I rode the #10 streetcar over this viaduct every workday from 70th and Main St (We lived on S. 68th and Main - newly married) to Allen Bradley. I can't remember if it was the 3rd St bus or the 6th St bus that took me from Wells to Greenfield and AB. It was a wonderful ride. I looked forward to the adventure each day. Thank you for the correct information on the bridge, and I found a great photo of the streetcar courtesy of the Milwaukee County Historical Society. I love that it was designed by a man from Pomerania, as am I by way of my ancestry. I am 82 years old and rode the trestle, as I called it, in the years 1955 and 1956.
And a 169 Average Daily Traffic count gives even more reason that a restoration is the more feasible option!
Also, that supposed $13 Million price tag to restore the bridge is an inflated joke and nothing more than an attempt to thwart preservation... Unless they are planning to Gold plate it!
Its also a meaningless decision until Section 106 is conducted (as far as I know it hasn't been unless they have conducted it without my knowledge despite requesting consulting party status). No Section 106 = No Federal Funds.
Irresponsible and short-sighted decision, but sadly it seems to be ingrained into government officials in Wisconsin that history means nothing and these landmarks are simply scrap metal... Truly sad indeed!
This historic bridge is closed indefinitely. The Chippewa County Board voted to build a replacement bridge if Federal and State money is approved. It appears as though the historic bridge will soon be demolished to make room for the new bridge that may be competed by 2021. Anyone want to buy a beautiful old bridge?
County Board votes to replace shuttered Cobban Bridge
Preliminary studies are under way for the eventual replacement of this bridge. A likely scenario involves keeping the girder approach spans and replacing the main truss span. No design concepts have been proposed yet. A detailed inspection and load rating of the approach spans is just getting started. Any replacement project will be at least 10 years down the road, but be forewarned!
Bridge was struck by a coal ship today. The ship also damaged a recreational boat and dock.
County Road M Columbia County UP bridge is completed.
Several stringers were replaced on the wooden bridge at Sterk Road
(next bridge in line from M) on 7/11/2017. Several repairs are still needed .UP no longer owns the bridge.
I Had put up a postcard view. Mr. Butler did a drawing, I deleted and then re added postcard view to make his the default. My preferences are on site photos , then drawings then historic views. Sorry if I caused a controversy BUT was my action to make Drawing default photo. Hate at me if you like!
I agree. I've seen enough of these pen-and-ink scribbles to last a lifetime.
I vote we re-make the postcard the default image.
Got it. Thanks as always
Dana, the image you posted belongs on https://bridgehunter.com/wi/sauk/bryant-street/
This bridge is supposedly going to be replaced with a new drawbridge in 2022.
The trusses have now been moved to a static display.
New location described as "the far east side of the park as part of Harbor View Trail near De Neveu Creek"
I grew up a block from the west end of this bridge. Made many a trek out to the island. The trains stopped running in 1973 when the tracks washed out east of Kellner. Good memories.
I believe that Robert was referring to the category that was assigned to the bridge, not the location. There is no dispute that this is the correct bridge, location, and it is the Fox River--however, the category that was previously assigned was the Fox River that passes between Green Bay and Appleton--Wisconsin has 2 Fox Rivers, which makes things confusing. This Fox River originates just north of Waukesha and passes through Burlington and down into Illinois. Just wanted to clear things up.
As this original photographer of the image shown I can guarantee that it is just south of Burlington, WI and is not in Illinois. While in high school in the late 1990s I worked for a horse farm that owned the land which is how I had access to get that picture.
Thoughts on one of the left spans being moved to this location?
It's very nice that as part of the White River State Trail, the bridge is publicly accessible. The slats are all there and you can look down between the slats at the Fox River. With Bushnell Park on the east bank and the dog park on the west bank, there's a ton of public space to view/photograph it... unfortunately that also means more graffiti.
I was out there in early April. Its a shame, but it's in sad shape. If it doesn't get some attention, it won't be long before it gets replaced. It's a beautiful piece and fits the rustic landscape in the area.
The location of this bridge is mis-identified. That is understandable, because of the confusion of the existing Pike River and the buried and invisible Pike Creek. The Main Street Bridge on 6th Ave was located south of 52nd Street at the Kenosha Harbor, about 20 blocks south of where it is shown. That Main Street Bridge crossed not only the mouth of Pike Creek, but also the harbor line (AKA Simmons Spur) of the C&NW railroad. After Pike Creek was fully enclosed in a drain tile back in the 1960s and the rail line closed when the factory was torn down, that bridge was redundant and was removed some time in the late 1990s.
Incidentally - the pre-1920s swing bridge was not torn down, but was moved over to 50th St, at the entrance to Simmons Island Park until it was finally replaced in the 1980s. [http://www.kenoshanews.com/news/history_mystery_downtownarea...
Wow! Despite what the updates say... I only fixed the coordinates once! ;-p
That really stinks! A rather unique bridge with the rounded upper chord/endpost angles. It never ceases to amaze me how clueless people really are!
***odd***. Sometimes voice recognition fails.
Well that is a shame. This was a very interesting little bridge. It reminds me of those are paired angle pony trusses in Kansas and Missouri.
A sad day in our world, I received news today that this bridge has been destroyed by an overweight gravel truck. The stories due to recklessness and clueless truck drivers is getting out of control.
If it did replace an 1850s structure, it would have been built in the 1880s in Michigan. This is the original structure here. Nathan or anyone in that region, do you know if there are archives for the Michigan Central Railroad?
I've seen that U-bar once, maybe twice... Very unusual
I'm more inclined to think that it replaced an 1850 structure.
Looks like an 1880s or maybe early 1890s Carnegie font to me.
Looking through the photos; I can only make them out on laced members. I did not pay attention to the Carnegie marks when I visited, as I assumed it was a cut and dry date situation.
The sway bracing and portal bracings do not look like they belong on this bridge. In addition, I see a special type of connection (what I've always referred to as a U-Bar) on the underside of this bridge. These type of connections are most common on the 1870s and 1880s trusses that I've seen.
I would think if this bridge date to the 1850s, it has been extensively rebuilt and not much remains of the original structure, specifically the main frame components.
How many members on this bridge have Carnegie mill marks?
Numerous sources indicate the bridge was built in 1850. The floor beams this bridge has tell me it's very old. I suspect it could have been heavily rebuilt. 1850 would make this the oldest railroad truss I know of.
...Could have been acquired from elsewhere and moved here in 07'.
I agree John that it's kinda light for a post-1900 RR span, But that 1850 date is even a bigger stretch! I would say more like 1885-1895 maybe.
This bridge appears to be far too light for a 1907 railway bridge. In addition, it matches this structure:
Which was reportedly built in 1850 by the Michigan Central Railway. Input?
The bridge was designed by Ferry & Clas (not Class).
The following report by the City of Milwaukee's Historic Preservation Office says it's believed to be the only bridge jointly designed by George Bowman Ferry and Alfred C. Clas, renowned Milwaukee architects who designed many major civic commissions. They also designed a nearby pavilion and the Grand Staircase as part of a neoclassical cluster in Lake Park.
Thanks Robert.That's the one.
The one upstream of Burger Boat? Yes, I've posted that one.
That's the one,Dana and Kay.Thanks for answering that question.
George This may be the one you see, cool bridge!
I noticed if you follow the rail line that this bridge is on there is an abandoned truss bridge between Revere Dr and Michigan Ave.Is this bridge on Bridgehunters?
They're only six railroad Abt types are in use for as 3 in Michigan and 3 in California and one been removed in Texas.
As always THANK YOU!
Dana, this bridge and the one pictured on the "older bridge" page are the same bridge.
Pay no attention to the comment above. This is CN Bridge 69.61 in Racine County, WI
The concrete base of this bridge looks seriously compromised in Jan. of 2017. A lot of traffic goes under this bridge, while locomotives use one of the two tracks on the bridge, at the same time that hopper cars are parked on it. Is this bridge safe?
On the point of smoke in covered RR bridges:
Many had cupolas or vents in the roof to allow the escape of smoke and steam. A prime example of this would be the 1908 Fisher covered railroad bridge in VT:
Or the 1904 Clarks bridge in NH (and still open to trains no less):
This is a double span, with the original span upstream and the newer span downstream. It appears that the upstream span still has the swing span that allowed navigation upstream on the Wisconsin River; the newer span does not.
I am hoping to do a kayak run out to this bridge for a few pictures next summer.
According to https://www.nh.gov/nhdhr/publications/documents/wooden_bridg... , after the adoption of coal-fueled locomotives the risk of fire went down significantly, and most fires damaged the roofs and were extinguished before damage was done to the trusses.
Well, on the point of covered railroad bridges, I concede that they did in fact exist.
However, they were probably horrible in the cars following the locomotive. And I would be curious to learn the statistics of how often they burned.
Wisconsin's own Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific was fond of them, especially in the PNW.
You asked if anyone can point to a railroad covered bridge. They did exist. The Boston & Maine Railroad, as well as other New England roads had them. The Hillsborough Covered Bridge in Hillsborough, New Hampshire (BH 61397) was built in 1903 and is a good example.
Nope, as all the evidence I've found and added to the sources section points to it being road.
So do you think this is a RR Bridge?
1) I've already discerned that it's not a railroad bridge for Douglas, as already shown.
2) There's a category for covered railroad bridges, of which there were numerous examples: https://bridgehunter.com/category/tag/covered-railroad-bridg...
A few other things to note here:
1. The cited Wisconsin State Journal article of May 24 1935 clearly states that this is a HIGHWAY bridge, carrying US Highway 61 across the Wisconsin River. It also states that the bridge operated as a toll bridge until it was acquired by the state.
2. Can anyone point out ANY instances where a railroad used a COVERED bridge? Coal-fired steam locomotives were capable of spewing live sparks out the smokestack, putting the enclosed wooden structure in great risk of a fire. In any event, the amount of smoke spewing from the locomotive would fill the covered portion of the bridge with smoke.
3. Most truss-type rail bridges are in essence a double bridge; i.e. the truss portion supports a double girder bridge suspended inside it. Photos of the swing span show no evidence of the truss being able to support rail loads.
4. The aerial photo provided by the Wisconsin Historical Society clearly shows a roadway versus a railroad on this bridge. An automobile is clearly seen on the approaches on the far bank.
I rest my case.
I hate to belabor the point, but...
the Wisconsin Historical Society is in error when they captioned the photo
"DESCRIPTION Elevated view of railroad bridge over the river. Part of the bridge is covered. Foothills are in the background."
This is a HIGHWAY bridge. The bridge is perpendicular to the river, with a bluff facing the portal. There is NO RAILROAD in the photo; the bridge is clearly servicing a highway with a "tee" intersection
. A railroad branch at this point would have a wide-radiused roadbed leaving the bridge; there is no evidence of there having been one.
Old maps do not show any railroad crossing at this point on the river; there is no reason why a railroad company would invest a fortune installing a swing bridge across a river servicing nothing for no reason.
Several miles downriver, there IS a RAILROAD bridge that still exists, with a swing span. I hope to get out to it next summer by kayak for some photos.
Incredible setting for this bridge. Well done Shovelmen for your dedication and making a difference in the Sparta community.
This bridge was replaced in 2016.
BAD Movie Railing...............
This place was once a junction between two railroads, both of which became part of the Chicago & North Western. The track furthest to the east, which ran through the center of Shorewood and Whitefish Bay, was removed in 1929. There was also a small station about 350 feet south here (1870-1929).
Spoke today with Bob Metropulos Chairman Board Community Foundation of North Central Wisconsin. They have retrieved bridge and have in storage to be re erected as entrance. They could use a couple of things. of Course support with monetary donations. Contributions may be made online at www.cfnocw.org Make sure to designate as T -Bird Bridge project. Old school contributions of cash Check or money order may be mailed to Community foundation of Northcentral Wisconsin 500 First Street Suite 2600 Wausau WI 54403. Please mark as for TBird Bridge Project. Sounds like they could use a little technical help with support design and rust killing. Neither of which is my expertise. Bob is very interested in hearing from Pontist experts and said OK to give contact number of 715-356-7001. Any one who can help with donations or guidance Wisconsin T bird Bridge lovers would appreciate. Think of all the future bridge preservationists a project like this can generate!
While the bridge was removed, the local school and community are working hard to relocate it and use it as a decoration. See flyer below which came from a gas station in Minocqua.
This is the Blues Brothers scene in question. Car flies off the Hoan Bridge and lands in Chicago! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGu2camh0WA
We call it the hoan bridge . Also the blues brother movie has a scene filmed on this bridge whe it sat half finished for many years . Prior to it being completed it sat vacant for many years and was called the bridge to nowhere by locals 😀
I am not terribly familiar with Wisconsin Bridges, but I would suggest starting with the County Engineer or County Comissioners. These individuals are usually the ones who oversee maintenance and replacement of bridges. There is a slight possibility that this bridge might be owned by the railroad, but the county officials could tell you for certain.
This website advocates for the preservation of historic bridges, but with rare exceptions, us contributors do not own or maintain any bridges. Hope this helps.
Hello, This bridge located in Columbia County, WI, is my interest. I want more information as to when it will be replaced.
It is unsafe and worsens every season. I am making contact to the railroad and county safety board to get sooner action. Has any interest been given to restoring the bridge?
Can you provide me with any newer information or concerns.
I hate to see it removed but safety is the priority concern.
Sandra 920-210-5617 local resident
This bridge is NOT abandoned. It is "out of service" due to the last major round of flooding of the Baraboo River. While I am not a member of the Mid-Continent Railway Museum, I am a member of a different museum and have a friend who IS a MCRM Member.
"Abandoned" in railroad terms means that the last railroad who owned a track or structure has no intention of ever operating the track or structure again, and that it will be sold off, scrapped, left for whomever gets the land, etc. This is NOT the case here.
Repairing a damaged railroad bridge to carry trains again is not cheap or easy. MCRM "plans" to have the bridge repaired when they can raise the money to do so. Until their plans change, the correct status for the bridge is "out of service."
The tracks on the WSOR side of the bridge are being used for storage by WSOR or MCRM, depending on exactly where MCRM ownership ends and WSOR ownership begins. Since the bridge is "out of service," the stored cars are not "in the way." Also, the owners of the cars are required to pay the owners of track for every day the cars are stored. This is part of how a railroad earns money. Were the bridge "in service," the cars would NOT be stored where they are. WSOR could not use the track for storage since they would be blocking the MCRM interchange. MCRM would not store the cars there either. They would haul them further back on their property so their interchange would be accessible.
A few years ago I made a comment about this bridge. It was nice looking and a great place to visit.
Is there a way I can have this deleted?? I still work on this bridge but would like my photo removed and the words I wrote down.
I'd love to see the details of that $13,000,000 rehabilitation proposal... Could use a good laugh!
This isn't good--it sure looks like the concrete pier supporting the truss is sinking. The entire span will be in the river before long.
The good news is the bridge is to become part of a new trail:
This is better news for the back channel bridge, which is an older and more significant structure. I don't know if it is too late for this bridge (specifically the remaining truss) to be saved.
While boating on the river, I noticed a lot of distortion in the alignment of a remaining section of the bridge. I did not get any pics from the water but stopped on my way through Sauk City to a couple from shore.
Old family photo of the suspension bridge in Green Bay's Pamperin park yr 1 after completion.
Looks mother nature is tearing the bridge down, right now the truss piece and piece south of it are no longer in line with each other.
As of September 2016, there are rehabilitation options for this iconic bridge in a Frederick Law Olmsted park but it could face demolition and reconstruction. Supporters of a new bridge (estimated at $2.6 million) say it would be more practical over 100 years than a rehab with a 50-year life span for $2.3 million.
Articles about the planning process and community debate:
Love to see that there are some remains! Thanks Robert!
The dock pictured is the ex-Northern Pacific dock in Superior, Wi.
This bridge was built 1905 by the MHI&T Co. It can be reached from Layton Ave., on to Root River Parkway going south to the high tenion power lines. You can see the embankment for the row to the west.
Bridge still exists north of the new bridge. Added new location and updated bridge status. Also updated the NRHP info.
I was traveling through Wisconsin, and came upon a bridge. It inspired me.
...just found out that it might be taken down (it would really be a shame to loose this bridge)
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Drive by this bridge today (5/24/16). All traffic has been relocated to the replacement bridge, and the concrete deck has been removed on the eastbound side.
I found your photo of the bridge passing over the Nippersink Creek in Genoa City, WI. Thank you! The bridge was part of the Kenosha Division Line or the KD-Line which CNW owned.
More info here:
Little Chute is a dutch community, and that is exactly what they were trying to emulate with this bridge. They also built a large windmill nearby that is a tourist attraction.
This type of lift bridge of a Dutch type looks more like the ones that are popularized in Germany and other foreign countries there is one over the Chambly Canal of the Richelieu River in Quebec Canada of a Dutch type replaced a similar Strauss bascule bridge.
Absolutely disgusting. Wisconsin has dreadful preservation reputation but this one makes the top five for sure. The demolition of this represents a complete lack of ignorance both in load carrying capacity (I suspect this bridge could handle pedestrian loads even the stupid AASHTO 90PSF), and in the heritage/engineering significance in a Strauss overhead counterweight type trunnion bascule bridge. Demolition... for pedestrian use!!!! Absolutely pathetic waste of taxpayer dollars. Next time you want to waste tax dollars, mail them to State of Michigan, care of the Department of Transportation. We have plenty of roads over here that are filled with potholes. We also have the ability and sense to PRESERVE our historic movable bridges. Two contracts for bascule bridges are in place, both for bridges carrying HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC.
Bridge has been stuck in the open position for hours at a time in the last few years. Was just stuck this morning from midnight to noon due to a sensor problem.
Time to restrict truck traffic from this bridge. There are other routing options available for vehicles that could damage the trusses.
I'm not sure what dock that is but it is not Ashland
The news isn't good:
The Rockford and Interurban crossed under the UP tracks until 1930. At some point after that it was converted to an access to the JATCO lot on the other side.
There is a single arch bridge just to the south of this one that can only be seen in the winter from the county road to the east. It is only a few hundred yards(if that far) down the tracks.
The bridge that is being torn down crosses US-51, not Lake Minoquca. I will add that bridge.