Cool,Dana and Kay.I should be up and running by summer.Best time to go bridgehunting with my fiancee who I should be married to.I could threaten cold feet but she wouldn't believe me.
Hey George didn't mean to "get" you or anyone! Just found it fascinating,always enjoy hearing from Berks County Bridge Hunter George.
Thanks Dana and Kay.I thought it was somebody under the influence or out of character.I understand the game.Next time I see it I'll know whose behind it,I think.By the way,you got me!Good one!
Good morning George it was test and you passed! what3words. Alternate geolocater tool. Easy to remember compared to digits. For example: roses.target.tiger Takes you to Kansas! Would go well with Smoot for website redesign! George just seeing who noticed, you are first!
Can I ask what is this babbling all about?Don't see no mention of the bridge or thereabouts.
Looks like proof of the legend that once long ago there was more than one Triple Whipple Bridge... ie a triple intersection Pratt.
Good news: The bridge will be taken apart and be reused in another location. See: http://www.wellsvilledaily.com/news/20171207/parts-of-tappan...
Good news: The bridge will be taken apart and be reused in another location. See: http://www.wellsvilledaily.com/news/20171207/parts-of-tappan...
Location says its in Jefferson heights. Its actually in the village of Catskill. Within village limits.
Jeff heights starts approximately a 1/2 mile Northwest of this bridge up the hill.
The map attached to this bridge places it in the wrong town. The bridge leading to Milton McGlashan's farm is located in the hamlet of Maplecrest, which is in the Town of Windham, Greene County, NY.
Bridge has been done for 8 weeks, when is it going to open?
I read the article about this bridge being possibly renamed.Seems A lot of people are against the Cuomo name on this bridge.We will see what happens,won't we?
For posterity, my backing of John's splitting entries argument is based off this https://books.google.com/books?id=BXNJAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA252&dq=e... which shows that only the substructure dates to 1875, and we date by superstructure, not substructure.
Very recent imagery of the 2nd and 3rd (or 3rd and 4th) bridges here.
(Posted on Rochester reddit two days ago by the photographer himself.)
My understanding is that this replacement became necessary as a direct result of the shale oil boom in the southern tier and that the NYS/Letchworth State Park officials were not the least bit interested in preserving the old span as a pedestrian walkway at any point in the process.
If you are familiar with this area you just might want to go sniffing around the internet for pictures of it during Hurricane Agnes in 1972; particularly the Middle Falls.
Historic media refers to the current iteration as the third and mentions it was a reconstruction.: https://books.google.com/books?id=X1E0AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA1184&lpg...
Not convinced it was replaced as added to. Not sure though, 4 bridges with additions makes logical progression.
I actually think there should be a fourth, the 1903-present structure. If the entire superstructure was replaced in 1903, I would consider it a separate bridge from the 1875 structure. I'm not quite sure why everyone calls the existing bridge an 1875 structure.
This really should now be split into 3 bridges.
1) Erie RR wood trestle built 1851-2. Burned May 6th 1875
2) Current bridge as of two days ago! opened July 31st 1875 closed December 10th
3) New NS Arch
If the iron was replaced by steel in 1903, wouldn't that indicate the bridge was replaced at this time?
Never can tell. I suggest leaving it up so that someone may be inspired to make a visit and see what it is.
Probably just aprivate frankenbridge then. Delete?
Historicaerials shows a junkyard on the east bank in the 1960s
Former Wellsvile, Addison & Galeton RR bridge. The railroad was abandoned in 1972.
This bridge has been rebuilt and is now part of the WAG rail trail
Built by the Buffalo & Susquehanna RR circa 1905.
This bridge was replaced with a new truss in summer 2017.
Don't worry about the trolls on here. The nasty comment that somebody left has been deleted. Unfortunately there have been a few trolls that have popped up on here every now and then. That seems to happen to just about every message board on the internet.
Trust me, I have had plenty of grenades thrown at me back in the day. The best thing to do is just keep contributing and ignore the one or two anonymous negative people who come crawling out of the woodwork on occasion.
Well, Sure. Iíll stop commenting about bridges since youíre asking me nicely.
the bridge is fixed and now reopen
A Parker truss is a sub-type of the Pratt truss...
So it at least gets half credit! ;-)
OK, You had to know this was coming.
If it was Pratt's bridge, Why on earth wasen't it a Pratt truss?
Do you know the builder of any of these stone bridges?
But the media loves to reference this site as if it were official
Just sayin' ;)
I have noticed that quite a few commenters mistakenly think that Bridgehunter is an official government website.
That seems to be a point of confusion on here.
Perhaps you don't understand.
This website is for bridge lovers, not bridge haters.
NYSDOT Region 11 had better replace this one, but I doubt they'll even take it into consideration.
Like Robert, I have chosen to ignore those comments as simple observations and move on.
I do recognize others' complaints, though. It is not within the scope of this forum to suggest replacement, we do not make those decisions, nor do we typically favor replacement.
I sometimes wonder if one of the regulars here is posting comments that others seem to find annoying under two names.
My observation is that this particular bridge has a technical drawing, but not a photo. (So far.)
I'm not gonna die on this hill, just seconding that it's unnessecary, not to mention counterintuitive to historic preservation, a goal espoused by many here.
Eh, I figure that there a bigger hills to die on...
I also figured that some movable bridges will eventually get replaced by non movable ones. In fact it is happening already. The Pocahontas bridge in Arkansas comes to mind. I drove over that one not realizing how soon it was going to get blown up.
Or we can make it known that he doesn't need to comment on every single movable bridge entry, implying they need replacement because they aren't opened
If his comments are factually incorrect, then we can correct them them. If they are neutral then just ignore and keep scrolling if they bother you. No need to drop bad words...
I'm going to have concur.
Not with Robert, but with telling Nathan to stop, as his comments don't really add anything of value to the site.
Let's keep it family friendly...
I thought this bridge still operates, but since the traffic signals are no longer there, it looks like it no longer operates. I think itís time to get this vintage movable span replaced with no draw span.
Matthew, my comment was meant to help you cite the image you'd uploaded properly, not to encourage you to delete it
It was released into the public domain by the author, so it was usable.
For what it's worth, the Wikipedia page for the bridge has two other usable images from the same creator, also released into the public domain.
Matthew, for Wikimedia Commons imagery, it would be better to link to the page like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Patroon_Island_Bridg... instead of to the actual image itself
This image is in the public domain, so it's usable, but you should still give credit to Howard C. Ohlhous.
Keep on uploading from Wikimedia, just make sure they're CC or PD, as there's some copyrighted stuff lurking on there.
Matthew: Who are you and why are you posting copyrighted photos from my website HistoricBridges.org as "Creative Commons License" on Bridgehunter without permission? I don't recall giving permission to post my photos, and I certainly have never authorized anyone to ever post any of my photos under a Creative Commons License. You are welcome to link to my website using the External Links function on this website, but these photos were the result of thousands of dollars of travel expense that I bore personally out of my own pocket, so please respect that I offer these photos for viewing free of charge on HistoricBridges.org under Copyright with All Rights Reserved. Posting them here on Bridgehunter without my permission under a false licence is both redundant and not allowed under copyright.
A great bridge well cared for and protected. Bucket lister for sure
Barry thanks for info and good luck with preservation Efforts. Herkimer County appears to really appreciate there bridges!
Additional info on civil engineer Frank Osborn: http://www.structuremag.org/?p=930
I was looking in the Reading Eagle yesterday being Sunday as it was and saw a picture in the paper of one of the bridges being open to northbound and southbound traffic.The second bridge is still under construction.Also the original bridge is still standing by the looks of it in the picture i saw.The picture showed all 3 bridges but i don't know which side of the Hudson River it was taken.
Culvert, but pretty nice one..............
Main span lowered to a barge in July 2017:
One of many videos of explosion 1 Oct 17:
Bridge was imploded October 1, 2017
NBI Lists this as a cullvert
Definitely older...I would assume that 1954 is a relocation date. I'm inclined to think that this is a circa 1890's Groton Bridge Co. production, as the pins and use of Battens in the upper chord conforms with their standards (although the verticals are much more built up then other extant examples). Nice find!
James thanks for locating, believe this bridge to be older than 1954 and probably relocated here. Nice find!
I grew up along the canal and wondered if it was ever opened,especially observing the Erie Railroad Warren through-truss bridge upstream by a few hundred yards which was NOT a moveable span,and obviously having the same water level clearance as the NYC (now CSX)bridge.The Erie bridge was removed in the early 1980's after the line was abandoned in 1977 as a result of the creation of Conrail.In the early 1920's the New York Central railroad's main line from Buffalo to Niagara Falls ran alongside,and through,Main St. in the cities of Tonawanda and North Tonawanda,a very busy rail line with much "street-running" (as in streetcar operation),creating substantial hazards for pedestrian and vehicular traffic (the passenger depot in Tonawanda on this original line routing survives today restored as The Historical Society of the Tonawandas,and a cement pier from the original Erie Canal crossing still exists along the Webster Street bridge connecting the Tonawandas).Due to increasing rail traffic,the NYC relocated the mainline that not only consisted of the Erie Canal drawbridge,but several concrete arch spans with an elevated route supported by massive earthworks,in the City of Tonawanda.During the time of the rail relocation project,the State of New York was at the time actively planning to enlarge the Canal to accommodate ocean vessels. (The enlargement plan never became reality,but was revived briefly during the 1960's as "The All-American Canal",obviously a snub to Canada's Welland Canal).With the canal's expansion plan was very active at the time of NYC's relocation project,the railroad decided to make the new span over the Erie Canal a drawbridge suitable for all but the largest ships,as a pro-active measure to prevent the expense of later conversion,or reconstruction,as well as traffic delays and disruptions should the canal expansion ever became reality.
The drawbridge was only opened twice shortly after construction,and the backup gasoline engine (the primary power source was electric motors)was removed and became a casualty of one of many WW II scrap drives.
I last visited the bridge during the early 1990's and took many photos of some of the mechanisms that locked the moveable span (many shafts and gears).I deeply regret that I never visited the control or Bridgetenders house on top of the bridge,fearing arrest from treaspassing,although I believe that it was gutted long before,as it was a favorite hangout for kids and was heavily vandalized.I would love to see,if it ever exists,photos of the bridge when it was opened,as well as a shot of the span at night with all of its light fixtures,railings,etc. intact and functional.
It's now approaching a hundred years since it was built,and opened...span locks and rail joints long removed,hinge joints,bearings,gears,levers and shafts forever frozen from corrosion and non-usage,and no power plant to operate it.The railroad track it carries is solid,no provision to separate at the movable span separation points.This bridge will never open again.
Never mind. My error.
That's the Oswegatchie River.
Why was this section of shoreline difficult for the railroad?
For Pete's sake learn to spell Susquehanna!
As per an article printed in the Reading Eagle on 8/25/17 Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Thursday formally introduced a new $4 billion bridge named for his late father that will carry 50 million vehicles a year across the Hudson River in the New York suburbs.A ribbon cutting ceremony was held for the 3 mile bridge,which links suburban Westchester and Rockland counties along the New York State Thruway north of New York City.The Gov. Mario M. Cuomo bridge,launched by the state Thruway Authority in 2013,will replace the Tappan zee Bridge,a critical link in the Northeast U.S. highway system.One span of the bridge will open to westbound traffic tonight,signalling near completion of the project to replace the 62 year old Tappan Zee.The second span is scheduled for completion in the spring,aimed at improving the ride for Manhattan commuters and truckers looking to skirt the traffic choked city 25 miles to the south.Anybody else aware of this?
I saw an abandoned truss bridge where the n/s rail crosses other railroad tracks between Electric Ave and Rte 5.Anybody know about this bridge?It's next to another truss bridge which is being used.
April 8th 2024!
Wonder if its still there under water!
Looks like an even longer version of this one:
The design details are quite similar, so its probably a Groton Bridge Co. production, circa 1890. Its kinda cool that more then just one of this unusual continuous pony truss was made.
An updated photo from July, 2016
The last time I drove over this bridge they removed the the traffic gates or guards that go down when opened, I've never seen this bridge open, I heard it was last opened in 1992, any info on this?
I'm curious to know why the corner lot (where the base of a factory still is) is not part of the bridge project. Why isn't there is a lane (going north) from 787 through that lot onto the bridge?
Well, it is an awesome bridge...
Othmar H Ammann nominations coming SOON!
this is behind the harpurrsvile [spelled wrong] high school by the football field, i personally be leave[speeled wrong] that when they officially make this the rail train it will eathier be torn down or be rehabed but will cost alot this is 108 and is a mark of railroads that should stay as a memorial to the D&H
Glad Paige got photos, GONE!
The mirrored knee bracing on the portals and struts was commonly used by the Horseheads Bridge Company during the 1890's.
End shot circa 1908
That's a Groton Bridge Co. production, I'd guess around 1890 based on the design details . The portal cresting is unusual, don't think I've ever seen that style used before.
Great find as always Dana!
Hi, Gents......You've posted a great picture of the bridge, but I think that you need to check the given length of the main span Parker Truss for a 'typographical error'. I had inquired to find out the date and extent of the repairs to the main span which attached bolted plates to some of the hangers, lacing bars and for change-out sections for the bottom lateral system. I noticed (yesterday) some pockets of corrosion on lacing and other members which seemed to have been covered by a relatively recent paint job. It is a monumental task to keep after all the structures on the LIRR right of way.
Thanks for your hard work in putting this site together.
Has this bridge been open??
Did they operate this bridge when doing the repairs to it??
Contacted operator at 1631-904-3050 who said the openings are scheduled every hour on the half hour. Call on marine channel 13 or above number. In past years, I have not gotten a response on the radio and had to call US Coast Guard in order to get a response from the bridge operator.
Do you know that this particular Whipple type truss bridge was a bascule bridge once built ? usually in the Upstate New York they're several vertical lift bridges that lifts horizontal straight up
This is the bridge that was next to the Whipple truss pedestrian bridge, so what's the info saying about the Onondaga County link below ? is this bridge of West Genesee drawbridge identical with the bridge in Monroe County of Rochester or the Lyell Avenue drawbridge is the same bridge next to the Whipple truss bridge?
Moved pin to Rt 5 Crossing Erie Blvd. After Canal abandoned, Filled parts closely follow Erie Blvd.
This one I moved from Genesee River to Erie Canal Modern path, and I believe in this section was also original. Parts of Canal moved a few times so Can be Confusing. Again Nice find.
Not positive of old canal way. Actually going to Syracuse in a couple of weeks. Ill ask locals. Good find by the way. YOU ROCK DUDE!
Dana this location I'm not sure but this bridge was called the Knife bridge on Lyell Avenue in Rochester years ago the internet had a actual picture image posted of Rochester Historic Memory.
Hey Dana you know about the location about this bridge is the location correct?
Visited this bridge. While obviously well thought of by Chili in DIRE condition. While not being worked on today, has evidence of such. Traffic here is very fast be careful! Masonry arch bridge also owned by Chili visible from deck
Visited this bridge today. It IS in the river! Will visit at lower water. Could get picture from replacement but alas Batteries Died!
Bummer! Another irreplaceable bridge gone...
That has happened to me too many times. There was one road trip I managed to layout a route that got me past 12 or so un-photographed bridges. And at least 3 of those I found gone when I got there.
Did you get a picture of the replaced or missing bridge, just 'cause?
And then, either update the bridge information, or let us know if it's removed, replaced, or whatever so the website can be kept accurate.
Found a video from Alpine Construction of them putting this bridge back in place during its 2016 rehabilitation: