That's a Groton Bridge Co. production, I'd guess around 1890 based on the design details . The portal cresting is unusual, don't think I've ever seen that style used before.
Great find as always Dana!
Hi, Gents......You've posted a great picture of the bridge, but I think that you need to check the given length of the main span Parker Truss for a 'typographical error'. I had inquired to find out the date and extent of the repairs to the main span which attached bolted plates to some of the hangers, lacing bars and for change-out sections for the bottom lateral system. I noticed (yesterday) some pockets of corrosion on lacing and other members which seemed to have been covered by a relatively recent paint job. It is a monumental task to keep after all the structures on the LIRR right of way.
Thanks for your hard work in putting this site together.
Has this bridge been open??
Did they operate this bridge when doing the repairs to it??
Contacted operator at 1631-904-3050 who said the openings are scheduled every hour on the half hour. Call on marine channel 13 or above number. In past years, I have not gotten a response on the radio and had to call US Coast Guard in order to get a response from the bridge operator.
Do you know that this particular Whipple type truss bridge was a bascule bridge once built ? usually in the Upstate New York they're several vertical lift bridges that lifts horizontal straight up
This is the bridge that was next to the Whipple truss pedestrian bridge, so what's the info saying about the Onondaga County link below ? is this bridge of West Genesee drawbridge identical with the bridge in Monroe County of Rochester or the Lyell Avenue drawbridge is the same bridge next to the Whipple truss bridge?
Moved pin to Rt 5 Crossing Erie Blvd. After Canal abandoned, Filled parts closely follow Erie Blvd.
This one I moved from Genesee River to Erie Canal Modern path, and I believe in this section was also original. Parts of Canal moved a few times so Can be Confusing. Again Nice find.
Not positive of old canal way. Actually going to Syracuse in a couple of weeks. Ill ask locals. Good find by the way. YOU ROCK DUDE!
Dana this location I'm not sure but this bridge was called the Knife bridge on Lyell Avenue in Rochester years ago the internet had a actual picture image posted of Rochester Historic Memory.
Hey Dana you know about the location about this bridge is the location correct?
Visited this bridge. While obviously well thought of by Chili in DIRE condition. While not being worked on today, has evidence of such. Traffic here is very fast be careful! Masonry arch bridge also owned by Chili visible from deck
Visited this bridge today. It IS in the river! Will visit at lower water. Could get picture from replacement but alas Batteries Died!
Bummer! Another irreplaceable bridge gone...
That has happened to me too many times. There was one road trip I managed to layout a route that got me past 12 or so un-photographed bridges. And at least 3 of those I found gone when I got there.
Did you get a picture of the replaced or missing bridge, just 'cause?
And then, either update the bridge information, or let us know if it's removed, replaced, or whatever so the website can be kept accurate.
Found a video from Alpine Construction of them putting this bridge back in place during its 2016 rehabilitation:
In my site visit I found the trusses themselves to be in very good shape for how long this bridge has been closed. As you can see in the pictures there is no signs of stress deflection/deformation in the members, and no rust/rot problems. Newspaper articles from when it was closed were not explicit about the problems this bridge had, other then it was 'unsafe'. Couldn't have been that bad, as the bridge has stood for over 30 years since its closure.
I see nothing in the attached photos to suggest that this unique span is in danger of collapse or even beyond the point of being rehabilitated for adequate use as a pedestrian bridge. The ignorance of the "Hysterical" Preservation Committee is especially heinous.
Is this bridge in danger of collapsing? Why wouldn't they keep what they have and not waste money on a new bridge if it just going to be used for pedestrians? This makes no sense otherwise.
Just went to try and snap some more pics of this bridge and found that it has been removed!
This bridge has been replaced with a new cement slab. Hoped to get pictures of the old bridge before it was torn down.
That is good news. Excellent work, Michael!
Some good news! Looks like reports of this bridges demise are premature.
I've gotten in touch with the historical society for Delhi, looking for a confirmation of the fate and any info/pictures they might have of this one. From what is known, the bridge has passed into private ownership and is now located somewhere in the nearby town of Franklin NY ("Sitting in someones garden" as it was described to me... No information as of yet on who or where). Not ideal of course, as a rare lenticular through truss like this should be preserved and publicly displayed, but I think we'd all prefer to see them anywhere other then being cut up for salvage.
The historical society will also be following up on any other info or pictures they can find, so I'll certainly pass along what is found.
Sad. What a waste.
At least the replacement is a truss (polygonal Warren?), even if it is a modern bolted, welded, CorTen truss.
Bing streetside view shows it quite well, as well as the nearby sunbathers.
My 2 cents worth...
Perhaps someday, Victorian Era Wrought Iron bridges will not be considered eyesores by the public. I think that it is starting to happen based on what I have seen in Kansas in recent years. (an appreciation of abandoned iron bridges).
Of course, in Kansas, we have no wooden covered bridges. Thus, we have no choice but to appreciate the Wrought Iron variety.
Too bad this one couldn't be saved. It sat in a field just east of the crossing from March of 1992. Things looked good for awhile; a donation from the College Association at Delhi, Inc. of a 10-acre plot to display the bridge was accepted by the town. Plans were scrapped when it was discovered that lead in the paint and sand-blasting would cost about $100,000. Locals complained it was an eyesore and dangerous. Sometime after 2006 it was removed; no buyers could be found and it was likely scrapped. Google Earth Historical Imagery shows the bridge in the field in 11/2006--after that its gone. Bing Maps Bird's Eye has a good view of it.
Getting repainted. And according to the article this photo shows the previous bridge. A king bowstring. https://www.lansingstar.com/around-town/13904-red-bridge-to-...
Truly a historical and economic tragedy for the town of Yorkshire and the village of Delevan, that the town fathers at the time did not see the future economic impact that retaining the covered bridge could have had in tourist activity in the area!another quaint symbol of the past discarded and viewed as "progress"! Sad indeed! On the bright side, Israel is back in its ancestral homeland! Happy days!
This bridge was again rehabbed sometime in the early 2000's with a complete paint job, a new deck and new approach spans. It just goes to show that many of these nice old structures can be saved if they wanted to save them!
Advocating the restoration & re-purposing of this bridge on www.Facebook.com/Herkimertrolleybridge as page administrator
Thanks for getting out to this one so fast Dana! Glad to see and hear that's it's still in good condition. Now if only we could get it rehabilitated and preserved...
Some lenticular truss bridges (not this one) also have a false bottom chord, which is actually an edge bracing.
This bridge has a bit of an optical illusion. Typical of a Lenticular truss, the bottom chord is above the deck. The heavier horizontal member is actually a deck stringer. The Lenticular bottom chord is very lightweight compared to the stringer. In this respect, a Lenticular truss can fool you into thinking that it is a Parker if you cannot see the bottom chord.
Other than the deck this bridge is in remarkably good shape. Looks like it was abandoned not because of condition but because it doesn't actually go anywhere anymore.
Awesome find Michael!
I VISITED THE BRIDGE SOME YEARS AGO AND COMFIRM MICHAEL
QUIET'S COMMENTS. IT'S BEEN ABANDONED SO LONG THAT
THE LOCAL OFFICIALS DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. (I USED WADERS
AND WALKED UPSTREAM A BIT TO GET THERE. ASSUME THE RAILROAD IS ACTIVE AND BE CAREFUL.)
Always happy to add an extant Lenticular pony truss, even if it is abandoned! While looking for info online I was also happy to find that the HistoricBridges team has already documented this bridge. Pictures and info here:
Made this interesting find following up on old records for Lenticular trusses. This could very well be a a 3 panel model, as the length of about 40 feet fits perfectly. Unfortunately it looks to have collapsed into the river, but given its remote area and the fact that its been abandoned for almost 70 years means removal isn't likely. Field visit and documentation is definitely needed to confirm though!
This bridge is not in Yonkers. It is in the city to the east of it; Mount Vernon, NY.
Stopped by this bridge today and talked to the crew. Truss was cut up and went to Ben Weitzman and Son Binghampton NY. not sure if shredded yet but if anyone was interested in parts and pieces could contact Weitzmans.
Inundated towns are always a sad, but interesting story.
Look up "Granton bridge NY" in google image search to see pics of a two span Parker that was abandoned intact as the waters of Cannonsville Reservoir rose over it.
Granton would've been around 42.096986, -75.256459 and the bridge was on the road that disappears into the water to the north, I assume.
Built 1907, per this web page:
Builders plaque and portal cresting is a solid match for Owego Bridge Co.
Worked LAB for twenty years before retiring 5 1/2 years ago. Great place to spend the day.
Currently photographing this bridge - and noticed the east span is a swing span! I see no equipment installed nor does it look like any were installed. This could have been built when the Black River Canal was still operating?
Unfortunately, I think that the manufacturers of these MOB's (or Modern Ugly's as I like to call them) like to tout them as being "just as good" as the historic spans they replace. And while maybe they are stronger, in no shape or form can they match the integrity of those iconic structures that are lost. Weather the powers that be 50 or so years from now deem these modern trusses as historic remains to be seen. But for now I can't understand the logic that is used (Not Used!) in most of these situations. While I have no problem with these modern spans being used in new applications, I will always abhor them replacing an historic bridge that can be rehabilitated.
Something must have changed in the last few years with NY's approach to historic bridges, as my last couple of jaunts through upstate NY (Clinton/Essex counties) have shown a large number of historic bridges lost, either being replaced by modern welded pony trusses or in the most recent ones just UCEB's. Even some of the more modern 1930's have been subject to replacement in the last few years, despite still being in relatively good condition.
The loss of this bridge is a surprise. If you visit Nathan's page (see link), this bridge looked like it had a relatively new coat of paint. Plus, it was in New York, a state which from what I can tell has an exceptionally good track record for preservation.
I checked this on ACME Mapper : it's on an abandoned railroad alignment on a predecessor to Conrail Railroad.
No, I did not. This was taken in 2015. I need to revisit since I live only an hour away now.
Nice Shots Sherman! Have been to west end of this one, hard to get plaque view due to angle and trees. Did you venture out on deck to feel vibration?
Thanks for the kind words! The trick is to look underneath the arch. Tthis area is called the barrel or intrados. The multi-plate arches should have the corrugated metal visible underneath. If you see smooth concrete (or concrete with a pattern of boards), then it is more likely to be a stone-faced concrete arch. If you see spray-on concrete (shotcrete, gunite, having a rough texture) it may be a true stone arch which was repaired. The example you have used here is a rare example of what appears to be a true stone arch built in the 1920s because I can see a pattern of stones underneath . It is rare because the 1920s and the 1930s is when the concrete arches with stone facing became more common. The multi-plate arches showed up ca. 1932.
Nathan similar time frame with stone facing, is their a term for these? Thanks for all you do by the way. YOU ROCK DUDE!
Beautiful... And very unusual portals!
who built this bridge
Gov.cuomo.please get these bridges fixed...it's so sad to see this.
Interesting, a span separated by the island in the creek. Looks to be shorter in height than the through span with the Whipple, but rather long.
Yep, the second postcard does indeed show a third span. Interesting.
Maybe a three?
Yup Michael... It's a Pratt through. This was probably originally a 2-span Bowstring and one of the spans was compromised in some way and replaced by the Pratt.
looks like a Whipple Bowstring and a regular Pratt truss.
It'd be pretty cool to find the two different Whipple types together though :)
Looks like a Whipple Bowstring to me - not to be confused with a Whipple truss.
Squire Whipple invented his own Bowstring design, which inspired other bridge companies to create their own patented Bowstrings.
He also created the double - intersectional Pratt truss which became known as the Whipple truss.
Thus, Squire Whipple ended up having two completely different types of bridges named after him. This often confused those who are trying to learn truss terminology.
2 Whipples or just one?
James as you can attest from your 2009 visit this bridge is almost not possible to grasp in photos just how many smoots WIDE this bridge is. Looks like a parking lot!
This Bridge is in Monroe county also.
This bridge is in Monroe county. I live a mile away and have known this bridge for 66 years.
Previous bridge Whipple bowstring
BIG Laminated arch
Groton does seem likely now, comparing details with other extant ponies it does seem similar. Thanks Nathan!
This bridge is mostly like a product of Groton Bridge Company based on the lattice and the cast iron pin caps, and the location within New York State.
I was hoping for a builders plate somewhere to clear up the mystery of who built this, but if course I was disappointed. What I was able to find from my site visit though is that this has several unusual details, which rule out the larger builders. The pin style is not one I've encountered before, the verticals have doubled up rivets on the X lacing (individual instead of overlaid), which seems redundant and thus a product of a smaller manufacturer then a large scale cost-effective operation. The use of Battens for the upper chord, while not unheard of for 1900 is also somewhat unusual as they were on the wane by this time.
The truss is decorative at this point, as steel stringers carry the load. In the last few years the floorbeams have also been removed, further degrading its historical integrity.
Nice find! This is clearly a lenticular pony truss. Whats more interesting though is how the center two panels are parallel, indicating this is likely a very early example from the Corrugated Metal Co. era...probably circa 1880.
The No 9 Railroad Bridge was built in 1904. It is actually the fourth bridge in to span this part of the Deleware River. The flag stop "Tusten Station" stood right past the bridge on the NY side. Further down the line - about half a mile down the track, you will see the remants of the TU Crossover tower and cabin. The cabin is still standing, and there is a ton of garbage in the woods around it (also home to quite a few timber rattlers, watch your feet).
Interesting little find here, quite significant as far as local history goes due to its association with the towns largest industry.
It doesn't look like it has long to live though, the northern abutment has been completely undermined and is beginning to shift, putting quite a bit of strain on the truss. The upstream lower chord is completely bent out of shape, and the northern endposts are already quite out of alignment.
in the 1950s we would skip out of school and go jump off the bridge into Guilford lake--
Appears to be one of Squire Whipple's products!
...And sounds like a town that should be in Oregon.
Here is a picture of the church building I believe is visible in the photo:
Chenango River Bridge or Cady Mills Bridge: pic attached from 12/27/13 by Geraldine Clark, Greene NY
ORIGINAL SITE: MAIN STREET, BROCKPORT. HAD THREE MAIN MEMBERS, TWO ROADWAYS, TWO SIDEWALKS. WHEN BROCKPORT GOT A LIFT BRIDGE, MOST OF THE WHIPPLE ARCH WAS RE-USED ON THE CANAL BUT JUST TWO MAIN MEMBERS. WHEN THE BARGE CANAL WAS BUILT, EHRMENTRAUT GOT THE TWO MAIN MEMBER VERSION AND HAULED TO THE LOCATION WHERE IT IS NOW.
THE FIRST MOVE WAS DONE BY THE CANAL FORCES, AND THEY WOULD HAVE STORED OR RE-USED THE THIRD MAIN MEMBER. VERY LIKELY IT WAS SCRAPPED UNLESS IT WAS RE-USED AT ANOTHER LOCATION.
I had read that but forgotten - been distracted by other things. Thanks for reminding/correcting!
Thus, unfortunately, no chance of a stored third truss.
Art, I would like to draw your attention to my existing documentation of this bridge (prepared with help from Jim Stewart some years ago). As you will see, the bridge has been moved twice and by the time the bridge was moved to this farm, the third truss line was long-gone, having been disposed of during the first move. http://historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowser=ne...
While I realize the third truss line wasn't reused, If the farmer bought the bridge, wouldn't he buy the whole thing? If so, I would assume he made use of the third truss line around the farm rather than sell it for scrap. I could be wrong but, it seams reasonable. Just a thought.
Built in conjunction with NY Penn Station; both were wonders but only the bridge still stands.
Happy belated 100th birthday.
THE BUILDER OF THIS WAS JOHN HUTCHINSON. THE THIRD MAIN
MEMBER WAS NOT RE-USED WHEN THE BRIDGE WAS MOVED FOR THE
FIRST TIME. THIS BRIDGE IS PRIVATE PROPERTY.
Art it is worth the trip! No one around and didn't want to trespass so didn't go on or under. Appeared to be in fine shape of course wood deck maybe on a 20 year time frame for replacement but of no significance. There were deer and human footptints leading to it but doesn't look like it sees vehicle traffic.
Awesome indeed! This one is on my bucket list to see. Wonder if they kept and stored the third truss line when they moved the bridge. I doubt it, but wouldn't put it past a farmer to do so.
If I recall, Nathan has some great and detailed shots of this one on his site.
Then studied the inventors also since 2000 past 17 years as a student then I drawn just about every single movable bridge type rolling lift bascule bridges heel trunnion bascule bridges bascule bridges single and double leaf double decker bridges lift and swing bridges so I came across bridge hunter and that is the Great source of inspiration for bridges especially with maps
Well as a kid grown up in Ohio I
started drawn ore loaders and ships after I had a dream of a rail bridge of a jackknife type then few days later I seen the actual structure in the raised position abandoned next to Jefferson street and West 3rd street. I started drawidrawing this particular bridge and years later at 12 years old I explore this bridge and ironic this railroad bascule bridge had the counterweight high up above the tracks. Then I explore another bridge next to the Lorain Carniege bridge years later I studied movable drawbridge types around the United States and Canada and foreign bridges at the university library
Douglas how did you know we were visiting this bridge today? Now that's bridge hunting!
Visited this bridge today, AWESOME! Clearly and prominently marked as private. All photos from public right of way using digital zoom tech. Kudos to whomever preserves this one.
so what got you interested in bridges?
Found a few additional pics in my trawling of the internet. This bridge was a fascinating little bit of engineering!
We can glean a few additional facts:
-The builders plaque looks to be a Groton Bridge Co. (Fits for the area)
-The truss webbing follows a Baltimore/Pennsylvania configuration
-The upper/lower chord configurations suggests that this is operating more as a cantilever then a straight suspension. Note the inversion in both the upper and lower chords from tension/compression to compression/tension (respectively) when it comes to the suspended span (I love how easy it to see what members to what in pin-connected bridges).
Thoughts on this?
Doug believe this is your bridge.
That is a Strauss heel trunnion railroad bascule bridge of a Lower Buffalo River Drawbridge that's not a Scherzer type rolling lift bascule bridge.
south Park and DLW draw