge and will use the reconstructed bridge nas an important connection to the northwest portion of the county.

However, Boshears said covered bridges were more than just a way to cross a creek or a river. He Said they were also a place for travelers and livestock to take shelter from the rain and a place to gather, go fishing or swimming. In addition, residents hung signs inside the bridges, advertising everything from a local service to finding a lost dog.

"It was the virtual bulletin board of the community," Boshears said.

Contact Ernest Rollins at 812-331-4357, erollins@hearldt.com or @fromernestdesk.

Posted June 10, 2019, by Valerie Bookout (vkbookout [at] yahoo [dot] com)

I found a postcard in my grandmother's photos showing a bridge like this being built at Simmesport in 1937. She wrote on the back that my grandfather, Bill Icenberger was the carpenter foreman (for the concrete forms). Is there an auto bridge and a railroad bridge at Simmesport?

Hayden Commentary
Posted June 10, 2019, by just sayin

Perhaps removing the common denominator in the vast majority of these squabbles in the forum is the answer?

Posted June 9, 2019, by Charlotte Knight Watkins (charwatkin [at] ickoud [dot] com)

Yesterday, I was given this snapshot of this bridge.

My Grandfather was Captain Luck Knight but he also went by Grover Clyde or G.C. Knight. He was the Contractor who built this bridge.

We’ve had Bridge pictures throughout the years / this was the first to have so many details written on the back in his handwriting. To have the Date & location AND to be able to find that the Bridge is STILL here, is absolutely amazing. Now, that we’ve found this info, we’re going to see if there is anything through the Engineering / Recorders that may have Contract info.

Cap or “G.C.” became a traveling Salesman & died in Big Springs, Texas less than 8 years after the Bridge was complete. He was only 46. Even his kids are all gone now. Boy, would they be excited to see this!

Posted June 9, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

We have our answer !

Posted June 9, 2019, by James Horn (horn805 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Mike, judging by the third picture, after the truck did it's damage to the bridge, I believe it was repaired and re-opened. When I was a child, I recall asking my late father about the bridge, as he used to take his rail-buggy through the creek when it would dry out, and I remember him saying something about the bridge being replaced sometime in the late 60's.

Posted June 9, 2019, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Yeah, that threw me off at first - trying to find that exact name on the map and in the NBI yielded nothing, so I had to follow the creek northward on the map.

I do still kind of wonder about the apparent 11-year difference between this bridge's floor collapse and the building of the current Dillinger Road bridge - is the latter a typo, where it should be listed as 1958 instead of 1968, or is 1968 correct?

Posted June 9, 2019, by James Horn (horn805 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Melissa, I noticed that as well, which is what made me so apprehensive to comment, but after searching, and searching, I just knew that this had to be the bridge. I've known about this bridge for as long as I can remember. The view used to be a lot less obstructed, but I would always make it a point to look for the bridge every time we passed. I've just recently gotten into local exploration, and it, and this website in particular, have been truly amazing. Curiosity definitely got the better of me with this bridge.

Posted June 9, 2019, by Charlotte Knight Watkins (charwatkin [at] ickoud [dot] com)

Yesterday, I was given this snapshot of this bridge.

My Grandfather was Captain Luck Knight but he also went by Grover Clyde or G.C. Knight. He was the Contractor who built this bridge.

We’ve had Bridge pictures throughout the years / this was the first to have so many details written on the back in his handwriting. To have the Date & location AND to be able to find that the Bridge is STILL here, is absolutely amazing. Now, that we’ve found this info, we’re going to see if there is anything through the Engineering / Recorders that may have Contract info.

Cap or “G.C.” became a traveling Salesman & died in Big Springs, Texas less than 8 years after the Bridge was complete. He was only 46. Even his kids are all gone now. Boy, would they be excited to see this!

Posted June 9, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

I Finally noticed the articles say "Crab Orchard Hill Road"

Posted June 9, 2019, by George Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

You're very welcome,Dana.I plan on being on the road pretty much this summer so wherever i'm at if I see a bridge that's not on here i'll post the information on where it's located and we'll take it from there.Also I will be in different counties also.

Hayden commentary
Posted June 9, 2019, by Julie Bowers (jbowerz1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

I say leave them where it occurred so one sees how it goes down. But please let me fix the phone typos later. ..... The folks that know the Hayden Bridge know the issues. Theft, liability, and truth deserve a forum. I'm two days into the road trip back from finishing the punch list, as we add more land in our gift back to parks for Springfield and Lane County. The fundraising and bridge work complete.

It gets mean here sometimes and while there are some commonalities, it is not up to me to comment on those. untrue comments have to be addressed.

You won't get me to leave, I wont become anonymous, like so many have. Just sayin' there sure are a lot of other groups springing up but bridgehunter and historic bridges give our team the info needed and where we do initial research.

You may have noticed we don't post here or anywhere til we are done with a project so some have to follow those pages to glean moments. Posting here from Facebook seems wrong but all this social media is beyond me.

As far as those allegations, all proved wrong.

Posted June 9, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

James Horn, I'd Love to see photos of it ! I live up in White County. I don't get out to field visit bridges as often as I'd like to.

Posted June 9, 2019, by James Baughn (webmaster [at] bridgehunter [dot] com)

Property ownership info for Jackson County, IL, is available at this website:

http://jackson.il.bhamaps.com/

Posted June 9, 2019, by James Horn (horn805 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Thank y’all for the responses! The picture isn’t the best, but here’s a view of the former bridge from the current bridge. As someone pointed out, I’m almost positive that this is on private property, but I used to live just up the way, so I plan on finding out exactly who owns the property to see if I can get any closer. If not, I’ll head out that way Tuesday with my zoom lens.

Posted June 9, 2019, by Geoff Hubbs (geoffrey [dot] hubbs [at] att [dot] net)

Mike, Of the photos you posted, No. 8-19 don't look like the same bridge and I believe they are of the downstream Union Pacific bridge. The rectangular covers at the top of the towers are the main giveaway.

HAFTSAH
Posted June 9, 2019, by just saying

HAFSTAH

Begins with and ends with?

Hafsta
Posted June 9, 2019, by just sayin...............

Flaming dumpster bridge squabbling donkey eared strict constructionist hooey spouting prima donna drivel….

Half Star

JAMES

5 and a half stars

Posted June 9, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

Thank you to Everyone!

Bridge comment
Posted June 9, 2019, by Luke

The comments are still on the record, just not associated with the page.

I believe that counts as a win for both groups.

Posted June 9, 2019, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

I set the pin based on the 1936 map.

There was also an Illinois Central crossing to the north of the current bridge.

Re: Using the forum
Posted June 9, 2019, by James Baughn (webmaster [at] bridgehunter [dot] com)

I've removed the recent comments from the Hayden Bridge page but left them on the Forum page.

Posted June 9, 2019, by James Baughn (webmaster [at] bridgehunter [dot] com)

I think we have a winner. Looking at the Herrin quadrangle maps from 1910 and 1936, there was only one bridge across Crab Orchard Creek that could be described as 3.5 miles northeast of Carbondale, and it's the location next to modern-day Dillinger Road.

Posted June 9, 2019, by WMD

The design of the bridge was a Continuous Warren Through Truss. It wasn't cantilevered.

Posted June 9, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

Mike, I appreciate your assistance. I wonder if there are remnants of This bridge or a later one ?

Posted June 9, 2019, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

I gather this is where James is referring to: https://www.google.com/maps/place/37%C2%B046'18.6%22N+89%C2%...

Quite a bit of guesswork to stumble onto this point - starting with ILL-13 over the creek (closest obvious point given the location info), follow the creek north, it turns into the Big Muddy River on the map, and eventually that hits Dillinger. More guesswork reveals that Dillinger Road is CH 11, which has only one NBI listing. Build year for that is 1968 - eleven years after this?

Not sure that would add up to whatever shows there on satellite being ruins of THIS bridge, but whatever is there may be worth investigating. One caveat to that though: Looks like there are someones who live right there.

Posted June 8, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

James, I'm not sure. I was unfamiliar with the area and unable to map it.

Posted June 8, 2019, by James Horn (horn805 [at] gmail [dot] com)

As your coming down Dillinger Road, from Reed Station Road, you’ll go down the hill and hit the bridge; now to your left, there is an older bridge, maybe 45-50 yards back, is this that same bridge?

1st Amendment.
Posted June 8, 2019, by Anonymous

The first amendment protects you from Criminal prosecution for expressing an opinion. It does not prevent a webmaster from removing comments that do not meet his or her standards.

I'm in favor of getting rid of the flame War comments from yesteryear.

I-35 Viaduct (Missouri)
Posted June 8, 2019, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

It's a real treat to see the old cars and skyline again. The area still looks about the same except for I-35 merging in from the southwest.

Posted June 8, 2019, by Joel Wyman (ponchoman49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

This bridge no longer exists as of 2019. Not sure why it was removed with little other than some rotted planks.

My you have big ears...............
Posted June 8, 2019, by just saying.

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