Scratch my previous comment. God forbid any truss bridge be preserved. Now they are changing their mind and want to demolish the bridge http://www.concordmonitor.com/home/3632597-95/bridge-roberge-commission-council
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Get a load of this article http://www.concordmonitor.com/home/3144066-95/bridge-boscawen-canterbury-historical the engineer says the bridge could collapse at any moment. What a crock. I know what a truss about to collapse looks like and this is not it. If they want to waste tax dollars bulldozing a historic bridge fine but don't hire an engineer that is going to be Captain Drama and scare people into supporting demolition.
It is in Campton, none so far from the Plymouth line.
A short walk from Rt 3. I don't believe there is any signage, but there are some well used pullovers on the east side of 3 which are a bit of a landmark, which also suggest it and the Gorge do see frequent visitors.
According to Google, it's in Plymouth, NH, an hour and 24 minutes drive from you.
I am looking for a hidden beautiful bridge for my sis to take yoga shoot photos of me for my portfolio, can you please let me know where this is located? We are in Nottingham, NH
New Hampshire, never a friendly place for bridge preservation, seems on a tear lately for taking down the last of their surviving historic metal truss bridges.
The Depot Street Bridge and the Memorial Bridge of Portsmouth were to be removed in 2012. The Memorial Bridge was rated the highest in value but was removed for a replica that is widely celebrated.
The NH Department of Transportation could give PennDot a run for its money in hostility towards bridge preservation. The state is proud of its hard-boiled, pro-business climate that actively eschews using monies for culture, preservation, education, tourism, or aesthetics.
New Hampshire increasingly conservative nature makes money set aside for preservation projects highly unlikely. But even the liberal daily The Concord Monitor has been editorializing mightly for the replacement of the Sewalls Falls Bridge near its printing plant.
The preservation groups in NH are cowed and wouldn't even come out to support a bill I sponsored advocating a historic bridge storage depot for storing historic spans for reuse. This was modeled on Vermont's successful one.
My advice for those wanting to see truss bridges in Northern New England? Go to Vermont!
Steven W Lindsey
I remember back in October of 2008 when I visit Suncook, NH that I was so confused when the GPS mapping tool I had borrowed showed a bridge just to the right where the actual bridge was and I couldn't figure it out for the longest time until someone at a local subway explained that there was an older bridge they had replaced a year ago.
Yes, the west side of the bridge is overgrown with massive poison ivy. Unless you are immune, its easier to photo from the east side.
Visited the bridge Jully 14 2012. Nice to see. Seems the East bank of the river is good for viewing and pictures. Come in from Canterbury Exit 18 on I-93.
I was pleasantly surprised to see this bridge is apparently to be rehabbed and become part of a one way couplet. One way couplets are excellent preservation solutions for busier roads needing two lanes. Sadly however, they are rarely actually built. http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/272780/sewalls-falls-project-hits-speed-bump?SESS24933fc1f5c1239d914ceb0745e0638b=google
"Under the new plan, the towns will erect historic, educational monuments where the ends of the bridge once were." Yeah, great idea...this article claims that the bridge is a liability--as if so many people have injured themselves since 1965--any records? Anyone? This is a sensible solution? Let's waste as much taxpayer money as possible by spending big money to demolish a perfectly intact historic bridge and put up plaques about what we have done, rather than do a little sandblasting, repairing the existing railing, rehabbing the deck, putting on a coat of paint, and clearing trailway at either end so people can really educate themselves by actually getting to see an engineering marvel like this for themselves--for a fraction of the cost of demolition and removal! Makes perfect sense to me!!! I think new barf bag dispensers should be installed next to these plaques--once taxpayers realize just how much of their hard-earned money their elected officials wasted on this ridiculousness, they're gonna need them!! /8>Q
Sadly this Bridge is now doomed - http://tiny.cc/s0xfdw
It's none so far away I'll try to get over to snap some photos sometime soon.
It was designed the NH's fist appointed State Engineer, who I wrote about in a recent weblog entry >
I too would like nothing more than to see this amazing structure restored...and for you to be involved in it!
I'll bet you could replicate those original railings as well!
For those that know me or Know of me I have been involved with inkind restoration of these beautiful structures for quite some time ........This bridge above all deserves to be restored it would be an honor and a dream come true to be involved in the restoration of her....
Posted a reply to the forum under a different heading, just did not want to see this thread expand when the jist of the conversation was only tangentially tied to Livermore.
I'll trip back up to the Gorge in a month or so when the melt is done and river levels drop to normal, and both snap some better photos and check on what has become of the collapsed span.
I have been viewing and commenting on BridgeHunter.com for several years. Let me comment on a few items in response to comments from a couple people below.
1. The top half of the page is the "Bridge Page" I have not included anything against covered bridges in this section. I created an unbiased, fact-based page for the bridge here.
2. The second half of this page is the "Forum Page". This is a place where people are allowed to express comments, including opinions. Many people express views I don't agree with elsewhere on the website, however I understand this is a place for people to have different opinions.
3. I am sorry if I conveyed the idea that I have something against New Hampshire in particular. The problem with covered bridges is nationwide and due to Federal Policy. While New Hampshire's bridges may be town owned and may be preserved due to the decision made by these folks, these folks have made this decision while accepting funds from the Federal Government's National Historic Covered Bridge Preservation Act (15 bridges since 2000). There was never a National Historic Metal Truss Bridge Preservation Act for example. Non-covered bridges receive no funds. They have to beg for Transportation Enhancement Grants, or get funding from mainstream bridge funding which requires them to be on-system, meet modern loading and geometry, and have a sufficiency over 50%.
4. I have never stated that covered bridges should not be posted on BridgeHunter.com. I have never questioned adding covered bridges to BridgeHunter.com. I only merely question the proportion of tax dollars that get spent preserving covered bridges versus other historic bridge types.
I agree with Will's thoughts. There's nothing wrong with preserving the few covered bridges left, in addition to the metal trusses. The covered bridges are direct ancestors of the metal trusses, and still exhibit rare truss configurations that aren't found on any metal truss.
The forum pages are getting cluttered up with the endless diatribes against covered bridges. And there were a couple more yesterday, bashing that very attractive new covered bridge in Ohio.
I took a look at the webmaster's page describing his goals for this site, and covered bridges are included. So if they're acceptable for the site's owner, then including them is no one else's business. Nathan has his own site, which is the appropriate place for his rants.
Thanks for the page Nathan, I am pleased to have had a small contribution on finding this bridge from clear across the country. A very interesting design, I am pleased pictures are beginning to be submitted for this structure.
You're making it hard for me to want to add photographs to this listing, with your having chosen to use it as a vehicle to again post your dislike for wooden bridges, and to do so this time, with false assumptions about my states political structure.
I cannot in good conscience, add photos to the listing and seemingly rubberstamp sentiments I do not agree with, without first speaking my own mind.
I do not understand how you have come to equate a victory for the preservation of a wooden bridge, as one in the loss column for those working to preserve other types, nor can I agree with your oft repeated claim that most wooden through truss bridges fail to retain a large percentage of original material, or that trusses constructed of other materials have a naturally superior service life to one made of wood which sees proper maintenance to its cladding. I've done preservation and maintenance work on many, and have surveyed hundreds in at least ten states and wholeheartedly disagree with both statements.
There is no long existing grand scheme preservation plan here in New Hampshire that has led to what might seem to be a disproportionate number of still existing covered bridges. In truth and in irony it is the political structure which has led both to the preservation of those bridges, and the abandonment of this one. It is our Town Meeting form of Government, that coupled with Yankee thrift. It is the people here, who decide major town expenditures in our every citizen has a say and a vote form of democracy.
With but one exception I can think of, every wooden bridge in the state is Town, not State owned, it was the people in those towns with their yea or nay, at individual Town meetings, not some faceless bureaucrat in the states capitol that chose to keep those bridges in service.
The money which built the Livermore Falls Bridge was in all probability provided to the town by the land raping Lumber Baron who built and owned a number of mills in town including one in the Gorge on the west bank of the river within sight of this bridge, all part of an infrastructure he developed to strip every cent of revenue represented in the last vast stand of timber then left in the state, in the Sandwich Range which stands to the east of town.
With the demise of that mill in the Gorge the primary purpose for the bridge also ceased to exist, and the people would have seen little reason to vote to repeatedly fund reflooring it. Just as in casting a vote to fund repair instead of replacement of a bridge, it is often the pocketbook that drives how the majority decides.
One might look at the other side of that same coin. There was not a decision to fund a replacement either, which is the only reason the truss is there to hope to save.
Are you kidding me...a Lenticular deck truss!!!
What an unbelievably amazing structure...even in it's derelict state!
What an incredible one this would be to restore...as it should be!
Here is a page I have created for the bridge. Please do post additional photos.
I find it extremely disturbing that this lenticular truss bridge, which probably could be argued to be nationally significant, has been allowed to sit abandoned, and one span allowed to collapse. This bridge is as rare as or rarer than any of this state's many preserved covered bridges. It is just as deserving of preservation. Furthermore, this bridge, if restored, would retain a far higher quantity of original bridge material than most covered bridges, since the iron of this bridge does not deteriorate in the way wood does.
However the collapsed span remains and the preservation technology is available to restore even badly damaged collapsed trusses. A full restoration of both spans for pedestrian use as soon as possible is the only acceptable option I see for this bridge.
The lift span arrived by barge eighty nine years ago -
After multiple delays in suggested schedule this week, it today leaves as it arrived -
Demolition is ongoing. Main span removal this week.
Locals bid their bridge farewell - http://vimeo.com/33684834
I have known about the "Upside Down Covered Bridge" since I was a kid. I knew it had been burned many years back but was pleasantly surprised to find out it is still standing. And even better to hear it is going to be put into use and preserved!
I found this bridge today by accident, but anyways, this bridge is the only upside down covered bridge left in the united states. The bridge was burnt and lost its original wood covering, but still stands with the truss intact. there are plans to refurbish and open it on a trail. I'm not sure how to upload haer stuff, so I have posted the haer link on here.
That span is a rare variation of a retractile type movable span. I call it a variation because the span must be raised a short distance before being rolled back which is unlike most retractile bridges.
Not mentioned is that fact the SM Long bridge has a lower deck for the railway (now just a spur to the Naval Shipyard) and that lower deck has a drawbridge, usually left open, under the fixed span on the Maine side under the fixed span.
The attached photo is by JayDuck and copied from the Wikipedia page for the Long bridge.
Sometimes I feel sorry for how blind the general public is to the reality of the bridge world. These people apparently were led to believe that the replacement bridge would look as nice as the historic bridge. Only now, in the end, do they realize their grave error. This project is a perfect example as to why attempting to replicate historic bridges fails. If the community likes a historic bridge, only the preservation of the historic bridge is acceptable. HNTB thinks the replacement bridge is awesome because it is a truss without gusset plates. Great, that just makes the bridge look even more plain and ugly. You eliminate rivets, built-up beams, v-lacing, lattice, bracing, and what do you have left? A truss that is what I call a "Toothpick Bridge." A truss so plain and simplistic that it has lost the qualities that make a truss bridge beautiful.
This sure does look like the bridge! If it really is a Moseley bowstring it would not be possible for me to overstate its historic significance and rarity with only one or two other bowstring bridges built by this company surviving.
As for the press, I am not surprised that they would get the location wrong. Whenever I read or hear news about a subject area I am knowledgeable in (like bridges) I am amazed at how many errors are made.
If somebody gets a new page going for this bridge in NH it would be nice if James Baughn could transfer this forum chain to the new page. I think our discussion here is an excellent example of how BridgeHunter and its contributors can work together to solve a mystery and expand the Internet's coverage of historic bridges.
The listing of this bridge is "fair". How about a new paint job and a little maintainence? This is a real gem and with some TLC what a neat bridge it will be.
I note that there is a good view of this bridge on BING that could also be linked to this record.
It seems to lack the "W" shaped girders that a Warren has though. It looks more like a Pratt through truss to me. It appears to start out as a through truss with the top curving down, meeting the railing, and then curving back up. As the top curves down closer to the rails, the overhead beams disappear. Strange.
Oh okay. Thanks.
Ben, we are both right......there are actually three so called foot bridges....the one you are referring to is the new one, which i am in the process of adding, this one, which is the old footbridge, and then the "old old footbridge," which is our "mystery" bridge that we all have been sweating bullets and loosing sleep over.
I believe the pedestrian bridge is just southeast of where this one has been pinned at on the map. The current coordinates seem to be another pipe bridge.
Just found out that this bridge is on the NRHP as part of the Monadnock Mills complex in Claremont, NH and so, it no longer being a mystery, will be called the "Monadnock Mills Bridge."
This is the newly created page for the "Unknown Bowstring Bridge (see http://bridgehunter.com/vt/windham/mystery-bowstring/) that is incorrectly listed in VT. Since the bridge is now confirmed to be in a completely different state and county (Sullivan County, VT) is is necessary for a brand new page for this bridge to be completed. The "Mysterious" in the name of the bridge title remains until someone gives more accurate details about this bridge--its name, history, etc.
Ok, now that it is pretty much confirmed that this bridge is actually in NH and not in VT, I am going to create a brand new page for this bridge with its listing in the correct location (NH), due to the fact that one cannot transfer a bridge page across state lines, or county lines for that matter.
So, assuming it is alright with everyone else, and it seems the best thing to do for this bridge, I am going to create a brand new page for this bridge so it reflects its actual location. Then I will upload the photos that are already used for this bridge, from the old page. Then once that is done I will request that the old page will be merged or deleted.
What makes no sense to me is what started this whole thing is a news story whose subject is flooding in VT but used video footage from NH all the while saying that the flooding is in Brattleboro, VT. As I see it, this is an "EPIC FAIL" in basic geography skills (or lack thereof) on part of the press.
All the way from California... this sure looks like a match to me. I just did some surfing in BING looking at the larger context and all the buildings and visible white faced walls match up with the video. And, by the way, there is another historical steel truss just downstream next to another old mill....
I'm pretty sure that IS the bridge in question.
also who ever decides to add the page after we confirm this. Here is the builders info.
13. Mosley wrought-iron bowstring arch-truss bridge, built in 1870, carried employees, equipment, and utility lines across the Sugar River from Monadnock Mill No. 6 to the vicinity of the gasworks. It is a rare surviving example of this type of bridge, and was one of the first of its kind built in the United States.
Moseley Iron Bridge Company
I believe I have found it by the luck of the Vermont historic bridge inventory guy named Bob. He recommend I got to St, Claremont NH. Were I found a bowstring in the same condition, the deck that me and Tony saw was actually a pipe line running across it, and the angle is not a straight on angle but a more oblique angle as you can see in the bing image I have included.
also there is a haers photo of it here.
I'm pretty sure I'm on the nose this time.
Nathan - I can tell you there is a very similar Plate Girder in Campton which carries traffic over the Pemi,and does not seem to be in this inventory.
I am in town with some frequency, (though distracted at the moment) and will try to find out more.
The HAER documentation for this bridge says that it was made prior to the "planned removal / partial reconstruction of the existing structure in Campton, NH" I am unsure what part of the bridge was reconstructed or exactly where in Campton any part of this bridge was moved to. Anyone with information is encouraged to post that information here.
The attached PDF report from the state SHPO indicates that this nationally significant historic metal truss bridge is at significant risk for demolition. Also note that according to another SHPO report, "Compared with the forty-three metal truss bridges still in use, New Hampshire has fifty-four covered bridges."
That metal truss bridges, both newer and more permanent in design, would number less than covered bridges suggests a serious shortcoming in NH historic bridge preservation policy.
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I am skeptical of that assumption Tony. The image shows a row of buildings to the right and a wall of water coming down towards the camera. The location suggested seems at first the easy answer as there is a bridge there but the buildings? A Bing eye view indicates a parking lot. Buildings in the area there are on the south not north. To match the TV image and visualize the water would have to be moving East to West, which is not possible. Unless the buildings were quickly added since the satellite fly-by? One building has a faded look to it so I doubt that.
The bridge location currently suggested connects two parking lots, presumed active, in use.
Give Bing a try and look around.
Or look here for flood photos of that site.
That bridge was built in 2003: "A pedestrian bridge will be placed across the Whetstone Brook between the Preston Parking Lot on Flat Street and the Brattleboro Food Co-Op parking lot for the duration of the project."
I am going to go ahead and do the following and update some of the bridge info:
I will add the gps coordinates to reflect that the bridge is, indeed, the little pedestrian bridge that is in question. I will also rename the bridge the "Brattleboro Pedestrian Bridge" until someone either finds out the actual name of the bridge or the name of the creek that it crosses. Either way, when more accurate info can be gathered on this bridge we can update then.
Always glad to add my 2 cents.
The more I look at the picture, the more I believe it to be the bridge that J.P. spotted on satellite imagery. I think the bridge on the news footage does indeed have a deck that is mounted above the lower chords and appears to slant downward slightly away from the buildings.
Here is the video that you got the picture from.
Yes this was formerly a "village bridge". Not sure when the cantilevered floor beams were removed, or why the choice not to put them back in.
Interestingly there was another one there in town, in Contoocook Village, just upstream from the RR Bridge. Also a Long with double sidewalks.
Interestingly it was removed the year before this photo was taken. Though photos suggest it was healthy and sound, it was replaced in ' 35 in a WPA makework project.
In ultimate irony, had it not been both bridges would likely have been lost. With the weight of another bridge against it, as well as the additional water this would have backed up, the rails may well have let go and the RR bridge would maybe not have been righted. Flooding would tip it again two years later.
I had read one time where this bridge originally had walkways on both sides of it that were removed..... Explains the peculiar looking overhang of the roof.
Also known as the Abbott Bridge.
The Bement has recently temporarily been closed to traffic - http://tiny.cc/y5icu
I went over yesterday with an associate (High water demanded we return to his place for his canoe) from the next town over for an inspection, and to offer a professional opinion.
Snapped some shots and thought I'd share, in addition to these there are five new images on the Bement's page
Nice add here!
Please include the attached copy of the plaque that was placed on the bridge at the dedication ceremony on
Sept 12, 2010
Also known as the Joppa Bridge as it carries the town road of Joppa Road West.
Built by the Nothern Railroad which was leased to the Boston & Maine RR. B&M RR's Bridge number 141.35. Bridge number reffers its mileage to Boston MA from North Station.
This bridge is currently in the process of being replaced. NHDOT is willing to find someone who wants to remove and preserve the bridge in a new location.
A dedication ceremony will be held on the bridge on Sunday, Sept 12, 2010 at 2PM.
A plaque will be placed on the bridge which has been named for Justice Harlan Fiske Stone
This spectacular historic bridge continues to be in grave risk for demolition and replacement: http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100722/GJNEWS_01/707229692/-1/FOSNEWS
It probably doesn't help that this bridge borders Maine... which has demolished some spectacular historic bridges.
I use to walk across the Mt Orne Covered Bridge when i was in high school and drove across it several times when i lived in lunenburg Vermont to go to lancaster NH..Very beautiful bridge at one time.
The National Bridge Inventory lists the "Navigation Vertical Clearance" as 68.9 Feet (41 meters). This may be when the bridge is raised.
You have done a marvelous job of describing a part of our seacoast culture. Your condition report shows you have a good grasp of important detail that takes this report into the seriously useful data and sets it apart from idle artistic information.
However, there is one critical piece of data not reported. What is the vertical clearance above mean seal level at maximum lift?
Came across this bridge while biking the Ashuelot Rail to Trail and thought it deserved more pictures.
This bridge might get demolished or preserved: http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100420/NEWS01/4200309/1001
The bridge has been named for Justice Harlan Fiske Stone
(see HB1418) 2010 and signed by Gov.Lynch.
The Arch Bridge Preservation & Beautification Society is working to turn the bridge into an attraction by placing flowers and benches on the bridge.
Several articles have appeared in the "Keene Sentinel" and the "Brattleboro Reformer" regarding this project.
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I believe this bridge was removed over the summer of 2009 and a replacement of steel and concrete is being put into its place. Should my travels take me there again anytime soon, I'll supply some pictures.
It looks like the original plaque was removed and replaced with the 1905 plaque. I have seen a lot of these from bridge relocation projects. They certainly don't merit the same recognition as the original builder, and should have put it in another location.
This is a pin-connected lenticular pony truss constructed by the Berlin Iron Bridge Company of East Berlin, Connecticut. It contains their trademark railing design on the sidewalk. The NBI given 1905 date is incorrect, because this company was absorbed by the American Bridge Company in 1900. 1905 may refer to a rehab or relocation date.
this bridge has been closed for months-no through traffic
On the contrary Frank, I think your photos are exceptional! Thank you for posting them.
The Kennedy Family built some "Village bridges" in Indiana, I only wish at least 1 had survived.
Beautiful bridge in a very beautiful setting. My photos do not do it justice.
From newspaper, October 2008:
The new Route 123 bridge over the Cold River in Walpole opened to traffic yesterday, the state Department of Transportation has announced.
The concrete bridge replaces a twin stone arch bridge that was destroyed by flooding in October 2005.
In addition to the new bridge, the intersection of Route 123 and Brewery Road has been reconfigured.
Frank W. Whitcomb Construction Corp. of Walpole is the contractor for the $1.56 million project.
I was poking around in the Library of Congress, American Memory website and came across the Russell Hill Road Bridge or Livermore Bridge (alternate name) this is the link for the page:
Is this, or was this, a covered bridge? In a listing of all NH covered bridges, this was listed and I can't find any other info on it. Anyone have a picture?
Here are a couple of photos taken Oct 4, 2007 of this bridge. It was so grown over I couldn't get a better shot.
Here are a couple of photos taken Oct 4, 2007 of this bridge. It was so grown over I couldn't get a better shot.
Tried to send the images but preview didn't work!
i love ur pictures
Please add the attached photos to your website. Your site rocks! My wife and I were there in fall of 2005 and took these photos.
you need to show a picture so i can see what it looks like so i can do my project