Took a best guess on design
Back in the 90's, the original bridge was in use on the east side of the newer bridge, I think, as part of a cross country ski trail. I'm not sure when the original bridge was removed, though.
One of only a few railroad trusses remaining in this area. Beautiful as is, but even better with it's original twin span:
My wife and I frequently walk our dog along the Dakota Rail and we noticed this bridge. It stands out as there is no embankment around it, looks so odd standing all alone like that. If anyone has any history on it I would love to hear it.
Here are some pics.
NR eligibility of a boring modern bridge aside, did John Weeks give Amanda permission to reuse his photos? Because last I checked, he wasn't keen on people reusing them.
...........whole heartedly agree its a UCEB of the first order, how ever it is also in a populated area, more likely to have "committees" of well meaning people seeking funding and whatever preservation designations. Not implying its historic. NR listing CAN be political..........
I've always viewed this site as a collection of historic bridges. I, along with many other contributors would likely take issue if this structure was listed to the National Register. While the surrounding area may be historic, there are actual historic truss bridges in Minnesota, among other states that date to the 1890s, 1880s and even older that have not been listed. Not to be overly critical, but this bridge is not historic and you would be hard pressed to find someone on this site who sees this as truly NR eligible.
......Because we are a bridge focused group we tend to focus on bents and pilings and spans. Chase park and the river crossing are historic areas. Not the structure per say but the area. Has to do with funding and building restrictions, not a criticism just an idea.......
Not eligible per NBI, so probably an error.
I notice this bridge is listed as eligible for the National Regiater of Historic Places. Iím curious why this would be listed as such? It clearly shouldnít be eligible, and if it is, Minnesota needs to rethink the definition of historic.
The bridge is now open for pedestrian use.
However, it is clear that more work needs to be done to the bridge to restore it to the quality that is advertised on a bulletin board near the bridge... so thatís probably where the 2019 date comes from.
The bridge is currently preserved for pedestrian use as of February 2018.
The railroad bridge at this location was a massive deck Truss structure approximately half a mile long. Possibly was one of the largest railroad bridges in Minnesota. Iím pretty familiar with this structure as my hometown is about half an hour away.
It's a sad sad story. Even when you think you have a lead and some hope, then that hope dies too.
FOLKS, THIS ONE IS JUST WAITING TO COLLAPSE.
The longest bowstring in the US.
Issue: Dollars, always the dollars, probably $250,000 to get it off it's crumbling abutments. We are just waiting for gravity and hydrology to take the span down.
There are no mechanisms at DOTs or SHPO to step in when there is no more time.
It really will take a miracle, or we'll be pulling another one out of the river.
Any and All ideas are welcome.
New Money - Instant Cachet -
RARE RARE RARE - Own a piece of functioning history.
Does anyone know if this bridge is in storage still?
Looks like this bridge took some serious damage from the collision earlier this fall...
Finally got to this rare example of a deck truss in Southern Minnesota. What a unique bridge!
Dana, your pics are of the CNW bridge.
So, what's my deal with all these bridges in Winona MN? I've passed through three times in the past year, and each time I find another fascinating current or historical bridge. This bridge is one of the most interesting, with a complicated history and good written and photographic records. I'm sure there's yet more to find when I make it back to this picturesque old river town. Which I plan to do when the rehab of the 1942 highway bridge is complete in 2018.
According to an article in the Minneapolis StarTribune (11/01/2017), MN DOT is trying to give away half of this bridge. The other half belongs to Canada and isn't available.
MN DOT reserves the right to approve the use of the bridge, and the recipient will need to pay for it to be moved.
The last time we inspected this bridge, in 2011, there were some very large through holes in the concrete deck, 2-3 feet in diameter. It was closed with barricades by the county, but people kept driving around them and across the bridge. Newer, more robust barricades were installed later, which seemed to be effective.
Most of these old trusses are on the local system, so it is up to the individual county or township to decide what happens to them. I am not aware of any official re-use program, although I have heard that a couple have been purchased and moved to a private location.
Ish. I hate it. They could have at least used a replacement like the Embarrass River Bridge or the West Swan River bridge that we've just seen in the forum...this is just an eyesore. As Tony has pointed out, it would sure have been nice to keep the historic bridge in place, but the county's dead-in-the-water maintenance plan did not do it any favors--it was so deteriorated that there was no feasible way to save it.
MnDOT does have some sort of re-use program in place, but only for a finite, pre-selected group. Most of these bridges are more notable and "rare" (they're ALL extremely rare now!); they seem to have considered these Warrens "common" and not worth salvaging; I don't know of any from up there that have been re-used. It's sad to see them all being wiped out; there were tons of these bridges when I was a kid; now there are none :'(
It's just sad that rehabilitation doesn't seem to be given higher priority in many of these cases where the ADT count is so low.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for public safety, but are these new structures significantly cheaper than at least sustaining repairs on the historic ones?
Joe, and/or Matt... Does Minnesota promote dismantling and storing any of these trusses for possible future trail or park reuse?
I agree; it's certainly not an historic truss, but it beats Jersey barriers any day of the week! St. Louis County has been using this bridge type on county roads for several decades now; presumably to fit in a little bit better with their "rustic" atmosphere. They use Jersey and steel barriers on state and federal highways though.
The replacement bridge, 69A30, is a 3-span steel girder bridge with timber deck and rails and a bituminous overlay. At least it isn't a UCB!
This bridge has been replaced by a single-span steel girder bridge with timber deck and rails and a bituminous overlay (Bridge No. 69A58).
This bridge is gone, replaced in 2016 by a single span prestressed concrete beam bridge (69591).
There is a second bridge just to the north of here of similar design
The bridge was closed earlier this month and will reopen as a pedestrian crossing in 2019. The lift span is still operating (don't know why), but the area is nice to have with less traffic.
According to the St. Louis County engineer, this bridge has been removed and a replacement is being constructed. We will be in the area in September for other bridge inspections and will verify the status of this one.
With the current demolition and replacement of the Embarrass River bridge (88773), this may be the last surviving pony truss in St. Louis County. To my knowledge it is still extant but closed. We will be up there in September for other bridge inspections and will verify the status of this one.
The Google digitize book that supplied the photo describes the Fink trusses. So I quoted the relevant part in the description and expanded the design section.
Thanks for the additional images, Luke!
The first image shows what may be a Fink or two as approach spans on the far shore. The lack of resolution makes it difficult to confirm. If the build date of 1880 is accurate, it seems quite late for a Fink truss.
Also, does anyone know the type of compression member used on the Whipples?
Pretty sure I'm seeing fink elements on the main span.
30 June 2017
See the West Central Tribune of Willmar, MN June 29/30-
Front page article about replacement & Bidletting on this Bridge --
Sad to say - It is all but gone-
This is listed as having a fink deck truss approach span. But the photos does not show any fink. What little I have found on it does not mention a Fink deck truss.
Is there really a fink?
It would be a woefully neglectful loss if this one should collapse
Field visit today: this bridge is on the verge of collapse. Severe erosion is threatening the eastern stone pier. The stones under the southeast bearing shoe are barely hanging on.
I agree with Nathan's comment; however, considering the razor-thin escape from the wrecking ball that this bridge pulled off, I'm sure happy to see carriage bolts on this historic bridge over a new, ugly, MOB, which was the plan until only a couple of years ago!
Overall this is both a good and amazing outcome for a bridge of this size. The use of bolts is a disappointment being as it is something that multiple organizations reached out to them in favor of. They could have done the rivets if they had wanted to.
I went out with my family today and took photos of the newly restored bridge. Overall good restoration; most of the rivets along the bottom chords of the bridge have been replaced with bolts and the bearings have been replaced. Other than that, mainly blast and paint, and new concrete deck.
Yea! It's nice to see a Minnesota bridge not slated for demolition.
Unlike the Eisenhower bridge http://bridgehunter.com/mn/goodhue/9040/ that I went across recently and could see that ground work is beginning for the new bridge.
Inspected this bridge 6/7/17. Bridge was completely repainted to a battleship gray color in 2016. Looks good!
Not shocking that this bridge is doomed. Carver County (my home county) hasn't had a truss to show for itself in decades; and is working on eradicating the remaining historic bridges.
More info and video from KARE:
Close call with boat that went up in flames beneath it:
Just noticed there was no photo on file for this bridge. This was taken in August 2016.
They try and try to give these replacement UCEB's character... And it just doesn't work.
This bridge is gone, replaced by a single span PCB bridge (23028). Another one bites the dust.
Bridge is gone, replaced by a 2-barrel concrete box culvert.
The demolition of the bridge will begin on May 22nd. This past week the phone company laid a temporary cable from East to West through the woods over the river. Lake Country Power had crews move two power poles installing temporary poles that will remain until the bridge work is completed. The detour signs are standing by ready to barricade the highway from CR22 with the detour routes marked.
The rights of way on both sides of the river were cleared in February. Lake Country Power staked the right of way for the power line and where one power pole near the river will be moved toward the woods line about 25 -30 feet. Bridge removal and new construction will begin in May if not before. Culvert replacement may precede the bridge work to the east.
Doesn't work too well https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/03/20/duluth-blue-bridge-...
This former lift bridge is similar to the Lake Ewauna rail bridge in Klamath Falls OR.
The bridge does not raise automatically to marine traffic. The height of the bridge from water fluctuates depending on the level of the Rainy River. If a boat needs to have the bridge raised to pass under the bridge, a bridge tender in Chicago must be called, who in turn relays information to CN workers onsite. The bridge is supposed to be raised in a timely fashion. Due to the increased traffic on the bridge, marine traffic often has to wait significant amounts of time. The port of entry is currently the busiest US Customs rail of port of entry in the US.
Some photos of the Rehabilitation.
Apparently good news here. After some uncertainty over cost, MNDOT will rehab the main steel truss spans of the old bridge after all, but they'll completely replace the approach spans in what appears to be a compromise to keep the overall project within budget. They will be replaced one at a time to maintain contractor access for rehabbing the main steel truss spans at the same time. First Minnesota end, then Wisconsin. So it will indeed wind up as an old/new couplet of 1-way bridges.
I was just through Winona, and I drove across the new westbound bridge. It has opened to 2-way traffic until work on the old bridge is completed and it's reopened for eastbound traffic in 2019. Demolition work has begun on the west (Minnesota) approach spans.
Details on the bridge project: http://www.postbulletin.com/news/local/oakland-place-bridge-... New bridge is scheduled to be open by May 2017.
This is a nice looking train bridge.Impressive that it was built in 1897 and still in regular use.
Here's an article about the new replacement span being open. It is much wider than the previous one, yet the lanes have now been restricted to three lane instead of four lane. Whether that will be effective in the long term remains to be seen. Yet the new span is nearly identical to the State and Ashley Street Crossings. Rather boring when you look at them..... http://www.exploreokoboji.com/news/news-stories/highway-71-b...
By pass make great Canoe put in, fishing platform and picnic area. Lack of maintenance does not indicate replacement, indicates need for maintenance...
I realize there is historic sensitivity involved with this old bridge. However Highway 5 itself is in poor driving condition and has been for many years. People that wish to visit the McCarthy State Park coming in from the N.W. on Highway 1 usually bypass Highway 5 because it is so rough. There comes a time when replacement is necessary. At today's prices one can only imagine how much it would cost to replace this bridge 10 years from now, along with upgrading the highway itself. There are issues with the culverts that direct water drainage sometimes with flows crossing from one side of the highway to the other a few times if not several times before drainage is guided well. Culvert replacement has been undertaken this past summer and will continue. There are many culverts along the approximate 8 mile stretch between CR22 and Hwy 1 in need of replacement or relocation. This is a monumental project. But it is clear that it requires attention now.
A Nod is as good as a wink to a blind man! Not sure view from Hazel street IS this. Cant tell so will leave street view off.Looks like under pass for something else...Pontist Mystery. Thanks for your usual keen Eye
Dana, the bridge in the picture looks old enough to be added to the site... (nudge nudge)
The original Warren truss was removed, but was replaced by what appears to be a lighter bridge some years(?) ago. Old electrical insulators are evident to one side of the upper portion. The right of way was converted to a trail, but this replacement bridge was there previously.
They did! Since July 2016! :-D Link: http://www.knuj.net/2016/07/celebration-to-be-held-to-mark-t...
Had a very nice chat with the gentleman who owns this bridge. He would like to preserve it at all costs, and does his best to maintain it currently. The world needs more bridge lovers like this!
Heard from a couple of gentlemen in Good Thunder that this bridge has been reopened
As part of the Long Meadow Bridge, the previous and NOT original wooden deck was replaced with a "lightweight" reinforced concrete deck with no wear layer. The ORIGINAL deck was 1920 era reinforced concrete with an asphalt wear layer. The original deck was failing and replaced with the wooden deck some time in the late 1940s to early 1950s.
The contractors used modern "lightweight" reinforced concrete without a wear layer to provide long life, reduce the dead weight of the bridge, and retain most of the design capacity of the bridge. They also used that material because the ORIGINAL deck was reinforce concrete, and not wood. Since this was a NRHP Bridge Restoration, they also used pine boards for forms rather than modern steel forms to get the "board texture" that would have been present on the curbing of the original deck.
This bridge is not long for this world. Fillmore County has funding to replace it with a 2-barrel concrete box culvert. The project will occur later this year or early in 2017.
This bridge recently underwent a 2-year rehab which included a new deck, replacement of severely corroded floorbeams over Pier 3 (due to many years of leakage through the deck joint), new bearings and a complete repaint. It is now brown in color and looks very nice.
10/20/16 update. Concrete railings have been removed sometime and replaced with black metal railings. Appears that the width of bridge was narrowed by about 16" on each side and the railings put at the new edge.
Great to see... Especially for one that once appeared to be a goner!
Outstanding!! After a 14-year wait, it will be nice to have public access to this bridge once again! The pipe-and-cable railings appear to be similar to those used on the Gateway Trail Bridge over Manning Avenue in Washington County--minimal visual intrusion to the truss portions of the bridge should allow for easy viewing. I will be sure to make it a point to visit once I'm in the area again.
The Long Meadow Bridge restoration is complete. The bridge is now open to pedestrian and bicyclist traffic. The bridge is scheduled to close during the Spring of 2017 to allow unhindered access to lightweight paving equipment, which will be paving the path between the south end of the Long Meadow Bridge and the north end of the pedestrian/bicyclist portion of the Cedar Avenue Bridge. This low-resolution picture is courtesy of the City of Bloomington, MN.
Well, so much for this one--the tee-beam is the last one. I'm sure it will be pointlessly and wastefully demolished soon as well.
The linked article in Bluff Country News says the bridge is to become a fishing pier. So monumented it is.
Much better than the awful ACoE suggestion to mount it's upper truss structure as decoration on a new bridge as mentioned in the article.
Just about every river up here in the northeast Iowa
/southeast Minnesota area is approaching flood stage right now, so I hope the bridge is ok.
Nathan just has a quicker trigger finger than you Matt!! ;-)
Matt... Great minds think alike... And apparently at the same time as well! As an afterthought I also wonder if this bridge's fate was part of a management plan, I think the state made those for some bridges although I haven't looked at this for a while.
Jinx!! Looks like we posted very similar comments at the same time :>)
It looks like they put new permanent concrete posts in to keep heavy traffic off, so I would say that they plan to keep it around for pedestrians and bicycles; maybe a trail will eventually be placed across.
This bridge is gone. A new single-span PS concrete bridge is under construction in its place.
It looks like the contractor is no longer on-site, and it also looks like new bollards were installed at the ends of the bridge. That being the case, I would guess the bridge has been "monumented" meaning it has been bypassed and abandoned with no restoration work undertaken.
This bridge is still standing but no longer carries traffic. A new bridge is in place on a new parallel alignment. At this point I don't know if the old bridge will be demolished or kept in place for a trail.
Thanks Don.Good to know there is history on both these bridges.
Apparently they also removed one farther south.
Here is an interesting web page with dates, bridge numbers, and modern pictures:
Noticed something looking at google maps.If you follow the roadway there is what looks like a pier in the Zumbro River for a bridge.Looks like they removed 2 bridges,not 1.Also i noticed this roadway hooks up with what i think is a rte. 30.Just a couple of observations.
According to the internet, the bridge lasted into the late 90s.
Does anyone have any info on when this was removed, or any pics from when it was operation? Thanks.
I'm from up there as well; this is very similar to what they did about 25 years ago a few miles north of there, where the Sturgeon River passes under State Hwy. 1...there was a small, 2-span Warren pony truss bridge there, and they replaced it with a very long UCEB, presumably to control some flooding issues there.
Interesting... thats a rather elaborate project to replace a 70 foot span on a quiet county-owned road...
A new bridge is scheduled for 2017-2018. The new bridge will be about 400 + feet long. Entire bridge construction with approaches will be about 1,050 feet. I own the land on the East side of the river, North plat. Construction is estimated to be 2 years. Highway 5 will be resurfaced with parts reconstructed. I signed the easements in May 2016. Right of way on each side of the bridge is 50 feet permanent, and another 50 feet temporary. Detoured traffic will be routed on the Airport Road to the West of the river. The bridge will be elevated only a few feet. The rights of way are staked.
Made tons of sense to replace an historic bridge located in a state preserve for those 7 park vehicles that crossed it a day. The old structure could have been renovated for far less.