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Posted October 14, 2019, by Art S. (asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

That'll buff right out...

Interestingly, it hasn't been salvaged.

Any idea as to the builder and if the '06 and '12 dates are reliable?

Regards,

Art S.

Posted October 13, 2019, by Luke

Image here: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/526521687/

Builder source is the same article for the Wakefield bridge lost in the 1935 Flood.

Posted October 13, 2019, by Luke

Builder appears in article here: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/12643654/

Posted October 13, 2019, by Luke

Found an article with builders for this one: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/486811626/

Posted October 13, 2019, by Luke

This popped up in my search for info on these bridges. https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/383827225/

Posted October 13, 2019, by Luke

Amendment to the previous comment: The bridge was likely built post 1935, as this still from a USGS report about a flood shows a two span Pratt:

Posted October 13, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Thank you guys! I told Melissa something looked off and I was actually trying to find one of those to compare with. Not a type I am very familiar with for sure!!

Posted October 13, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

Oh I love the thought of it being inundated but I believe it was removed.

Posted October 13, 2019, by Anonymous

Okay, I guess the article mentioned that the bridge would be removed. Too bad. There are only two Kansas cantilevers left to the best of my knowledge. One in Kansas, and one in Nebraska.

Posted October 13, 2019, by Anonymous

The Republican River is large enough here that a Kansas cantilever would make sense. there used to be one a little farther downstream near Junction City. I drove across it a few times in the late 90s before it was replaced.

Posted October 13, 2019, by Luke

I concur that that's a Kansas Kantilever.

Posted October 13, 2019, by Anonymous

I suspect that this might have been a Kansas cantilever. there is even a remote chance that it might still be extant under the water.

Posted October 13, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

Thank you !

Posted October 13, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

Y'all having fun without me ??? In all seriousness, I could not find an article to add 🙁

Posted October 13, 2019, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Per field visit this bridge (closely inspected) and the other two NTZR bridges shown on this website (photographed at a distance) all have been altered as part of a repair project. Vertical members replaced with rolled beams, bottom chords replaced with bolted replacement, misc rivets replaced with bolts, misc. plated repairs, etc.

Posted October 13, 2019, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Might not have to. The "View this photo" link tells the story:

"The Posey Creek bridge on Yale Avenue carried its last vehicle in the fall of 1981, as an earthmover crossed the bridge and caused it to collapse. By July 1982, the steel truss had been removed, but the concrete from the bridge deck had fallen into the creek and formed a small low-water dam. Several trees were removed on the east side of Yale Avenue to allow access for removing the steel truss. Photograph taken January 1, 1982."

I can only assume the earthmover was well over the weight limit?

Posted October 13, 2019, by Luke

Fixed the GPS. Tony fixed the truss type. Melissa will find contemporary news articles on the collapse in 3... 2... 1...

Posted October 13, 2019, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Luke... Exactly what I was hoping for when I drove to this bridge. A very sad loss!

Posted October 13, 2019, by Austin Hellwig (the_hellwigfamily [at] att [dot] net)

You need to update the location map, as it shows the bridge on Kimberly Clark Place (the new roadway built from S.H. 67 to 131st Street when the Kimberly-Clark Plant opened). That roadway did not exist when this photo was taken. This bridge was located on Yale Avenue at Posey Creek.

Posted October 13, 2019, by Kerry (Kerry [dot] holloman [at] gmail [dot] com )

Pronounced "sly." Named after Winfield Scott Schley from the Spanish American War. Lived here my entire life!

Posted October 13, 2019, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

I drove over this bridge last year. People are not kidding when they talk about this bridge having steep approaches. Going over this bridge is quite a ride!

There is a bypass loop around the city, and it avoids this bridge.

Posted October 13, 2019, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Thanks for the kind words! It helps that todays long gone finds are in an area I visited recently

Posted October 13, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

JM... You are the RR man and I always appreciate your help!

Posted October 13, 2019, by Tom Hoffman

The rails on this stone arch have been greatly restored instead of replaced by guardrail(except for one concrete spot). I don't think I've seen something like this done on a stone arch. Too many Decatur County stone arches have been horribly altered to a UCEB top. It makes me wonder who the county had fix the rails, and this person/company should do it to many more.

Posted October 13, 2019, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

No problem! I'll keep adding any info I can find on your railroad entries.

Posted October 13, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

John, I appreciate it very much. Thank you!

Posted October 13, 2019, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Melissa, I added the railroad information and some general design info.

Posted October 13, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

I would appreciate any and all help from the Railroad fans

Posted October 13, 2019, by Luke

And here we were all hoping for another "Amanda" situation.

Posted October 13, 2019, by Doug Law (lawd1968 [at] gmail [dot] coim)

Some drone pics of this bridge

Posted October 13, 2019, by Nathan Holth

Its no joking matter this bridge really is gone.

Posted October 12, 2019, by Dana and Kay Klein

George don't see truss bridge from article today

Posted October 12, 2019, by Tim (springfieldbridges [at] gmail [dot] com)

Here is a photo looking northbound along the Wabash line.

Posted October 12, 2019, by Tim (springfieldbridges [at] gmail [dot] com)

nice photo by Michael C Kelly from 1964 taken from this bridge site of the northbound Wabash train below!

Posted October 12, 2019, by Tim (springfieldbridges [at] gmail [dot] com)

Original 85'-10" truss replaced by steel thru plate girder bridge.

Posted October 12, 2019, by Tim (springfieldbridges [at] gmail [dot] com)

nice photo! this looked familiar I see this is west of Bement with the Wabash line turning north!

Posted October 12, 2019, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Indeed, and unless I'm mis-interpreting the StreetView, it's not even that recent a removal. Looks like even by 2008 (the oldest view available), it was gone.

Posted October 11, 2019, by Jeff Wieland (jjwieland [at] gmail [dot] com)

According to imagery on Google maps, this no longer exists.

Posted October 11, 2019, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

My nomination for comment of the year:

"This bridge has taken more hits than Snoop dog"

Posted October 11, 2019, by Julie Bowers (jbowerz1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Couldn't load images but you can find them here for the lift of the trusses.

https://www.facebook.com/WattsMillBridge/videos/215584096137...

Posted October 11, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

Thanks Luke !

Shoemakersville,Pa bridge replaced
Posted October 11, 2019, by George A Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

I just read in todays local paper that a truss bridge over the Schuylkill River on Miller Street in Shoemakersville Pa has been demolished and replaced.The 78 year old truss bridge was replaced with a 34-foot-wide and 268-foot-long concrete bridge.The project also included drainage,curb and sidewalk repair and constructing accessibility ramps.Total cost was $3.68. million.

Posted October 11, 2019, by Lyon_Wonder (lyon_wonder [at] yahoo [dot] com)
Posted October 11, 2019, by George A Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Dana and Kay,I don't remember this bridge being in bad shape when I drove over it before it was replaced.Then and again I never really noticed.

Posted October 11, 2019, by George A Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Dana and Kay,I worked at Accupac.That's where I met my sons mother.Anyway,when I worked there and travelled on route 63 it was originally Also called Mainland Road where Wampole Road originally deadended.I don't know when it was reconfigured but I know this bridge was not there before 2012.

Posted October 11, 2019, by George A Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Dana and Kay,I used to travel over this bridge going to Skippack Creek fishing along with travelling to other fishing holes.This bridge isn't getting replaced,is it?

Posted October 11, 2019, by KCanon (Chasesuki17 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Kudos to the builder. This bridge has taken more hits than Snoop dog

Posted October 11, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

It is so good to see this beauty making a comeback! I talked to the Boone County Engineer about installing off-structure headache bars on this and the Creek Road Bridge. He did inform me that even when complete, this bridge will remain closed until a nearby development is completed.

Posted October 11, 2019, by Jim Grey (mobilene [at] gmail [dot] com)

Here's a photo of the work in progress, courtesy Mark Finch.

Posted October 11, 2019, by Luke

From Wikipedia:

"Phoenix Iron Works (1855: Phoenix Iron Company; 1949: Phoenix Iron & Steel Company; 1955: Phoenix Steel Corporation)."

From https://www.hspa-pa.org/phoenix_bridge.html :

"The Phoenix Bridge Co. was organized in 1864 as a division of the booming Phoenix Iron Company."

Posted October 10, 2019, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Just a fast check of those three reveals that both Phoenix Bridge Co. and Phoenix Iron Works are said to originate from Phoenixville, PA.

(Click on the category in the search list and the result page will say [such-and-such company] of Phoenixville, Pennsylvania.)

That, in turn, is just 28 miles northwest of Philadelphia (per Wiki), where Phoenix Iron Co. is said to originate from.

Hence, my bet would be they're all related somehow.

Posted October 10, 2019, by Daniel

I thought that was likely, just had no clue where.

The 3 other Phoenix Column bridges that I've been to in NorCal are reasonably well documented as to origins. They're all very similar - one less original than the other 2, but I believe parts from the same multi-span bridge. This one I see nothing more than speculation of somewhere.

Also: this bridge is MUCH larger than I had thought: I'd looked at the pictures and thought it was a similar scale to the other 3. In reality, it's significantly wider and much deeper, as well as somewhat longer.

Related: there are 3 different Phoenix companies listed as categories. I'm not sure whether that's different iterations or what exactly. I'd have expected it to all be the same. I just got a copy of the book about Phoenix but haven't really gone through it yet.

Posted October 10, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Daniel, I believe there has been conversations on here in the past about some older spans like this being purchased and moved from the East. Not sure if that's the case here or not.

Posted October 10, 2019, by Daniel

Is there any info on where this bridge was originally built? It seems unlikely that a bridge of this caliber was originally constructed in this remote of an area, especially somewhere that wasn't a rail line (although it isn't all that far from one, I don't believe one ran here).

Movable Bridge troubleshooting info
Posted October 10, 2019, by GS

Check out the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA). They issued a BRIDGE INSPECTOR'S TRAINING MANUAL which covers all kinds of structures. It had a very detailed 37 page section on movable bridges.

Posted October 10, 2019, by Joy Curtis (jomousie [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Please replace this bridge!! It is 100 years old and in need of replacement. The Red River Boat Dock is now open and people with boats and campers are traveling this bridge and it's only allowed 9 Ton Limit. This is not good for those living in this area if they need first responders - Fire apparatus, etc.

In my own personal situation, we are wanting to build a house on Red River Road just past this bridge and all the heavy equipment needed probably won't be able to cross this bridge.

Please take into consideration the bridge collapses in the United States in the last few years. This bridge is too old to continue having heavy daily traffic on it.

Thank you.

RE: Movable bridge trouble shooting guide
Posted October 10, 2019, by Mike Goff (michael [dot] goff [at] hotmail [dot] com)

This is a bizarre request for the bridgehunter forum, but if you have questions about a movable bridge I have a few ideas for contacts.

I would start with your state department of transportation, they likely have someone on staff that knows how movable bridges work and should be able to work with local stakeholders regarding a bridge.

The second place I would try is another municipality or company that owns a movable bridge.

These structures are typically very unique and always have their own quirks and kinks.

Posted October 10, 2019, by Art S. (asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

There's and old saying about 'swords onto plowshares' or about old ships being turned into razorblades or old planes being turned into beer/soda cans. Well, this bridge actually was turned into matchsticks! It was burned - a tiny piece at a time :^)

Regards,

Art S.

Posted October 10, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

Luke, thank you ! I appreciate the acknowledgement.

Posted October 9, 2019, by Luke

Melissa, along with Nick Schmiedeler, Geoff Hubbs, and David Jones, have been some of the greatest "new contributors" the site has gotten in recent years.

Bravo to you all.

Posted October 9, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

Tony, thank you ! We're a Great Team !

Posted October 9, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

I was helping Melissa with some bridges in Nebraska and lo and behold if she doesn't find one that escaped demolition and is still standing! It was exciting to help her verify and add this one!

Great job my friend!!

Posted October 9, 2019, by Crystal (alluneedislove87 [at] gmail [dot] com)

GREAT pictures!! My goodness! Although, this makes me want to go "exploring" again!

I had no idea that the parking lot of Leon's Diner -(cant remember, I think that is Logan's Appliance in the photo?) is where that bridge ultimately led to!

Thank you ALL for your part in helping keep Danville's beautiful, wholesome, rich history "alive"; at least documented fantastically.

I like to think there are still others (hopefully, of all ages - I'm in my early 30's) out there like me who just "eat" stuff like this UP.

Posted October 9, 2019, by David Backlin (us71 [at] cox [dot] net)
Hobucken Bridge (North Carolina)
Posted October 9, 2019, by April Barnett Smith (jesus_loves_you16 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

My grandfather Wade Barnett operated that bridge. Not sure the exact years, but for sure in the early 1970s.

Posted October 9, 2019, by Geoff Hubbs (geoffrey [dot] hubbs [at] att [dot] net)

BH Photo #240304 is of the parallel former CNJ RR bridge still in use by Norfolk Southern

Posted October 9, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

I like these concrete fence railings. This one definitely needs some repairs but could be made to look really nice again!

Posted October 9, 2019, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

This bridge is possibly eligible for the NRHP. It is a good example of an early 1920s concrete bridge. The NBI calls it a slab, but I suspect that it might be a tee-beam.

Posted October 9, 2019, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

This bridge is still open to traffic, but there is a bypass in place for wide vehicles.

Posted October 9, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

Nick, please tell me you bought the commemorative plate.

RE: Movable bridge trouble shooting guide
Posted October 9, 2019, by Art S. (asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

Mickey,

There is stuff out there but no ‘one size fits all’ type. Much like a Chilton’s manual for a 2000 Toyota won’t work well in fixing a 1955 Mack truck.

Give us some info and we may be able to point you in the right direction. Or, continuing with the car analogy, suggest a ‘mechanic’.

Sincerely,

Art S.

Posted October 8, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

There is a nice big park in Beatrice that borders the Big Blue... Would be a perfect spot to relocate this beauty!

Posted October 8, 2019, by George A Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Dana and Kay,thanks for finding this bridge.I've been in Evansburg State Park but not where this bridge is.I'll have to check on this bridge when I am in the area,maybe when fishing later this year.

Posted October 8, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

Tony, as always, you're welcome.

Posted October 8, 2019, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

That is so sad this never turned into anything. They had the right idea, a bowstring tour is better than any covered bridge tour. If they had preserved this bowstring I would have visited Nebraska by now for sure. But its not worth driving all the way out there now on the chance that local landowners arent allowing access.

Posted October 8, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Thank you for "digging" into this one Melissa!

Although it's good to know that locally they do deem it to be historic, it's frustrating that they haven't taken further steps to preserve this rare bridge.

moveable bridge troubleshooting guide
Posted October 8, 2019, by Michael Rooney (mickey [at] mrooney [dot] biz)

Hello,

does anyone know of a existing flowchart /diagram for troubleshooting a bridge?

Best,

Posted October 8, 2019, by Dana and Kay Klein

George, sat view looks like replaced with a footbridge?

Posted October 8, 2019, by Barry (bllauver33 [at] gmail [dot] com )

In 1912 Champ Clark was on his way to becoming the Democratic nominee for president at the Convention being held in Baltimore Maryland. The Eastern newspapers went against him, specifically the Baltimore Sun. The nominee was eventually Woodrow Wilson. And the rest, as they say, is history. I'm glad he had a bridge named for him, he sounds as if he was a very colorful character. who

skip creek
Posted October 8, 2019, by Dana and Kay Klein

George was an old 1923 t beam on Fretz Road

Posted October 8, 2019, by Philip Walker (pcwalker [dot] tx [at] gmail [dot] com)

This is one tough bridge. I've been on it on the train and walked under it many times. There's old photos shortly after construction of US 79 which show this bridge. I'll try to find them later. I've witnessed it being hit twice. Once by a backhoe on a trailer and a camper. The camper itself didn't sustain any damage, but it ripped the air conditioner clean off.

Posted October 8, 2019, by George A Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Dana and Kay,thanks for posting this bridge which I am very familiar with being that I lived in Lansdale and Hatfield Pa and fished the Skippack Creek.I noticed the Kratz Rd bridge over the Skippack Creek by the Skippack Golf Course was replaced.Do you or anybody know when that bridge was replaced?Me and my family and friends fished Skippack Creek above and below that bridge for trout years ago.Any information would be helpful.

Posted October 8, 2019, by Mike Daffron (daffmikron [at] gmail [dot] com)

This great bridge just got removed today. On it's way to Brown County. I was at my crap-hole job while it was being removed. Will try to post a video asap.

Posted October 8, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

I did think about the Keystone plaque but they flaired out and were a little wider at the bottom than WIBCo ones.

Posted October 8, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

I've searched for an hour this morning. Most of the information is related to the relocation.

Posted October 8, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Although the "Prize" span was saved here, I too was thinking last night that it's a shame they didn't repurpose the little Pratt as well!

Posted October 8, 2019, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Not seeing anything to suggest Massillon here. I believe the 1910 date was just the usual bad Kansas default date. Although 4-panel thru's are uncommon they do exist.

Posted October 8, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

Thank you Art !

Posted October 8, 2019, by Geoff Hubbs (geoffrey [dot] hubbs [at] att [dot] net)

In BH Photo #240184 the former LV RR bridge to the left is abandoned; former CNJ RR bridge to the right is now used by Norfolk Southern

Posted October 8, 2019, by Melissa Brand-Welch (melissabrandwelch [at] msn [dot] com)

Art, you're welcome. I definitely want more information on this one too

Posted October 8, 2019, by Art S. (asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

BTW, I think you are right, but thought I’d double check.

Posted October 8, 2019, by Art S. (asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

Tony,

I have seen a bridge plaque with that shape with “Keystone” on it :^)

Given the 1900 build date, Are you basing the builder by the plaque shape or secondary evidence?

Regards,

Art S.

Posted October 8, 2019, by Art S. (asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

Thanks for the pic Melissa!

Glad they saved the bowstring. Too bad they scrapped the cute little Pratt. I wonder if we can find info on it.

Regards,

Art S.

Posted October 8, 2019, by Art S. (asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

Massillon? Doesn’t quite look like a King to me. Probably relocated and shortened in 1910. Would explain the date and 4 panel through config.

Regards,

Art S.

Posted October 7, 2019, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)
Posted October 7, 2019, by Dana and Kay Klein

particularly enjoyed bh photo 157147. Great composition and shows proximity to other use. Thanks for making the journey

Posted October 7, 2019, by George A Oakley (Georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Geoff,thanks for the pictures of this bridge.Being from Montgomery not originally and fishing the Schuylkill River above this bridge on both the river and canal brings back great memories.Also seeing the locks and the dam was worth seeing.

Posted October 7, 2019, by Leo (RLPage4 [at] outlook [dot] com)

Here is a photo of the bridge from 10/06/2019. The bridge is easily accessed by a maintained road.


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