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Carpenters Bluff Bridge

Photos 

Photo taken by Jeff McNeiland

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BH Photo #132058

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Description 

Originally built as a railroad bridge for the Missouri, Oklahoma and Gulf (MO&G) Line. Completed in the late summer of 1910, the Carpenters Bluff Bridge was designed to withstand major floods such as the one in 1908 that had destroyed several area bridges. Its design also included a wagon shelf, an extra lane to serve travelers on foot and horseback, as well as horse-drawn vehicles, all of whom had to pay a toll for its use. In 1921, ownership passed to the Kansas, Oklahoma and Gulf Railway Co., which maintained the line until 1965, when the company ceased operations in Texas due to declining rail traffic. The Texas & Pacific Railroad maintained the bridge for a brief time and then deeded it to the counties of Grayson and Bryan. County commissioners agreed to convert the structure for vehicular traffic, and upon completion of that work, the bridge was opened as a free public thoroughfare. (From Historic Marker)

Facts 

Overview
Through truss bridge over Red River on Carpenters Bluff Road (formerly KO&G RR)
Location
Grayson County, Texas, and Bryan County, Oklahoma
Status
Open to one lane traffic and includes a Wagon Shelf extension of South deck
Future prospects
http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/New-bridge-expected-to-be...
History
Built 1910; Renovated for auto use 1965, rehabilitated 1981
Railroads
- Kansas, Oklahoma & Gulf Railway (KO&G)
- Missouri Pacific Railroad (MP; MoPac)
- Missouri, Oklahoma & Gulf Railway (MO&G)
- Rail-to-road
- Texas & Pacific Railway (T&P)
Design
Pratt through truss
Dimensions
Length of largest span: 195.9 ft.
Total length: 1,118.2 ft.
Deck width: 11.5 ft.
Vertical clearance above deck: 19.0 ft.
Recognition
Eligible for the National Register of Historic Places
Also called
KO&G - Red River Bridge
MO&G - Red River Bridge
T&P - Red River Bridge
Approximate latitude, longitude
+33.75611, -96.41056   (decimal degrees)
33°45'22" N, 96°24'38" W   (degrees°minutes'seconds")
Approximate UTM coordinates
14/739842/3738127 (zone/easting/northing)
Quadrangle map:
Achille
Inventory numbers
TXNBI 010920AA0474001 (Texas bridge number on the National Bridge Inventory)
BH 33052 (Bridgehunter.com ID)
Inspection (as of 06/2014)
Deck condition rating: Fair (5 out of 9)
Superstructure condition rating: Fair (5 out of 9)
Substructure condition rating: Fair (5 out of 9)
Appraisal: Functionally obsolete
Sufficiency rating: 59.7 (out of 100)
Average daily traffic (as of 2010)
1,100

Update Log 

  • July 2, 2014: New photo from Beth Wieland
  • April 30, 2014: New Street View added by Luke Harden
  • April 30, 2014: New Street View added by Robert Elder
  • April 29, 2014: Updated by Brad Smith: Counties building new Bridge. Makes keeping this one in place difficult from a historic perspective.
  • February 5, 2013: Merged duplicate pages
  • February 5, 2013: Updated by Luke Harden: Added categories "Texas & Pacific Railroad", "Kansas, Oklahoma & Gulf Railway", "Rail-and-Road", "Rail-to-road", "Railroad"
  • February 5, 2013: Updated by aaron leibold: Add photos, history, truss type and count.

Sources 

  • Jeff McNeiland
  • Brad Smith - gaberdine [at] hotmail [dot] com
  • aaron leibold - aaron [dot] mightypenguin [at] gmail [dot] com
  • Robert Elder - robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com
  • Luke
  • Beth Wieland

Comments 

Carpenters Bluff Bridge
Posted April 22, 2015, by Bobby Lee Payne (bobleepayne [at] yahoo [dot] com)

http://heralddemocrat.com/news/local/commissioners-table-req... By Jerrie Whiteley

Herald Democrat

Grayson County commissioners Tuesday tabled a request to approve a resolution declaring a public necessity to acquire property for development and construction of a new bridge at Carpenters Bluff via eminent domain.

For several years now, Grayson County, Bryan County and the folks with both the Texas Department of Transportation and the Oklahoma Department of Transportation have been working on a plan to replace the 100-year-old bridge that connects Grayson and Bryan County over the Red River.

Under the agreed upon plan, most of the costs for the new bridge will come from the states. Bryan County will be responsible for maintaining the bridge once it is built, but Grayson County is responsible for purchasing the right of way for the project.

Sherman Attorney Peter Munson Tuesday told commissioners that two of the three pieces of property needed have been acquired. He said negotiations are in the works for the third. However, he said, just in case those should fall through, it would be good if the County approved the declaration that would allow the County to use eminent domain to acquire the property.

Grayson County leaders balked at the idea, saying they would rather use eminent domain as a last resort only.

Grayson County Judge Bill Magers asked if Munson thinks there is a chance that an agreement might be reached.

“I am optimistic,” Munson said. However, he noted that there have been months and months of negotiations going back and forth with the land owner to no avail. Also, Munson said that both the state of Oklahoma and the state of Texas have expressed concern that the process of acquiring the land has taken longer than anticipated. Munson said the piece of land still at question is a quarter of an acre that is required by TxDot to support the buttress for the new bridge.

“I am not a big fan of eminent domain,”said Grayson County Judge Bill Magers. He said if there is a way to come to an agreement with the land owner, he would like to see that happen. Also, he noted that Commissioner Bart Lawrence was absent from the Court on Tuesday. Magers said he would rather the full Court vote on the matter before the County agreed to use eminent domain.

Commissioner Jeff Whitmire agreed that eminent domain should be used only as a last resort. He said he would want a great deal more detail about the negotiations before he supported the resolution.Commissioner David Whitlock said he can understand the land owner’s feelings, but ultimately, Whitlock siad, the County has to acquire the land. Both Whitlock and Commissioner Phyllis James agreed to table the matter for at least a week.

In addition, Grayson County Sheriff’s Office Lt. Mark Hudson received the Court’s blessing for the Sheriff’s Officer to enter into a contract to continue to let off duty officers patrol Lake Texoma. Hudson said in the summer months, the GCSO sees about 80 hours a month dedicated to patrolling the lake. He said in cooler months the amount of time devoted to the lake is considerably less. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers repays the County for the hours the deputies work. The contract price agreed to Tuesday was $32,465 for the work.

The Court also approved a request accept a bid proposal for property located at 514 W. Hull, Denison that did not sell at the December 2, 2014 Sheriff Struck-Off Property Sale. Grayson County Tax Assessor Collector Bruce Stidham told the Court the struck off price was $4,954 and the bid accepted was for $6,142 which included the 2014 property taxes that were due.

- See more at: http://heralddemocrat.com/news/local/commissioners-table-req...

Carpenters Bluff Bridge
Posted January 11, 2015, by Jack Scurlock (scurlock [at] gower [dot] net)

Yes, the bridge is open and used daily. Many of the people living on the North side of the bridge (Oklahoma)travel daily to the Post Office Box station to get their mail.

I use the bridge anytime I am traveling to Oklahoma, just for the fun of it.

captjack

Carpenters Bluff Bridge
Posted April 30, 2014, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

So, has the bridge been re-opened? If someone in the immediate area knows for sure, please let us know.

Carpenters Bluff Bridge
Posted April 30, 2014, by Nathan Holth (form3 [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

According to the article, apparently, the historic bridge will be left standing next to its replacement and not demolished which is good news.

Carpenters Bluff Bridge
Posted April 29, 2014, by Brad Smith (gaberdine [at] hotmail [dot] com)

TXDOT & OKDOT building new bridge to replace Carpenter's Bluff Bridge.

http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/New-bridge-expected-to-be...

KO&T Railroad Bridge
Posted February 5, 2013, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

I drove over this bridge a couple years ago. I am surprised to see it closed.

It is an antiquated bridge for sure, but it is the only bridge for several miles in either direction.

Carpenters Bluff Bridge
Posted December 31, 2012, by Brad Smith (gaberdine [at] hotmail [dot] com)
Carpenters Bluff Bridge
Posted May 8, 2011, by Crazy Ed (edwardsed50 [at] aol [dot] com)

May 7th, a bunch of us motorcycle enthusiasts, Panther Creek H.O.G., rode from Allen, Tx. thru the backroads to Bonham and then on more backroads to end up at Carpenters Bluff and rode our 27 bikes/33 folks across the bridge into Okla and on to Durant. It was a pleasure and we are re-discussing it today and for days to come. Thanks!

Crazy Ed

Road Capt/ Safety Officer

Panther Creek Hog

Carpenters Bluff Bridge
Posted April 13, 2011, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Yes, this is a highway-only bridge now. I drove across this bridge in 2009, thus it was open to traffic at that time.

Carpenters Bluff Bridge
Posted April 12, 2011, by Thomas

How can a railroad bridge be obsolete?

Google maps show this is a highway bridge also.

Can anyone confirm?

Carpenters Bluff Bridge
Posted April 12, 2011, by anonomous (anonomous)

t's not on a highway but it is a one lane bridge connecting Carpenter's Bluff, Grayson County, Texas with Hendrix, Bryan County, Oklahoma. The bridge is located east of Denison. Take FM 120 east to Carpenter's Bluff and turn left onto the bridge. Just be careful - wait your turn to cross, and make sure others wait their turn, too!

Attached is a photo of the "piggy back" section of the bridge, on which wagons, pedestrians, and later, cars, traveled beside the tracks. The tracks were taken up and the bed was resurfaced to allow automobile traffic once the trains stopped coming.

KO&T Railroad Bridge
Posted December 16, 2008, by Anonymous

It's not on a highway but it is a one lane bridge connecting Carpenter's Bluff, Grayson County, Texas with Hendrix, Bryan County, Oklahoma. The bridge is located east of Denison. Take FM 120 east to Carpenter's Bluff and turn left onto the bridge. Just be careful - wait your turn to cross, and make sure others wait their turn, too!

Attached is a photo of the "piggy back" section of the bridge, on which wagons, pedestrians, and later, cars, traveled beside the tracks. The tracks were taken up and the bed was resurfaced to allow automobile traffic once the trains stopped coming.

Red River Bridge (KO&T RR Bridge)
Posted November 14, 2008, by brad Smith (gaberdine [at] hotmail [dot] com)

It was a railroad bridge fifty years ago. Today, it is a one lane auto bridge owned by the counties Grayson CO TX & Bryan CO OK). It is quite obsolete here is a link that tells more about it.

http://www.texasescapes.com/CentralTexasTownsNorth/Carpenter...

KO&T Railroad Bridge
Posted November 10, 2008, by Brad Smith (gaberdine [at] hotmail [dot] com)

It was a railroad bridge fifty years ago. It is a one lane auto bridge owned by the counties. It is quite obsolete here is a link that tells more about it.

http://www.texasescapes.com/CentralTexasTownsNorth/Carpenter...

KO&T Railroad Bridge
Posted April 28, 2008, by Thomas

How can a railroad bridge be obsolete?

Google maps show this is a highway bridge also.

Can anyone confirm?