Yup Michael... It's a Pratt through. This was probably originally a 2-span Bowstring and one of the spans was compromised in some way and replaced by the Pratt.
looks like a Whipple Bowstring and a regular Pratt truss.
It'd be pretty cool to find the two different Whipple types together though :)
Looks like a Whipple Bowstring to me - not to be confused with a Whipple truss.
Squire Whipple invented his own Bowstring design, which inspired other bridge companies to create their own patented Bowstrings.
He also created the double - intersectional Pratt truss which became known as the Whipple truss.
Thus, Squire Whipple ended up having two completely different types of bridges named after him. This often confused those who are trying to learn truss terminology.
2 Whipples or just one?
James as you can attest from your 2009 visit this bridge is almost not possible to grasp in photos just how many smoots WIDE this bridge is. Looks like a parking lot!
This Bridge is in Monroe county also.
This bridge is in Monroe county. I live a mile away and have known this bridge for 66 years.
Previous bridge Whipple bowstring
BIG Laminated arch
Groton does seem likely now, comparing details with other extant ponies it does seem similar. Thanks Nathan!
This bridge is mostly like a product of Groton Bridge Company based on the lattice and the cast iron pin caps, and the location within New York State.
I was hoping for a builders plate somewhere to clear up the mystery of who built this, but if course I was disappointed. What I was able to find from my site visit though is that this has several unusual details, which rule out the larger builders. The pin style is not one I've encountered before, the verticals have doubled up rivets on the X lacing (individual instead of overlaid), which seems redundant and thus a product of a smaller manufacturer then a large scale cost-effective operation. The use of Battens for the upper chord, while not unheard of for 1900 is also somewhat unusual as they were on the wane by this time.
The truss is decorative at this point, as steel stringers carry the load. In the last few years the floorbeams have also been removed, further degrading its historical integrity.
Nice find! This is clearly a lenticular pony truss. Whats more interesting though is how the center two panels are parallel, indicating this is likely a very early example from the Corrugated Metal Co. era...probably circa 1880.
The No 9 Railroad Bridge was built in 1904. It is actually the fourth bridge in to span this part of the Deleware River. The flag stop "Tusten Station" stood right past the bridge on the NY side. Further down the line - about half a mile down the track, you will see the remants of the TU Crossover tower and cabin. The cabin is still standing, and there is a ton of garbage in the woods around it (also home to quite a few timber rattlers, watch your feet).
Interesting little find here, quite significant as far as local history goes due to its association with the towns largest industry.
It doesn't look like it has long to live though, the northern abutment has been completely undermined and is beginning to shift, putting quite a bit of strain on the truss. The upstream lower chord is completely bent out of shape, and the northern endposts are already quite out of alignment.
in the 1950s we would skip out of school and go jump off the bridge into Guilford lake--
Appears to be one of Squire Whipple's products!
...And sounds like a town that should be in Oregon.
Here is a picture of the church building I believe is visible in the photo:
Chenango River Bridge or Cady Mills Bridge: pic attached from 12/27/13 by Geraldine Clark, Greene NY
ORIGINAL SITE: MAIN STREET, BROCKPORT. HAD THREE MAIN MEMBERS, TWO ROADWAYS, TWO SIDEWALKS. WHEN BROCKPORT GOT A LIFT BRIDGE, MOST OF THE WHIPPLE ARCH WAS RE-USED ON THE CANAL BUT JUST TWO MAIN MEMBERS. WHEN THE BARGE CANAL WAS BUILT, EHRMENTRAUT GOT THE TWO MAIN MEMBER VERSION AND HAULED TO THE LOCATION WHERE IT IS NOW.
THE FIRST MOVE WAS DONE BY THE CANAL FORCES, AND THEY WOULD HAVE STORED OR RE-USED THE THIRD MAIN MEMBER. VERY LIKELY IT WAS SCRAPPED UNLESS IT WAS RE-USED AT ANOTHER LOCATION.
I had read that but forgotten - been distracted by other things. Thanks for reminding/correcting!
Thus, unfortunately, no chance of a stored third truss.
Art, I would like to draw your attention to my existing documentation of this bridge (prepared with help from Jim Stewart some years ago). As you will see, the bridge has been moved twice and by the time the bridge was moved to this farm, the third truss line was long-gone, having been disposed of during the first move. http://historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowser=ne...
While I realize the third truss line wasn't reused, If the farmer bought the bridge, wouldn't he buy the whole thing? If so, I would assume he made use of the third truss line around the farm rather than sell it for scrap. I could be wrong but, it seams reasonable. Just a thought.
Built in conjunction with NY Penn Station; both were wonders but only the bridge still stands.
Happy belated 100th birthday.
THE BUILDER OF THIS WAS JOHN HUTCHINSON. THE THIRD MAIN
MEMBER WAS NOT RE-USED WHEN THE BRIDGE WAS MOVED FOR THE
FIRST TIME. THIS BRIDGE IS PRIVATE PROPERTY.
Art it is worth the trip! No one around and didn't want to trespass so didn't go on or under. Appeared to be in fine shape of course wood deck maybe on a 20 year time frame for replacement but of no significance. There were deer and human footptints leading to it but doesn't look like it sees vehicle traffic.
Awesome indeed! This one is on my bucket list to see. Wonder if they kept and stored the third truss line when they moved the bridge. I doubt it, but wouldn't put it past a farmer to do so.
If I recall, Nathan has some great and detailed shots of this one on his site.
Then studied the inventors also since 2000 past 17 years as a student then I drawn just about every single movable bridge type rolling lift bascule bridges heel trunnion bascule bridges bascule bridges single and double leaf double decker bridges lift and swing bridges so I came across bridge hunter and that is the Great source of inspiration for bridges especially with maps
Well as a kid grown up in Ohio I
started drawn ore loaders and ships after I had a dream of a rail bridge of a jackknife type then few days later I seen the actual structure in the raised position abandoned next to Jefferson street and West 3rd street. I started drawidrawing this particular bridge and years later at 12 years old I explore this bridge and ironic this railroad bascule bridge had the counterweight high up above the tracks. Then I explore another bridge next to the Lorain Carniege bridge years later I studied movable drawbridge types around the United States and Canada and foreign bridges at the university library
Douglas how did you know we were visiting this bridge today? Now that's bridge hunting!
Visited this bridge today, AWESOME! Clearly and prominently marked as private. All photos from public right of way using digital zoom tech. Kudos to whomever preserves this one.
so what got you interested in bridges?
Found a few additional pics in my trawling of the internet. This bridge was a fascinating little bit of engineering!
We can glean a few additional facts:
-The builders plaque looks to be a Groton Bridge Co. (Fits for the area)
-The truss webbing follows a Baltimore/Pennsylvania configuration
-The upper/lower chord configurations suggests that this is operating more as a cantilever then a straight suspension. Note the inversion in both the upper and lower chords from tension/compression to compression/tension (respectively) when it comes to the suspended span (I love how easy it to see what members to what in pin-connected bridges).
Thoughts on this?
Doug believe this is your bridge.
That is a Strauss heel trunnion railroad bascule bridge of a Lower Buffalo River Drawbridge that's not a Scherzer type rolling lift bascule bridge.
south Park and DLW draw
Is there some pictures somewhere of this second railroad Scherzer rolling lift bridge of the upper Buffalo River? There's a Nickel Plate Scherzer type in the raised position abandoned next to the CP Buffalo Creek Strauss Heel Trunnion Bascule Bridge
This lift bridge was designed by Squire Whipple and worked with John A L Waddell and John Harrington on vertical lift bridges.
The design of the builders plaque in the postcards clearly matches Owego Bridge Co. It also fits for the area.
Love these postcards...keep 'em coming :)
Mr. Butler this one cries out for your artistic tough! ALWAYS enjoy your art.
According to maps from historicaerials.com, this line (The New York Central's Castleton Cutoff, per the map.) and what is now the CSX line merge/split at Stuyvesant.
I have been trying to find evidence of the tracks this was connected to - it's not the current CSX or Amtrak lines. The CSX line is my property boundary up to Schoolhouse road. I walked up there but didn't find evidence of another rail line where this one crosses 9J. Anyone know anything?
Nice research Luke, not sure of the Latin or Scottish but you're Awesome!
Beautiful bridge, and I think closing it to vehicle traffic was smart to prevent a terrorist attack. I want to keep locations looking nice, and they did the right thing to build a new bridge and keep the old one for pedestrian and cycling traffic
The bridge is open to bikes and pedestrians. I go there every now and then. It's a popular site on weekends. I was there yesterday (2/26/17)
I walked over it today, the wood deck feels solid (though there are a few tiny holes that allow you to look into the creek). Anyone know when and why the bridge closed?
Bridge plaque still there. Deck is shot but bridge appears to be in remarkably good shape. Needs rust help but no section loss visible. Abutments appear fine, concrete probably 1970's Original blue stone abutments used as rip rap. Does vibrate when you walk on it. If it had deck would not hesitate to drive on it. HAVE driven over far more questionable spans.
Looks like an Owego Bridge Co. plaque. Given the area that would fit.
That thing is amazing.....others that look similar? Never seen one quite like it.
This should be categorized as a Network Arch. Actually it is a network tied arch. Ted Zoli of HNTB was the designer. The design was driven in part from the installation methodology. The entire main span was lifted from barges using strand jacks.
e.g. These long-lost Dean & Westbrook bridges you've found.
Bridge was closed for repairs but has reopened to traffic.
This looks like a Cooper patent tubular arch, see this extant example:
The original bridge was built in 1873, this bridge is a 1901 replacement that reused that bridge's substructure.
Actually it was open in 1873
Looks like Doug took picture in 2010 so after "Rehab". Know it sounds crazy but from the one photo looks like deck pulled. Steel set over existing bridge and then redecked. Its better than scrapping it. If I get up that way Ill take a look underneath to see if truss carries any load or just railing.
NBI still shows build date as 1897 with a 2005 "Rehab"...
However, it is listed as a "Steel Stringer" so I am thinking that if the trusses still exist they are decorative guardrails now.
Doug is this bridge still here? Thanks
...In other words, if I had read Michael Q's post first I would have just concurred with him! ;-)
Connection in pic #2 identifies this as a Canton product, missing the little cover plate that would have the builders name on it.
Nice find! And a pin-connected bridge as well!
I'm pretty sure this is a Canton Bridge Co. product. The hip joint has a missing piece covering the connection between the endpost and upper chord meet, and 2 nuts where the cover was formerly mounted are visible.
This is identical to what I found on a 1901 Canton bridge over in Essex County (with the plate intact):
A muted statue of the Virgin Mary received the revelers, a few hundred of New York City's fortunate elite, as they navigated the recesses of the dark, cool caverns underneath the Brooklyn Bridge on the Manhattan side. An orchestra struck up the first chords of the "Blue Danube." The ladies were careful not to lean against the slanted, peeling walls and the men minded their coattails. Amidst the stacks of wine crates stamped ANTHONY OECHS & CO., couples began to waltz. A bottle of fine champagne was passed around as a waiter produced a tray of crystal glasses. Overhead, Depression-era Packards and Hudsons motored along at a roaring 20 mph. It was July 11, 1934, and as The Pittsburgh Gazette eagerly explained, "the dry era" was finally over.
It was a celebration of new beginnings. When the Anthony Oechs wine distributors moved to the Brooklyn Bridge's wine cellar, dormant for almost two decades — the vaults would once again do what they had been built to do when they were established in 1876, seven years before the bridge was even opened for travel.
The wine cellars had originally been constructed as a sort of compromise. As chief bridge engineer, Washington Roebling (and his father John A. Roebling before him), developed plans for a roadway connecting Brooklyn and Manhattan, the question loomed over what to do with two establishments that were in the path of construction. On the Brooklyn shore of the East River, Rackey's Wine Company was doing steady business, and on the Manhattan side, Luyties & Co., sold its liquor to thirsty New Yorkers.
Roebling saw an opportunity to offset some of the bridge's massive $15 million construction costs. It was an ingeniously perfect fit. The design of the bridge would allow for two wine cellars, one on each shore, along with several other vaulted chambers, to be incorporated into construction. The chambers would be rented out to local businesses, which used them mostly for storage, to help pay off the city's debt.
Roebling's plan worked, both architecturally and financially. According to The New York Times, as the bridge was erected in the 1870s, the wine vaults were built "beneath the ramps that lead up to the anchorages, within the arched granite and limestone approaches that span the intervening streets."
Over the course of the next 40 years, several different liquor vendors would utilize the cellars below the bridge. City records indicate, for example, that in 1901, the "Luyties Brothers paid $5,000 for a vault on the Manhattan side of the bridge," located at 204 Williams St., while in Brooklyn, "A. Smith & Company" forked over $500 a year to rent a wine cellar from 1901 until 1909.
Storing wine under the bridge made perfect sense. The caverns below the 60,000-ton granite entrances were dark and consistently cool, ideal places to house even the most delicate vintage Bordeaux, Burgundy or Champagne. And as the vaults became home to wines from across the globe, the dingy walls of the cellars were enhanced to reflect that heritage. The winding maze of caverns was transformed into a painted "labyrinth", with the names of French streets—-Avenue Les Deux Oefs, Avenue Des Chateux Haut Brion— stenciled overhead. Over time, the cellar walls were festooned with illustrations of provincial Europe; designs of sinewy leaves and purple grapes trailed along the stucco in subdued hues.
Later, the waltzing guests of 1934 would take a turn surrounded by cellar walls which displayed long-faded quotations, such as this one, attributed to either Martin Luther, father of the Protestant Reformation, or Johann Heinrich Voss, a German poet:
Who loveth not wine, women and song,
He remaineth a fool his whole life long.
No one remembers exactly when the statue of the Virgin Mary made its way to the small alcove in the Manhattan cellars. Legend has it that a vendor may have transported the stone figure, plucked straight from the Champagne cellars of Pol Rogers in Epernay, France. Those who saw the Madonna statue watching over the bridge's caverns likened the ethereal scene to Italy's Grotto Azzurra, or the Blue Grotto of Capri. The statue mysteriously disappeared sometime around 1942, but the sobriquet lingered.
By the late 1910s, as America debated the vices of liquor, the wine was moved out and the cellars were converted into newspaper storage. But the end of Prohibition in 1933 enticed new wine distributors. The storied celebration on July 11, 1934 was held in honor of Anthony Oechs & Co.'s move into the bridge's blue-black caverns. Champagne once again flowed through the Manhattan vaults. For just a few years, the era of the Blue Grotto would be reborn. After World War II, for logistical reasons, the city of New York would take over permanent management of the cellars.
But the rare few who have been allowed to visit the historic cellars in the past half century say they can still sense the spirits that once occupied the extraordinary space. If you squint hard enough, they claim you can make out a final homage to the cellars' past imprinted in the 1930s on the crumbling wall: "Legend of Oechs Cellars: These cellars were built in 1876, about seven years prior to the official opening of the Brooklyn Bridge in 1883. From their inception, they housed the choicest wines in New York City."
Doug believe this bridge was a mile or so due west over 2cnd Erie Canal not over Genesee River, concur?
Seems a likely candidate for having been a replacement for an earlier wooden bridge. The Rochester and Attica Branch, Conesus to Caledonia, is said to have been opened in 1853. The Pratt truss was invented a bit before this date, but, considering that the original Portage High Bridge was built in 1852, and it was a wooden structure, then seems likely that there was an older one here.
The tops of the abutments appear to have been raised some. The steel rest upon concrete but the abutments are of limestone. Perhaps the approaches were made higher so as to be further above the flood plain. I wonder if the odd massing of the abutments was to provide for greater stability in the even of flooding, which was routinely severe on the Genesee.
There are recesses carved into the abutments. Possibly being an attempt to shore up an older bridge which was being subjected to heavier loads as time went on.
I have dealt with this issue a couple times myself. Most recently, I found one of my photographs of the Pott's Ford Bridge in Cloud County, KS on Wikipedia. The editor had claimed the photo as his own. I reported it to Wikipedia and they responded within about an hour to notify me that it would be removed. About an hour after that, the image was gone.
I would have been happy to grant permission if the editor had asked and given credit.
This sort of thing does happen from time to time. I usually contact the newspaper directly via email and ask them to either credit it or remove it. They have usually addressed my concerns. My personal recommendation (for extra protection) is to include a "Copyright (date) and All Rights Reserved" in your captions for each photo on Bridgehunter, since copyright protection statements are not clearly displayed anywhere near photos on Bridgehunter. Technically they should not be required (copyright as I understand it should be implied by mere creation and publication) but it definitely may help. Most publications display a copyright notice for this reason.
As for the bridge, very sad to see the SHPO thinking that a new bridge would look similar to the historic bridge. Its possible if fabricated by a company like Bach Steel, but doubtful that this is what they are considering.
I was checking the news for info on this bridge. Looks like it hasn't been demolished *yet* as there is an impasse between the The New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation, who don't seem to concerned with preservation as much as replacing it with a "similar" modern warren pony truss, and the town who wants a arch bridge. It looks like the only agreement is that no one is concerned with the rare and unique bridge that they have.
One a different note is the photo accompanying this article. When I found it there was no credit byline...evidently they just grabbed the picture off BridgeHuunter and rolled with it without crediting myself or the website. I've had a few publications ask to use my work before (which I'm always happy to oblige), but this was the first time I've come across one of my pictures being used without permission. I notified them that I retained all rights on my work and to either appropriately credit me or remove it. Never heard back, but at least I got the credit byline on it.
Anyone else have this happen? Best way to deal with it?
Art S this one posted at 8 stopped and LOOKED before I drove over it.
Pin connected - likely earlier than 1930.
Looks like this bridge will not be here much longer. Oneida county was given a grant to replace it.
Good Movie Railing.........
Good Movie Railing......
1911 Stringer. Not what would seem to be historic. However just announced today to be replaced 2018. Closed Yesterday after snow plows brought up HUGE chunks of concrete along expansion joints. Patched and reopened today. 1911, Stringer, truss, T-Beam, Arch. Once they are gone...............
Douglas, trying to sort out sequence on this Crossing could this be BH 26316 by Mr. Kerr? Has picture of replacement being built. Believe sequence to be 1826-1901 ArtS contribution, Then 1901 to 1940 a three span through truss, Then the one in your drawing till 2008 UCEB. Your opinion?
Gov. Cuomo fix our historical bridges..we all pay a lot of taxes..no reason for this to continue.
Now it's closed again..gov cup of fix our bridges, ,
I believe the first couple photos are not the correct bridge. They belong here: http://bridgehunter.com/ny/washington/4418130/
Agreed Nathan, that was actually my first conclusion. It looks like Canton might also have used this style of railing though, hence my guess:
Not a lot of detail in the photo, but the railing looks like Berlin Iron Bridge's design.
That looks like a Canton Bridge Co. design to me. It would fit for the area
That's a postcard of https://bridgehunter.com/ny/saratoga/hvr-anthony-kil/
any idea where this is?
In 1907 the construction of this stone arch bridge was planned and supervised
by Patrick J. Delay, the master mason of the Delaware and Hudson Railway.
Explosives were used to blast away slate, to make a shelf on which the cut stone
for the arch and wing walls were laid. The creek was placed in a wooden box constructed by Patrick J. Delay's workmen. This was a bridge for an interurban railway which in the same year built a station in downtown Saratoga Springs constructed by Bartholomew Gaffney & Son of the same city.
Indeed this is still extant and is at the fairgrounds, although it has no deck and is not in use. Hopefully any changes to the status are positive ones!
I don't think the postcard image is of this bridge.
possibly old Pennsylvania street? Hancock where two rivers meet..............
Your red location marker is in the wrong place.
This bridge crosedd the WEST branch of the Delaware.
Slide your marker due west a short distance to the west branch
That's the Bronx Kills span, its a special design (based on Warren truss) because it was built as three fixed through truss spans, specially configured for easy future adaptation to a vertical lift design (towers and machinery would have been constructed on the bridge).
Similar provisions were made for the Hell Gate Bridge's Bronx Kills span, except that bridge was intended to be a Strauss bascule rather than a lift. Ultimately the conversions never happened with either bridge.
Is there a name for this type of truss design?
Photographs 23-28 are of the http://bridgehunter.com/ny/new-york/triborough-lift/
And a perfect example of what should happen with an historic bridge on a low ADT road!
Happened upon this bridge on August 24 to observe the finishing touches on a restoration. Photos show the installation of wooden floorboards.
Photo 2is actually Conesus Lake Outlet Bridge BH46251
This is a nice find, its a shame it isn't extant! With strut bracing in the first panel it puts construction around the the time of the 2nd patent on the design, so I'd guess within a couple of years of 1885 as the birthdate for this one.
Note that the strut bracing on the main span is aligned against the end of the approach deck span, and that there appears to be a brace beneath the approach span from abutment to end of the main span. Its interesting as the otherwise quite similar Livermore Falls Bridge didn't have these details.