Wes Kinsler

James,

Following the example of Joseph King from his 1993 survey, I have called bridges like your two examples modified Warrens, though a more accurate description would be modified Warrens with verticals. I have in general applied the modified designation to these types that have extra struts & ties in each panel, but do not use them to subdivide panels like the Baltimore, Pennsylvania, or subdivided Warren with verticals types do.

This is an old alignment of US 62

This is Old US 62

The inspection and traffic count data is for the current US 60 pony truss over Sand Creek just west of here.

This is actually the inventory listing for the old US 60 Sand Creek Bridge. ODOT ID: 57D0187N376006 Built in 1930.

Demolished in 2002

According to ODOT's Historic Bridge Survey Phase 1, this bridge, 40E1225N4775000 was built in 1911.

I will check in Fairview then. What is the full structure number? I'm guessing its 47N2542E0500004?

Looks like it is a Luten arch.

James,

Your website has a lot of neat features presently that make it a nice place to visit and view bridges. I too, like the idea of not seperating the post 1970 bridges from the earlier structures. This preserves the chronology of some structures better, and makes the older bridges that much more significant when you can compare them to their mindane replacements, and even makes the mundane replacements look worse when you can compare them to bridges that have been moved/rehabed or new bridges that will be landmarks and not UCEB's.

Since this does seem to be a history orientated website, a seperate place for non-bridge things seems like a good idea, but having the dams and canals in with the bridges kind of transitions this into a historic civil engineering website, and I see merits of that too. Maybe add in historic standpipes (water towers). The seperate website could be for the more architectual items of intersts such as the mills and barns, and maybe add in old schools, churches and courthouses to that list too, as in many places these are dissapearing or are already gone and it would be nice to have a place to preserve their memory.

As for Pennsylvania and cancer, I find it amazing for a state such as Pennsylvania, which to on the surface, and stereotypically to many other, is interested in its history or celebrating its history and old ways with its well-known Amish communities is not engaged at all in historic bridge preservation. Thanks to sites like this, I've seen so many amazing, unique, landmark bridges that have been or soon will be destroyed. Beautiful bridges, destroyed without thought or hesitation. So, to the cancer question, I think Pennsylvania will destroy all their historic bridges, and end up buying one from some other state when some unforseen need comes up where they have to have a preserved historic bridge for some ceremony or anniversary or something....they'll cure cancer first either way.

-Wes Kinsler

Oklahoma Historic Bridge & Highways Group

I think you have this one confused with the one on 77 Scenic. This one is still standing-or at least it was when visited in 2008:

http://okbridges.wkinsler.com/love_county/hickorycreek2.html

Webmaster's note: The photos that were here have been incorporated into the main site.

WOW!!! Thanks for that clarification, James.

Still, it is too bad they are not considering any repair options.

"The foundations were constructed in the 1920s of unreinforced concrete. It's too dangerous to work around and too dangerous to repair."

Unreinforced concrete? Is he serious? I cannot possibly imagine a large bridge such as that, built in the late 1920's, having any unreinforced concrete. That is insane.

Maybe to him, anything concrete without pre- or post-tension reinforcing is not "reinforced".

This smells rotten...

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