If it did replace an 1850s structure, it would have been built in the 1880s in Michigan. This is the original structure here. Nathan or anyone in that region, do you know if there are archives for the Michigan Central Railroad?
I've seen that U-bar once, maybe twice... Very unusual
I'm more inclined to think that it replaced an 1850 structure.
Looks like an 1880s or maybe early 1890s Carnegie font to me.
Looking through the photos; I can only make them out on laced members. I did not pay attention to the Carnegie marks when I visited, as I assumed it was a cut and dry date situation.
The sway bracing and portal bracings do not look like they belong on this bridge. In addition, I see a special type of connection (what I've always referred to as a U-Bar) on the underside of this bridge. These type of connections are most common on the 1870s and 1880s trusses that I've seen.
I would think if this bridge date to the 1850s, it has been extensively rebuilt and not much remains of the original structure, specifically the main frame components.
How many members on this bridge have Carnegie mill marks?
Numerous sources indicate the bridge was built in 1850. The floor beams this bridge has tell me it's very old. I suspect it could have been heavily rebuilt. 1850 would make this the oldest railroad truss I know of.
...Could have been acquired from elsewhere and moved here in 07'.
I agree John that it's kinda light for a post-1900 RR span, But that 1850 date is even a bigger stretch! I would say more like 1885-1895 maybe.
This bridge appears to be far too light for a 1907 railway bridge. In addition, it matches this structure:
Which was reportedly built in 1850 by the Michigan Central Railway. Input?
The bridge was designed by Ferry & Clas (not Class).
The following report by the City of Milwaukee's Historic Preservation Office says it's believed to be the only bridge jointly designed by George Bowman Ferry and Alfred C. Clas, renowned Milwaukee architects who designed many major civic commissions. They also designed a nearby pavilion and the Grand Staircase as part of a neoclassical cluster in Lake Park.
Thanks Robert.That's the one.
The one upstream of Burger Boat? Yes, I've posted that one.
That's the one,Dana and Kay.Thanks for answering that question.
George This may be the one you see, cool bridge!
I noticed if you follow the rail line that this bridge is on there is an abandoned truss bridge between Revere Dr and Michigan Ave.Is this bridge on Bridgehunters?
They're only six railroad Abt types are in use for as 3 in Michigan and 3 in California and one been removed in Texas.
As always THANK YOU!
Dana, this bridge and the one pictured on the "older bridge" page are the same bridge.
Pay no attention to the comment above. This is CN Bridge 69.61 in Racine County, WI
The concrete base of this bridge looks seriously compromised in Jan. of 2017. A lot of traffic goes under this bridge, while locomotives use one of the two tracks on the bridge, at the same time that hopper cars are parked on it. Is this bridge safe?
On the point of smoke in covered RR bridges:
Many had cupolas or vents in the roof to allow the escape of smoke and steam. A prime example of this would be the 1908 Fisher covered railroad bridge in VT:
Or the 1904 Clarks bridge in NH (and still open to trains no less):
This is a double span, with the original span upstream and the newer span downstream. It appears that the upstream span still has the swing span that allowed navigation upstream on the Wisconsin River; the newer span does not.
I am hoping to do a kayak run out to this bridge for a few pictures next summer.
According to https://www.nh.gov/nhdhr/publications/documents/wooden_bridg... , after the adoption of coal-fueled locomotives the risk of fire went down significantly, and most fires damaged the roofs and were extinguished before damage was done to the trusses.
Well, on the point of covered railroad bridges, I concede that they did in fact exist.
However, they were probably horrible in the cars following the locomotive. And I would be curious to learn the statistics of how often they burned.
Wisconsin's own Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific was fond of them, especially in the PNW.
You asked if anyone can point to a railroad covered bridge. They did exist. The Boston & Maine Railroad, as well as other New England roads had them. The Hillsborough Covered Bridge in Hillsborough, New Hampshire (BH 61397) was built in 1903 and is a good example.
Nope, as all the evidence I've found and added to the sources section points to it being road.
So do you think this is a RR Bridge?
1) I've already discerned that it's not a railroad bridge for Douglas, as already shown.
2) There's a category for covered railroad bridges, of which there were numerous examples: https://bridgehunter.com/category/tag/covered-railroad-bridg...
A few other things to note here:
1. The cited Wisconsin State Journal article of May 24 1935 clearly states that this is a HIGHWAY bridge, carrying US Highway 61 across the Wisconsin River. It also states that the bridge operated as a toll bridge until it was acquired by the state.
2. Can anyone point out ANY instances where a railroad used a COVERED bridge? Coal-fired steam locomotives were capable of spewing live sparks out the smokestack, putting the enclosed wooden structure in great risk of a fire. In any event, the amount of smoke spewing from the locomotive would fill the covered portion of the bridge with smoke.
3. Most truss-type rail bridges are in essence a double bridge; i.e. the truss portion supports a double girder bridge suspended inside it. Photos of the swing span show no evidence of the truss being able to support rail loads.
4. The aerial photo provided by the Wisconsin Historical Society clearly shows a roadway versus a railroad on this bridge. An automobile is clearly seen on the approaches on the far bank.
I rest my case.
I hate to belabor the point, but...
the Wisconsin Historical Society is in error when they captioned the photo
"DESCRIPTION Elevated view of railroad bridge over the river. Part of the bridge is covered. Foothills are in the background."
This is a HIGHWAY bridge. The bridge is perpendicular to the river, with a bluff facing the portal. There is NO RAILROAD in the photo; the bridge is clearly servicing a highway with a "tee" intersection
. A railroad branch at this point would have a wide-radiused roadbed leaving the bridge; there is no evidence of there having been one.
Old maps do not show any railroad crossing at this point on the river; there is no reason why a railroad company would invest a fortune installing a swing bridge across a river servicing nothing for no reason.
Several miles downriver, there IS a RAILROAD bridge that still exists, with a swing span. I hope to get out to it next summer by kayak for some photos.
Incredible setting for this bridge. Well done Shovelmen for your dedication and making a difference in the Sparta community.
This bridge was replaced in 2016.
BAD Movie Railing...............
This place was once a junction between two railroads, both of which became part of the Chicago & North Western. The track furthest to the east, which ran through the center of Shorewood and Whitefish Bay, was removed in 1929. There was also a small station about 350 feet south here (1870-1929).
Spoke today with Bob Metropulos Chairman Board Community Foundation of North Central Wisconsin. They have retrieved bridge and have in storage to be re erected as entrance. They could use a couple of things. of Course support with monetary donations. Contributions may be made online at www.cfnocw.org Make sure to designate as T -Bird Bridge project. Old school contributions of cash Check or money order may be mailed to Community foundation of Northcentral Wisconsin 500 First Street Suite 2600 Wausau WI 54403. Please mark as for TBird Bridge Project. Sounds like they could use a little technical help with support design and rust killing. Neither of which is my expertise. Bob is very interested in hearing from Pontist experts and said OK to give contact number of 715-356-7001. Any one who can help with donations or guidance Wisconsin T bird Bridge lovers would appreciate. Think of all the future bridge preservationists a project like this can generate!
While the bridge was removed, the local school and community are working hard to relocate it and use it as a decoration. See flyer below which came from a gas station in Minocqua.
This is the Blues Brothers scene in question. Car flies off the Hoan Bridge and lands in Chicago! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGu2camh0WA
We call it the hoan bridge . Also the blues brother movie has a scene filmed on this bridge whe it sat half finished for many years . Prior to it being completed it sat vacant for many years and was called the bridge to nowhere by locals 😀
I am not terribly familiar with Wisconsin Bridges, but I would suggest starting with the County Engineer or County Comissioners. These individuals are usually the ones who oversee maintenance and replacement of bridges. There is a slight possibility that this bridge might be owned by the railroad, but the county officials could tell you for certain.
This website advocates for the preservation of historic bridges, but with rare exceptions, us contributors do not own or maintain any bridges. Hope this helps.
Hello, This bridge located in Columbia County, WI, is my interest. I want more information as to when it will be replaced.
It is unsafe and worsens every season. I am making contact to the railroad and county safety board to get sooner action. Has any interest been given to restoring the bridge?
Can you provide me with any newer information or concerns.
I hate to see it removed but safety is the priority concern.
Sandra 920-210-5617 local resident
This bridge is NOT abandoned. It is "out of service" due to the last major round of flooding of the Baraboo River. While I am not a member of the Mid-Continent Railway Museum, I am a member of a different museum and have a friend who IS a MCRM Member.
"Abandoned" in railroad terms means that the last railroad who owned a track or structure has no intention of ever operating the track or structure again, and that it will be sold off, scrapped, left for whomever gets the land, etc. This is NOT the case here.
Repairing a damaged railroad bridge to carry trains again is not cheap or easy. MCRM "plans" to have the bridge repaired when they can raise the money to do so. Until their plans change, the correct status for the bridge is "out of service."
The tracks on the WSOR side of the bridge are being used for storage by WSOR or MCRM, depending on exactly where MCRM ownership ends and WSOR ownership begins. Since the bridge is "out of service," the stored cars are not "in the way." Also, the owners of the cars are required to pay the owners of track for every day the cars are stored. This is part of how a railroad earns money. Were the bridge "in service," the cars would NOT be stored where they are. WSOR could not use the track for storage since they would be blocking the MCRM interchange. MCRM would not store the cars there either. They would haul them further back on their property so their interchange would be accessible.
A few years ago I made a comment about this bridge. It was nice looking and a great place to visit.
Is there a way I can have this deleted?? I still work on this bridge but would like my photo removed and the words I wrote down.
I'd love to see the details of that $13,000,000 rehabilitation proposal... Could use a good laugh!
This isn't good--it sure looks like the concrete pier supporting the truss is sinking. The entire span will be in the river before long.
The good news is the bridge is to become part of a new trail:
This is better news for the back channel bridge, which is an older and more significant structure. I don't know if it is too late for this bridge (specifically the remaining truss) to be saved.
While boating on the river, I noticed a lot of distortion in the alignment of a remaining section of the bridge. I did not get any pics from the water but stopped on my way through Sauk City to a couple from shore.
Old family photo of the suspension bridge in Green Bay's Pamperin park yr 1 after completion.
Looks mother nature is tearing the bridge down, right now the truss piece and piece south of it are no longer in line with each other.
As of September 2016, there are rehabilitation options for this iconic bridge in a Frederick Law Olmsted park but it could face demolition and reconstruction. Supporters of a new bridge (estimated at $2.6 million) say it would be more practical over 100 years than a rehab with a 50-year life span for $2.3 million.
Articles about the planning process and community debate:
Love to see that there are some remains! Thanks Robert!
The dock pictured is the ex-Northern Pacific dock in Superior, Wi.
This bridge was built 1905 by the MHI&T Co. It can be reached from Layton Ave., on to Root River Parkway going south to the high tenion power lines. You can see the embankment for the row to the west.
Bridge still exists north of the new bridge. Added new location and updated bridge status. Also updated the NRHP info.
I was traveling through Wisconsin, and came upon a bridge. It inspired me.
...just found out that it might be taken down (it would really be a shame to loose this bridge)
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Drive by this bridge today (5/24/16). All traffic has been relocated to the replacement bridge, and the concrete deck has been removed on the eastbound side.
I found your photo of the bridge passing over the Nippersink Creek in Genoa City, WI. Thank you! The bridge was part of the Kenosha Division Line or the KD-Line which CNW owned.
More info here:
Little Chute is a dutch community, and that is exactly what they were trying to emulate with this bridge. They also built a large windmill nearby that is a tourist attraction.
This type of lift bridge of a Dutch type looks more like the ones that are popularized in Germany and other foreign countries there is one over the Chambly Canal of the Richelieu River in Quebec Canada of a Dutch type replaced a similar Strauss bascule bridge.
Absolutely disgusting. Wisconsin has dreadful preservation reputation but this one makes the top five for sure. The demolition of this represents a complete lack of ignorance both in load carrying capacity (I suspect this bridge could handle pedestrian loads even the stupid AASHTO 90PSF), and in the heritage/engineering significance in a Strauss overhead counterweight type trunnion bascule bridge. Demolition... for pedestrian use!!!! Absolutely pathetic waste of taxpayer dollars. Next time you want to waste tax dollars, mail them to State of Michigan, care of the Department of Transportation. We have plenty of roads over here that are filled with potholes. We also have the ability and sense to PRESERVE our historic movable bridges. Two contracts for bascule bridges are in place, both for bridges carrying HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC.
Bridge has been stuck in the open position for hours at a time in the last few years. Was just stuck this morning from midnight to noon due to a sensor problem.
Time to restrict truck traffic from this bridge. There are other routing options available for vehicles that could damage the trusses.
I'm not sure what dock that is but it is not Ashland
The news isn't good:
The Rockford and Interurban crossed under the UP tracks until 1930. At some point after that it was converted to an access to the JATCO lot on the other side.
There is a single arch bridge just to the south of this one that can only be seen in the winter from the county road to the east. It is only a few hundred yards(if that far) down the tracks.
The bridge that is being torn down crosses US-51, not Lake Minoquca. I will add that bridge.
Open and work just about done:
Restoration preserves rare truss bridge, ribbon cutting set for Saturday
By: Bill Livick
If you go
What: Ribbon cutting for opening of Dyreson Bridge
When: 10 a.m. Saturday, Feb. 13
Where: Dyreson Road at the Yahara River in the Town of Dunn
More info: 838-1081
It cost almost $1 million to restore, but the Dyreson Bridge is open again for the first time since May 2011.
Last Saturday, workers put down “a wearing surface” on the bridge deck, which opened last Tuesday, Feb. 2.
“They got the surface on Saturday and they pulled the barricades down,” said Town of Dunn clerk/business manager Cathy Hasslinger. “They’ll take that temporary wearing surface off this summer and put a double-seal coat over it, so the bridge will be closed again for a few days.”
The bridge, originally built in 1868 and replaced in 1897 with the current structure, is one of the last truss bridges in the state. It crosses the Yahara River on Dyreson Road, one of only two state designated Rustic Roads in the township.
Dunn officials asked the Wisconsin Department of Transportation in 2011 to close the bridge after learning that steel I-beams supporting it had rusted to the point that their flanges could be bent by hand, Town chair Ed Minihan told the Hub.
Town officials had hoped to rebuild the bridge long before now, but a bid in 2012 to perform the work came in higher than expected from a company that did not have the requisite experience, Minihan said. The company’s estimate of $856,499 was deemed too high.
When the project was rebid, a contractor from Waukesha – Zenithtech Inc. – was awarded the construction contract with a bid of $760,918. The final DOT estimate included design, engineering and change orders and brought the total estimated cost to $920,000, Hasslinger said.
The project is complicated because of the bridge’s historic nature and also the fact that its 127-foot length spans the Yahara River. In replacing the bridge’s structural components and repainting it, workers had to be diligent about protecting the environment.
“It’s an intricate process to do the restoration,” Minihan explained in an interview last year. “It’s kind of wrapped up in plastic right at the moment because they can’t let the paint spray get into the water. You can’t believe the rigging they have to do this.”
A DOT report indicated that around 75 vehicles passed over the bridge each day before it was closed.
Construction to restore the bridge began in June 2015 and cost nearly $1 million. The town’s share was about $200,000, Hasslinger said. Most of the remaining funding came from DOT grants.
“There are very few of these bridges left,” Minihan said.
The Dyreson Bridge is listed in a DOT report titled “Historic Highway Bridges in Wisconsin,” which indicates the bridge was engineered and fabricated by Milwaukee Bridge and Iron Works and built by another Milwaukee company at a cost of $1,028.
The overall project is 585 feet to include a new approach on both ends. When completed, there will be a stop sign on each end because it’s a one-lane bridge.
Located between Stoughton and McFarland, the bridge is “a significant representative example of a metal, overhead, Pratt Truss highway bridge construction, as practiced in Wisconsin” between 1895 and 1910, according to an engineering report.
Minihan said the company doing the restoration encountered “a few surprises,” which accounted for the cost overruns.
The town is holding a ribbon-cutting ceremony to celebrate the bridge opening at 10 a.m. Saturday.
This is listed under the wrong Fox River. This belongs under Fox River - Illinois:
This river (not to be confused with the similarly-named `Fox River' in Northeast Wisconsin) begins west of Milwaukee, Wisconsin and flows to Ottawa, Illinois.<<
Does anyone know anything about the wrecked and rusted cars that are on either side of this bridge at the waterline. There must be 5-10 cars there and they are covered with dirt.. they are on and at the waterline. How did they get there? Was it a train wreck of some kind? Thanks.. Greg
Looks like it's the right size Art!
May be a picture of this bridge:
Yup, looks like its doomed:
On the question about the cross brace in Photo #2: it wasn't added for strength; it's supposed to be attached in between the floor beams of the bridge, but it's falling off due to rust at the connection points.
Looks like this bridges days are numbered. It's scheduled to be replaced in 2017 or 2018
Now hosts a recently opened extension of the Oak Leaf Bike Trail
How did you access this bridge? I would be interested in seeing the structure.
This bridge is now gone, and has been replaced.
Yep; I took some pictures of what I assume is the hobo tunnel earlier this spring. They can be seen here:
Remember this bridge from when I was a kid growing up in Baraboo. Has anyone got pics of Hobo tunnel a little further down the line?
I've seen both names used. Feel free to change the name/feature crossed.
Open to bicycle/pedestrian traffic only, since the new bridge was completed (1996?).
Yeah, they were a warren deck truss type. Still stumped as to why they would replace such heavy and newer trusses in 1998.
If I recall, before the 1998 rebuild, at least the main spans of this structure were of deck truss type.
Pretty sure the name of the waterway here is "Wedge's Creek."
The noted news article proposes replacing the bridge with federal funds, any proposal that has an adverse effect to this historic bridge will trigger Section 106. If Section 106 has not yet been conducted it is required under federal law to consider all feasible and prudent alternatives to demolition: an alternative needs to include a detailed consideration of rehabilitation.
The news isn't good. Looks like saving the Cobban Bridge in any fashion isn't one of the options on the table:
I have a long way to go to match your contributions to this site!
Actually, no, I never worked for a railroad. I did, however, work for a bridge contractor as an Ironworker for twenty-five years, during which I got around most of Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa. Mostly I worked on highway bridges, with a few railroad structures thrown in.
Lifelong railfan, combined with a professional investment in bridges. I've lived my entire life in Fall Creek, Wisconsin.
In the 1950's my grandmother lived in Superior, WI, and I had an aunt, uncle, and cousin in Duluth. Occasionally we'd go over this bridge. it had a wooden deck and large steel columns came vertically thru the roadway holding up the RR tracks overhead. The last time I was in the area (about 1995), I was amazed to see this bridge still there and in use.
I'm happy to report that as I write this (12/25/2015),the Dyerson Road bridge is open to traffic. They did a beautiful job of restoration, being careful not to mar this, one of the most beautiful spots on the planet. As an aside, I must take credit for the "haunted" stories, as, several years ago in a fit of boredom I posted the story of cries and screams and the "phantom" black car on a "hauntings" website. The story has taken on a life of its own, even appearing in a book on Madison's haunted places. Be careful what you take as factual on the WWW!
Nice to see the pictures you have posted of bridges I have been planing to access for a while. Did you work for the railroad?
Chicago and North Western single tracked this line ca. 1965, after the Twin Cities 400 passenger trains were discontinued. Not sure age had anything to do with which half retained its rails. I'm sure many other factors affected which track remained in place.
For what it's worth: "Troubled Waters Bridge" has traditionally been the name for this structure. "Green Eyes" is more of a local legend.
I have pics of this bridge somewhere that I'll post, which is a good thing...since the bridge is gone.