This bridge has started to fall. I took this photo sometime around October 2016.
Bridge has been demolished for a replacement as of November 2016
Thought I'd nailed down which was which with portal details...
You're right, the right PE and "contractor" are key. I've a friend I've done some preservation work with in the Roanoke area, he's done some structural work on one of the Woolwine examples, I'll make sure he's aware of this development.
This was a replacement with a modern truss... Not a rehabilitation, unfortunately!
It's not a Howe truss. Sort of a Kingpost pony hybrid... AKA "Mongrel" of some kind.
Looking at the foundations and the low trusses, I'm almost certain that this is the bridge that was blown down in the windstorm. And really it appears that only the "Lid"... siding and roof were blown off of the trusses. While there has been some damage to them the trusses appear to be mostly intact. I believe the other Sinking Creek spans have vertical beams that extend up to the roofline, while this one does not. The siding and roof on this bridge likely were not original, and not historic. If they get the right engineer and contractor (Will?) I believe it can be restored.
The curved piers are original to the 1888 N&W bridge. The V&T bridge was the original bridge on the current NS bridge. I have corrected the posting.
Were these piers reused for the successor bridge? Was the original bridge, which was burned, also curved?
I would call them outriggers.
Is the bracing here note worthy, I do not believe I have seen this before. Is it acting as an outrigger or a vertical? Or both?
I am guessing this bridge was not built in 1932. Probably the original bridge here was built in 1932. This looks to be a welded MOB.
They looked brand new, right out of the box.
Nice job capturing the EMD SD70ACe-T4 demonstrators!
My father was a CE with the KS highway Dept ca 1950 and the term he used was "catiwhompus". I haven't run across the exact definition in any of his old books yet.
A non-technical term I like to use for this type of structure is "Womper-Jawed".
Neither have I....crazy/cool engineering
Thanks Nathan. I have just not encountered many Pratts that looked like this.
Unless I am missing something, no there is not, aside from describing its unusual design features of vertical end posts and a heavy skew, but these don't play into the type of truss configuration here. Its basically a Pratt truss with a skew and vertical endposts.
Is there a sub category of Pratt for this bridge?
I have changed this status back to open. I do not know if they are going to take it down but as of 2/17/2017 it remains open with no work being done on it.
Well, I will support any effort to reuse historic bridges on trails.
ConTech Continental prefab spans (MOBS) are hard to compete with in terms of cost for short spans (even though they are inferior to a restored historic metal truss bridge). However, once you get into really long span lengths like this, these sorts of modern bridges rapidly become EXTREMELY expensive. They are not standard (higher cost), and they are very inefficient in use of materials (even higher cost). The shear mass of the ugly steel tubes needed to support spans of this length result in a bridge of unparalleled level of ugly, and a bridge that obstructs the view of the river it crosses. A restored historic truss span could have been provided for this budget, providing a structurally superior (wider roadway), long-lasting, signature historic landmark. The efficient, lightweight members would have coexisted with the surrounding area in a much better manner as well.
Looks like a MOB to me. I would much rather see relocated historic trusses than MOBs on trails. Thanks to firms such as Workin' Bridges, and Bach Steel, we can save historic trusses that would otherwise be turned into soup cans.
thinking this was not a 1,000,000 dollar bridge
This bridge has been torn down and replaced
The bridge probably needs a separate entry.
From what scant bit of Googling I've done, it's probably just called the "Pepper Tunnel Bridge"
I also think this photo shows a VA B&I plaque: https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/view_record.php?URN=ns3720
Great find! What's the bridge called?
Was playing around with my quad maps, and found this one.
Was looking at the HAER documentation and I found that the floor beams were remodeled in 1940, at which time the Kingpost beams were added.
This bridge has recently been closed to pedestrian traffic as well.
This structure has been destroyed and replaced.
This is a pin-connected Warren through truss. As such it likely in reality dates to the 1880s, certainly not 1932. Also looks like it might be a former railroad bridge. This is a highly significant historic bridge.
There are wingwalls visible if you turn the clock back on GE a few years; it looks pretty overgrown on the current satellite view. Pretty sure it's there though. It's only 22 feet long, so probably pretty easy to overlook.
Did you pick up the road and look under it? Concrete arches are sometimes shy!
No bridge here
A company by the name of "Bowers" was awarded the contract to build the Smith River Bridge - however they assigned/subcontracted the project to T. A. Loving - Taylor Abbit Loving was the founder of T. A. Loving Company. Founded in 1925 we are still in business and still building bridges, hospitals, football stadiums, water and waste water treatments plants, among other things.
I remember a bridge from childhood (I'm 72, raised in Hurt, Va) can't find any image or info. Hope you can help. From Hurt, there were 2 ways to go to Altavista. Go to Yeatts & Rowland General Store, cross the RR tracks, turn right onto rt. 29. The other way was to go to the right at the end of Prospect rd. ( rd didn't have a name then), go to the bottom of the hill(where an Apple Market is now, and proceed across a wooden bridge,one lane, and rattled and wood slapped each time we crossed it. Scary to a young child. Does anyone remember or have any info?
Passed underneath on an Amtrak journey just now. Doesn't appear to have been put back in place yet, but so glad to hear of its positive fate.
I had forgotten that I had taken this picture, this one along with the bridge. As a matter of fact, I had to use this site (and others) to even identify the bridge.
I am sad to hear that the bridge is now gone. I do not even remember taking the above photos. I was going through old photos, and scanning so I could put them on the computer. I all of a sudden came across this one and the Jack's Creek Bridge (which at first I thought where the same bridge). Perhaps later, I will try and "connect" the panoramic views of the three bridges, if I can.
I do want to get out there and check the bridge remnants out.
Completed Dec. 2015: Replace the bridge's original auxiliary drive, install LED lights and make preventive maintenance repairs to the bridge’s superstructure; including deck patching and beam repairs.
As a local I know of yet another name for this bridge... It is called the Nickel Bridge by Richmonders, which is a reference to it's past as a toll bridge.
This bridge is not in Isle of Wight county. From the map it looks to be in Matthew's county
Here's the link to the Pilot article:
Looks like we're going to lose this one. Took me a minute to find it here, as it's actually called the Deep Creek AIW Bridge.
Thought these were pics of the Wasena Park Greenway Bridge. Turns out they were not. So I added and posted them anyways. Not a great bridge but maybe in 75 years...
"Waterloo Bridge Remains in Limbo", Fauquier Now, Jan. 12, 2016.
Post it, please.
I have a picture of this bridge if you are interested.
This might actually be a concrete thru girder, given the roadway width and massive design of the railings/girders. It seems to be listed as a concrete slab on the NBI, which is a common listing for a concrete girder in which the floorbeams are integral with the deck and are not articulated.
connects Lancaster County and Middlesex County
This tunnel connects the independent cities of Hampton and Norfolk but it won't let you indicate that on the site
This tunnel connects the independent cities of Newport News and Suffolk. The site doesn't let you indicate both
Yes. I see it on the map. The alignment may have moved circa 1934. Which means these bridges closed around that time. I am still trying to confirm this. Thanks.
The two bridges you've added at Ruffins Pond appear to have been an old alignment of US17.
Screencap comes from the 1942 quadrangle: http://landmarkhunter.com/quad/18723
I hope you can help me. I am trying to locate who I can contact to acquire this bridge for our home property which is in a historic district.
My number is 3016417679 or email above. Thank you.
Functionally Obsolete is a term to describe a bridge that may not require repair, but does not meet modern guidelines for the roadway it serves. Such a bridge might be too narrow, might have a tight curve or bad line of sight on the approach (vertical and horizontal alignments).
The TR Bridge was built in 1964-66, not 1932.
Where do I find the definition of 'functionally obsolete'?
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I've been looking for yours but haven't found it yet. :(
Coordinates of the storage location are 38.658048, -78.216591
Here's a photo of the bridge where it sits today.
The original bridge has not been demolished. It's sitting less than a mile away in a parking lot next to the Copper Fox Distillery.
Another news piece:
News of the loss:
It would be a miracle if they could whip up enough support to save it.
IT is scheduled to be replaced next year
Semi crossing 1906 bridge
Berkley Bridge 1935
This old bridge believe it or not must still be sound as I witness semi trucks 18 wheeler cross this bridge and average of 3 or 5 a week. I live next to this bridge . Unbelievable
Bridge replaced - new high rise fiexed bridge - partially completed (Veterans Bridge)
Bridge replaced with vertical lift bridge
The old truss is now completely gone.
The streetview map is wrong.
What is there is 9th street looking at the CSX viaduct with an abandoned track going under it.
It should be on I-95 looking towards the city on the southbound side. you should see the viaduct with a train sitting under it after having crossed the river.
Please change it. Thank you.
If the FY 2016 6 Year Plan can be believed, yes, but not anytime soon.
According to this link, this bridge is scheduled for replacement:
Can anyone confirm/deny the status?
This historic bridge can be upgraded to carry 36 tons and can
be preserved to continue in service. This option can be
applied quickly and inexpensively.
Refer to FINAL REPORT A MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR HISTORIC BRIDGES IN VIRGINIA,Copyright 2001, the Virginia Dept of Transportation.
Another bump in the road - 'soft costs.' Hopefully not to big of a bump:
I was mostly joking. They are significantly reworking the crossing and approaches while preserving the historic bridge. The problem is when using this as a reference, the cost may scare others away. I think a better number to use is the incremental cost increase of preserving the bridge.
Art: A few clarifications. First, this is a rehabilitation, not a restoration. Second, the project includes construction of a NEW one-lane bridge (including superstructure and abutments) next to the historic bridge. Third, this will require substantial work to the approaching roadway to accommodate the one-way couplet configuration. Fourth, this project includes the replacement of the existing abutments for the truss with a revolutionary hammerhead abutment design that increases the available space for railroad tracks under the bridge, while not requiring the truss itself to be lengthened. Fifth, this is a DOT bid project, and so like any DOT project you can expect higher per-foot costs, plus costs for DOT oddities... one VDOT project I evaluated included an on-site office trailer to be provided... cost of site trailer: $70,000.
So as you can see, taking all of this into account, you can see how you get up to this project cost, and why the project is a lot more expensive than say, just as a random example, the cost for a historic bridge restoration specialist to restore a 137 foot truss bridge in a non-DOT setting.
I maintain that this is one of the best examples of Section 106 I have ever been involved with, and the solution for this bridge is one of the most creative I have encountered. If all projects involving historic trusses were approached with the open mind and creativity of this project, we would have a lot more success stories in this country.
Also in the HAER!
$5.77M to restore a 5 panel pin connected truss! I predict that they will be gold plating it to prevent corrosion.
We visited this bridge last year. Glad they are being creative.
I'm Jason Smith of the Bridgehunter's Chronicles, an online column focusing on historic bridges. I just read up on the bridge and disaster, and if you want, I'd like to write an article and use your pic posted to get the word out about the info you need and the campaign you are launching to rebuild this bridge. If interested, please send me an e-mail and we'll take it from there.
Thanks and have a nice day.
Some shots of this one:
The towers look to be fully intact and it appears the bridge could be easily repaired.
Starnes is my family name. This bridge has been in our family history for many, many years. I am trying to find out when the original bridge was first put here. This bridge was destroyed March 5, 2015 - last week, by the flood. I have started a petition to move the county to rebuild. I know the history back to the 50s but nothing prior to that. I am attaching a photo of the bridge now. I stood on this bridge with my grandfather, as well as my great grandfather. They were the Starnes' that lived beside of the railroad tracks next to this landmark. Three years ago I was married on this bridge. We just must save it. The state (VDOT) is saying they are going to tear down the rest of it with no plans to rebuild unless the county gets involved.
Thank you for any information you can provide.
The end is near:
I don't believe that's the 1912 bridge though. The details say it was a swing bridge. I'm assuming it was a through truss.
Still exists, but abandoned. Residents trying to get it removed as kids play on it and one drowned last year.
I was wondering the same thing... I am thinking it was posted as demolished when it wasn't... which is a shame.
Is it possible that the bridge is coming down now Orissa this a different bridge?:
Apparently VDOT is now seriously considering restoration! Congratulations to all involved!
The fight continues:
Discussions of preservation vs. replacement:
This bridge was originally built in the late 1800's/early 1900's and was to allow people that lived on the South side of the river access to the town and their work at the C&O railroad yard without the long drive to get across the river via car.
In the early 1900's a teen-age couple jumped off the bridge in the winter when the river was swollen and committed suicide because their parents would not allow them to marry.