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Posted September 20, 2018, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

This bridge already had been moved once before so I assume it was not delisted from the National Register. However in contrast, I was told all the bridges in Historic Bridge Park in Calhoun County were delisted. That doesn't change the historic significance of those bridges, I think it was more of a clerical outcome given that the bridges were dismantled and in storage for a period prior to being erected at the park.

Posted September 20, 2018, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Not a silly question at all.

Hopefully the SHPO (State Historic Preservation Officer) has been made aware of the relocation and can file the appropriate paperwork (if necessary) to keep the listing intact.

Posted September 20, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

This is probably a silly question, but when a bridge that had been listed on the NRHP in its previous location gets moved, does it lose its listing or no?

Posted September 20, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Page for the bridge in its new location: http://bridgehunter.com/mi/cass/bh82914/

Posted September 18, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Well, apparently this time both the superstructure and the foundation will be up for replacement. So...there's that.

For context RE: 1987 though - I could probably find pre-1987 photos if I dig hard enough, but otherwise, are such images readily available? I was born in '85 and am not sure Id've even ever crossed this bridge prior to '87, never mind being able to remember doing so. Though for that matter, my family used to live just outside the city; we moved within the city limits in 1993.

Posted September 17, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

Thanks Clark.

Posted September 17, 2018, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

This bridge was essentially demolished and replaced in 1987. The entire superstructure including bascule leaves were replaced. So if they are replacing that already its a rather interesting development.

Posted September 17, 2018, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

1958 topo shows Pennsylvania RR.

Posted September 16, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

Thanks Mike, wasn't sure of Former RR and if open to pedestrians. Im old and it was getting late so posted what I knew. Bridge titan LUKE as often happens fixed for me.

Posted September 16, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

always appreciate your assist! Sometimes Ill post and come back. All edits to make for clarity correctness etc FINE with me. If Ive really missed the boat (as I have) let me know Ill Delete and start over.

Posted September 15, 2018, by Luke

Dana/Kay often omits RR names or status (And sometimes design) if they don't know or cannot find them.

Sometimes irksome, but understandable considering some users get themselves worked up over the minutiae instead of just changing it.

Posted September 15, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Unknown status? There's a NBI report which would seem to indicate that it's still there, the StreetView shows likewise... nothing happened to this bridge very recently, did it?

Posted September 15, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

MDOT has this scheduled for replacement. The project is scheduled to begin in 2020, and reportedly could take up to two years to complete. The West Channel bridge will not be having work done at that time.

As someone who goes over this bridge several times per WEEK as of late, oh boy will this be a headache to deal with once 2020 hits.

Posted September 13, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

I'm not able to see trains actually going across this bridge very often, but yesterday when I was driving over Liberty there was one at the west side approach getting ready to cross.

Posted September 13, 2018, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Mike, yes that one in Midland looks like the more common standard design what I'm used to seeing in Michigan... and a pretty good example being as it hasn't had modern railings added and also is not deteriorated. The Bay County ones definitely stand out as an interesting variation.

Posted September 13, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Being excluded from the NBI because they're too short makes sense.

I also found a bridge closer to me that'd be another example of the Fisher Road bridges you're talking about. When I went to check out the Midland County bridges last week, I took Tittabawassee Road out west, and happened to drive across such a bridge near Smiths Crossing Road. The NBI says it's a T-beam built in 1932, and I don't see a plaque on it (not on the road sides, anyway), which fits with what you've said about this bridge plan: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4818841,-84.1897536,3a,60y,1...

At first, I would've thought this one was a version of the same [Bay County] bridge plan with taller railings, but if Bay County adapted what was already a standard used by the state and by several other counties, then that makes sense too.

Posted September 13, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

Mike believe you to be correct. build date unknown for now.

Posted September 13, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Just to clarify, I don't think this was actually *built* in 1965 - at one point when I was trying to get the NBI data interfaced properly with this and the replacement bridge, it came back with a "reconstructed 1965" statistic on the edit screen.

Also, in the older NBI listings - 1992, 1996, 2000 - this is just listed with an unknown build date. However, if there's another info source out there that proves the 1965 build date...then nevermind what I just said.

Posted September 13, 2018, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Mike,

They are unlisted because the span is under 20 foot, and thus they are excluded from the National Bridge Inventory. Seeing these shorter spans just allowed me to draw a connection to the railing design, however. It appears that what the Bay County Road Commission did with the larger bridges is basically adapt Michigan's standard plan short-span slab/t-beam railing and used it for longer steel stringer spans, and also added a county-design plaque as well. In the more common "mini-girder" style railing, note the very short span length and lack of a plaque. Many counties as well as the State Highway Department utilized these standard plan small-scale bridges. See this page where I showcased a road that had a variety of less-than-20 foot examples of this design. Note the similar railing design to Bay County but the lack of plaque. https://historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowser=c...

Posted September 13, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Missed one. Prevo Road west of M-13 also has one unaccounted for: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7676098,-83.9803024,3a,75y,7...

And that's not referring to the culvert that is closer to the highway along that same stretch, which IS accounted for here: http://bridgereports.com/1247897

Posted September 13, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

The replacement bridge can be seen here: http://www.michiganwatertrails.org/location.asp?ait=av&aid=1...

Posted September 13, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)
Posted September 13, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)
Posted September 13, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Picture of the new bridge (StreetView is not available for Lasalle Road):

https://www.rivercare.org/local/upload/file/CRA%20Stream%20C...

As far as bridge replacement goes, I'd call this an example of, if you're set on replacing a bridge altogether, you could do far worse than what was done here.

A case in point of "worse": The Aarwood Road bridge, on that same page.

Posted September 13, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Something else I've noticed about these tiny concrete girder bridges here in Bay County is that there's at least a few of them that aren't even accounted for at all in the NBI for whatever reason.

Myers Road, at Mackinaw: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5304291,-83.9946707,3a,75y,2...

Delta Road, at Two Mile: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.551359,-83.9342576,3a,75y,31...

Three Mile Road, between Hotchkiss and Salzburg: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5737359,-83.9535788,3a,75y,1...

The first two are dead-end roads, but the third is not, and that one I'm sure sees a fair amount of traffic (it's not far from Delta College). I'm not sure what to make of there not being any records for these. (I also took a few pictures of the one at Delta Road a few months ago; its plaque gives a year of 1941.)

Posted September 10, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

This is a marker for the pedestrian pier that now stands where the bridge used to. It says the bridge had been built in 1911 rather than 1913 (though that could very well be wrong), but it also gives a construction date for the pier as 1989, so...best guess, the bridge was removed sometime in the 80s?

Posted September 8, 2018, by Luke

I think the 1999 "rehab" date was a replacement

Posted September 8, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

http://mcfta.pastperfectonline.com/photo/21987272-17E5-4C50-...

After seeing this photo, it would not shock me if what I drove over earlier today (my prior post) was an entirely different bridge rather than simply the same bridge with wood railings where the trusses used to be.

Another photo of the same bridge: http://mcfta.pastperfectonline.com/photo/E9CE1EC7-08F8-4135-...

Posted September 8, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

http://mcfta.pastperfectonline.com/photo/6A70548D-AF5C-4E0D-...

http://mcfta.pastperfectonline.com/photo/F2CC7349-45CA-48C2-...

The second photo definitely faces north; neither of the two Alamando bridges listed has a left turn that close when facing south. And the way the road narrows in the second photo makes me think both these photos are for this bridge when it was there and not for the other.

Posted September 8, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

When I was mapping a route to check out the other Magrudder Road bridge and the two Alamando Road bridge sites, I saw on satellite that there was something here, so I elected to drive through and see what it was.

Wonder why the builders decided to go with concrete railings on this one?

Posted September 8, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

And this one has the same issue as the Alamando Road Bridge (the one where there is still a bridge there). There's still a bridge that crosses here, but it has wooden railings now instead of trusses.

Posted September 8, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

My guess would be that it was removed (possibly collapsed?) somewhere between 2000 and 2004, because in going through the NBI, 2004 is when it disappears. (It was closed prior to that, all the way back to 1992 at least.)

Posted September 8, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Whereas here, there is no such ambiguity. The bridge is very obviously no longer there, as indicated by the below photo. (This is facing south.)

The Midland Center For the Arts does have a collection of old bridge photos for throughout the county. I'll post a link once I go through them again and find the correct one that matches this one.

Posted September 8, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Question. What's the proper edit that should be done when the bridge itself is still in place, but the trusses are not? Or is it fair to say this is a case where there was a full bridge replacement?

Here's how it looks now in any case, with wooden railings instead of metal trusses:

Posted September 6, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Oof. I guess I shouldn't be surprised if at some point I hear of a construction project in the area, then. The Road Commission has had several different projects going throughout the county, and they're somewhat spread out. There's even been a couple closures this year as well, including another one just like this south of this one on Mackinaw. (The one over Johnson Drain.)

The design being unique to the county must be why I can find them all over the place here, though.

Posted September 6, 2018, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Mike, I photographed this bridge a while ago as a representative example of the type, I just haven't added it to my website at HistoricBridges.org yet as its a low priority addition. However I can say that this bridge is also in very poor condition, see attached photo. However bridge closures are often triggered by a single isolated problem, for example maybe moisture leaked just by chance through the deck and deteriorated one beam more than the others, in that sense a closure might be triggered by something random that is not connected to traffic volume. As for the design of these bridges, they are a county road commission design) (rather than a county bridge built using a state highway department design). As such the railing design and plaque design is unique to Bay County.

Posted September 5, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

A few months ago I went on a StreetView spree looking at many of the county roads in Bay County, and I was a little surprised (maybe also disappointed) at how many of these little tiny things there are throughout the county.

What's kind of strange to me though is, one of the two bridges that's listed as Closed in Bay County is over on Erickson Road and is another one of the "tiny little things": http://bridgereports.com/1247898

That's been closed for 3 years now, despite apparently having a fair amount less of traffic than is the case here. (172/day for that bridge versus 274/day for this one.) And, its inspection condition is roughly comparable to this bridge. Yet this is open and that is closed.

Posted September 4, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Huh! In looking at the forum, I guess I found another bridge in the vein of Honouli Wai or Bath House Road, didn't I? *shrugs*

Driving around the curve from Rashotte Road onto Avalon, it made me think there was definitely a culvert in the channel - but, in looking at pictures of those other two bridges, the arch of this one looks a LOT like it does for them underneath.

Whereas Honouli Wai has 3 arches and Bath House Road has 2, this only has the one. And the arches on those don't look nearly as raised as this one is.

Posted September 4, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

24 feet, still culvert? Just curious

Posted September 4, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

As you can tell from the picture at the top, Avalon Road is home to a shoreline neighborhood (one of several in Bay County), and in fact, it's right in the northeast corner of the county.

So despite the minimum load posting, I doubt very much that this area sees giant vehicle traffic.

The top picture doesn't show it very well, but this is a fairly steep crossing for a bridge/culvert. Trying to get good pictures didn't go so well, between the multiple "no parking" signs posted and a resident's dog out and about in the one area where I could have feasibly parked (might as well have been a guard dog). So both pictures that I've posted here were taken while I was sitting in the car.

Even though this crossing really does consist of a large culvert (thus its steep-ness), this one at least has a rather interesting design around it. There's actually a second one at the north end of the road, that is also steep but is far less aesthetically interesting.

Posted September 4, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Posted load

Posted August 5, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

From what I've been able to Google, the bridge removal was complete by early May. Plans for replacement are currently uncertain - apparently replacement was to be underway by now, but those plans have been put on hold.

Article with info and (albeit low-quality) picture of the site post-removal: https://wtvbam.com/news/articles/2018/may/14/old-bridge-on-c...

Oh and here's something really nifty. Apparently someone thought to post a sped-up video clip of the bridge being lifted off the crossing intact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQV_8zNjpeQ

However - whether it's since been disassembled or still remains intact somewhere, I do not know.

Posted July 31, 2018, by Eric risse (Ericrisse [at] me [dot] com)

This bridge originally had fewer spans, to allow heavier trains to cross it, the trusses were cut in half and additional piers added to increase the load capacity.

Posted July 30, 2018, by Jim Treadgold (jim [dot] treadgold [at] btinternet [dot] com)

31st July 2018

Bridge completely removed

Posted June 5, 2018, by Jeff Routson (jroutson&hardestyhanover [dot] com)

The design of the Fort Street Bridge was directed by the Okemos, MI office of Hardesty & Hanover.

A Scherzer type bascule is not at all uncommon for 2015. At least 5 have been completed since 2010.

Posted May 29, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

I'm guessing that this is what whomever posted this had in mind:

https://www.ourmidland.com/lifestyles/article/Throwback-Sund...

Note the pedestrian truss bridge next to it. The picture right before that has more of a street-level view - compare that picture to how the area looks now on Google StreetView, and my bet would be that both bridges were removed when they filled the area in.

Posted May 27, 2018, by Dave King (DKinghawkfan [at] hotmail [dot] com)

The bridge with wooden railings you are referring to is nothing notable. It's a steel stringer built in 1980.

Posted May 26, 2018, by Mike Kerkau (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Well, if we weren't convinced that it was gone before - what I've just uploaded should do the trick.

I elected to take this side trip on my way home from visiting one of my cousins who lives up by Pinconning. I was surprised, because I thought I'd be able to get closer on the west side (turning off Garfield) rather than the east side (turning off Nine Mile), and it turned out that the reverse was true. I was also surprised that the west side was as well paved as it was, almost like it was/had been a primary road (the very end notwithstanding).

I'd be interested to find out anything more about its removal in records, but have not the slightest idea of what I should look into for that.

On an unrelated note, not long after I turned back onto Nine Mile and continued south, I noticed one bridge I crossed had wooden railings. That stood out immediately for the sake of, well, being a road bridge with wooden railings still standing in 2018. Didn't stop to check it out or anything because I was pressed for time, but...probably next chance I get, I'll head back there.

Posted May 1, 2018, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Mike,

I believe one of the strongest voices in favor of demolition passed away a couple years ago. Unfortunately the bridge is an expensive proposition to restore due to the fact that all pin plates on the lower chord connections have been compromised by dangerously poor repairs in the bridge's past that would all need to be replaced. That said, if anyone out there has a ton of money burning a whole in their pocket this bridge is available for reuse.

Posted April 30, 2018, by Mike (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Seven years later...evidently the quest to have the bridge removed must have fallen apart.

Assuming this Google Maps satellite view is accurate, it appears to still be standing in place: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9148171,-84.9328707,150m/dat...

A regular Google search also turned up these county Road Commission minutes: http://ioniacountyroads.org/images/2017_Board_Minutes_Qtr_2....

At the June 14 meeting just last year, someone was asking about its removal. The fact that that question would even be posed clearly means it was still there then - and I'm inclined to think it still is now.

Incidentally, there was another search result from a 2014 RC meeting where the preview mentions something about limited repairs to the bridge, but the link doesn't work so you can't read it from there.

Posted April 28, 2018, by Mike (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but...

This bridge appears to be on its way out: https://huronhub.com/2017/08/23/waltz-road-bridge-to-be-repl...

Posted April 27, 2018, by Don

Mike,

I believe many of these bridges were added by James early on from the NIB. Bridgehunter is copyright 2002 to 2018.

That is the reason for the disclaimer about being from the NBI and not verified, no photo and no map.

They may have been added from the early NBI and not been changed even as they have been lost and/or delisted in later versions.

I believe that these "not verified" bridges appear in the to do list as well.

Position data and current status may not have been updated in all this time, and may be wrong. Of course, the position hasn't moved, but it may be approximate, not exact.

Sometimes, it's hard to figure out exactly where the bridges were due to inaccuracies in the NBI.

If you have an editor account and current correct info, you could update these pages and any in the to do list if you wish.

A good way to start contributing is to visit and document some of these bridges in your area. Using satellite imagery can be useful to verify lost bridges too.

Posted April 27, 2018, by Mike (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Err...I think this page may need updating?

The Historic Bridges page has it well-documented that the original bridge no longer exists, but for whatever reason this page doesn't appear to reflect that. (Among other things, I'm pretty sure the inspection stats listed - which are from 2016 - are for the replacement bridge which was installed in 2011.)

The original bridge was washed out due to a heavy rainstorm on June 12-13, 2008 (article linked which gives the date): http://www.shorelinemedia.net/ludington_daily_news/archives/...

Page 3 of this PDF has a photo of the replacement bridge (which doesn't look half-bad considering what it replaced): https://www.rivercare.org/local/upload/file/CRA%20Stream%20C...

Posted April 26, 2018, by Mike (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Re-posting this, as I believe THIS - not the one titled Little Salt Creek Bridge - was the one I meant to describe when I first posted this last night:

"If this is what I think it is...I'd imagine that this bridge has been closed off for some time.

I remember once driving through the backroads in Midland County, it was spring/summer of 2007. I went up Salt River Road to Alamando, and Alamando had a sign right there when I turned. It might have said Bridge Out, though I don't quite remember, and I can't quite read this posted sign says on Google StreetView. (I'm thinking it's gotta be either Bridge Out or Pavement Ends.)

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.576338,-84.5284178,3a,75y,19...

I do remember getting a little closer to where the bridge is supposed to be, though, and the road was closed off.

This report says the bridge is closed to all traffic, and judging by the exact location - I want to think this is that same bridge I'm remembering here. And if that's the case, I'd imagine it's been...ages! Since this was open."

Now, the report for this bridge says it's open - and satellite view in Google Maps clearly shows that there IS still something there at this site...but the Salt River crosses Alamando in two locations south of Stewart Road, and the satellite view did NOT show two clear crossings on the map - so I wonder if there used to be a second bridge at this same stretch of road that has since been lost.

Posted April 26, 2018, by Mike (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

I might be mixing this one up with the one that is labelled, Alamando Road Bridge - http://bridgehunter.com/mi/midland/56303H00021B010/ - looking at maps again, I think that's the one I meant to be talking about.

Whereas THIS bridge would've been between Jasper and Shepherd Roads, closer to Shepherd. I...think? I've been down Shepherd Road at least once, but I don't think I've ever been up or down this section of Alamando.

Much to my surprise though, Google StreetView has an available photo nearby here too! This is the corner of Jasper and Alamando (date: July 2009): https://www.google.com/maps/@43.545839,-84.5284029,3a,75y,19...

Notice there's both No Outlet and Road Closed signs up - I can think of two reasons why the latter would be up:

1) It's a sign that went up when the bridge was lost and has remained ever since.

2) There was a flooding event at the time, and it was closed because the road was flooded.

What's odd, though, is that Google Maps clearly shows that Alamando doesn't cross the creek: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5284794,-84.5298405,16z

I find that odd because that would be Google accounting for the road being cut off, which doesn't always happen with them.

One other thing: The two bridge listings for Alamando Road were definitely confusing to check, mainly because when I look up and down the multiple sections of Alamando Road in Midland County, it crosses waterways no less than TWELVE times! Good luck keeping track of them all.

Whatever would have been between Jasper and Shepherd, though, is the only one with anything suggesting it was this Little Salt Creek Bridge. Satellite on Google Maps shows that Alamando does get kind of close to the creek, so that would point to that there used to be a bridge there and now there's not.

I wonder, though, if the 1995 inventory mis-labeled one of the two bridges? Maybe, one is supposed to be THIS bridge, and the other is actually supposed to be the Alamando Road Bridge identified with the link at the beginning of this post.

Posted April 25, 2018, by Don Morrison

Indeed, Google Earth shows no bridge here in imagery from April 9, 1999. Guess we can verify this one as lost.

Odd that the NBI didn't unlist it until after 2008.

Under facts it has the standard disclaimer:

Note: The following information comes from the National Bridge Inventory and has not been verified.

Posted April 25, 2018, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

My research in 2006 suggested both Alamando Road Bridges were gone. They supposedly still existed when the 1995 inventory was take. http://historicbridges.org/info/inventory95/index.htm

Posted April 25, 2018, by Mike (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

Probably for some time now. I want to think I remember driving by here at least once some years ago and a "Bridge Out" sign was posted, but as of at least 2012, Google StreetView says there's no such signs posted at either end - at least not at the cross street corners (Garfield, 9 Mile).

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7255239,-84.087526,3a,15y,12...

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7259064,-84.0675534,3a,15y,2...

So, either what was there was washed away, or the county removed it.

Posted April 25, 2018, by Mike (mjkerkau [at] gmail [dot] com)

If this is what I think it is...I'd imagine that this bridge has been closed off for some time.

I remember once driving through the backroads in Midland County, it was spring/summer of 2007. I went up Salt River Road to Alamando, and Alamando had a sign right there when I turned. It might have said Bridge Out, though I don't quite remember, and I can't quite read this posted sign says on Google StreetView. (I'm thinking it's gotta be either Bridge Out or Pavement Ends.)

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.576338,-84.5284178,3a,75y,19...

I do remember getting a little closer to where the bridge is supposed to be, though, and the road was closed off.

This report says the bridge is closed to all traffic, and judging by the exact location - I want to think this is that same bridge I'm remembering here. And if that's the case, I'd imagine it's been...ages! Since this was open.

Posted April 12, 2018, by FRANK FICK (fickkats [at] aol [dot] com)

04/11/2018

Posted April 12, 2018, by FRANK FICK (fickkats [at] aol [dot] com)

Taken 04/11/2018

Posted March 19, 2018, by Dhdh (mailservernoreply [at] jacksonmi [dot] gov)

Still exists. Is part of trail program now.

Posted March 19, 2018, by Dhd (mailservernoreply [at] jacksonmi [dot] gov)

Its gone, judging by its aerial view.

Posted March 18, 2018, by Jason (mailservernoreply [at] jacksonmi [dot] gov)

This bridge was demolished based on google aerial view

Posted March 18, 2018, by C (mailservernoreply [at] jacksonmi [dot] gov)

Apparently this bridge fell some time ago as my friend and fellow bridge lover went up there and its gone. She said there are debris for it.

Posted March 2, 2018, by Anonymous

Deck girder?

Posted March 2, 2018, by M. Long (melray082008 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Correction: Bridge built in 1986

Posted February 19, 2018, by Dan Seelye

Pin is right on. Dan -bridge removed

Posted February 18, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

Thanks for sharing Dan! I set pin at possible bridge location if incorrect post here and someone will adjust. Thanks again

Posted February 18, 2018, by Dan Seelye

I have this picture of Blue Rd. Bridge, The only picture I have seen of it.My father in picture abt1967.

Posted December 27, 2017, by FRANK FICK (fickkats [at] aol [dot] com)

Son and I went there last summer 2017.Road commission or DNR really did a number on the old road lots of barriers and brush to get to it

Posted December 27, 2017, by FRANK FICK (fickkats [at] aol [dot] com)

This Arch was done in the 80's.As bad as you do not like the work they did at least we still have it

Posted November 18, 2017, by Julie Bowers (jbowerz1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Join us....

Posted October 11, 2017, by MARK WELLINGTON (wholesaledirectent [at] gmail [dot] com)

Thought this might be a pic to enjoy of the bridge. Taken 10-09-2017 looking at the bridge going up stream.

Posted September 7, 2017, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

One of the most significant historic bridges in North America is now slated for demolition, thanks to owner Matty Moroun (aka Matty Moron) who in unprecidented stupidity still seeks to replace (rather than rehab) this bridge despite the fact that he lost the battle to prevent construction of the competing Gordie Howe Bridge downstream. The better solution would be rehab of this bridge for continued vehicular use which will be much less busy after the Gordie Howe Bridge is completed. So the fate of this bridge may be determined by a bitter, greedy old man. http://www.freep.com/story/money/2017/09/06/moroun-canada-br...

Posted May 12, 2017, by Dana and Kay Klein

Regardless of Tee Beam opinion They are an extremely durable design!

Posted May 4, 2017, by John Keller (j1952k [at] aol [dot] com)

I'm looking for a accident report that happen in 1981 on the government bridge in St. Joseph, mi

And Benton Harbor, Mi.

Thank You

John Keller

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Posted April 19, 2017, by Sherman Cahal (shermancahal [at] gmail [dot] com)

Not really. This is one of the few I've seen.

Posted April 17, 2017, by Dana

Interesting laminated arch Sherman, are these common in this area?

Posted March 11, 2017, by gary rogers (grogers [at] fraserlawfirm [dot] com)

A real blast from the past. I recall this bridge well and crossed it hundreds of times. My father, born in 1892 (yes, that is correct) used to jump off the bridge with friends as a youth. He told the story of a stranger coming to the bridge one day on a bicycle, climbing to the very top of the bridge and diving off... then floating to the surface. My father and others jumped in and pulled him out of the water. Once revived, the guy thanked them, got on his bicycle and road away never to be seen again! My father called the bridge Stotch or Scotch bridge or something like that. No idea why but I am sure there was a reason as he was a child when the bridge was built and probably watched some of the construction as he lived only a little over a mile from the bridge (as the crow flies).

Posted February 8, 2017, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

My point about the review of my photos is that if the plaque were not either original or an exact (ie made using a rubber mold of an original) copy it typically would have a smooth, modern, look to it.

I believe you refer to Alan King Sloan's King Bridge Company website? His impressive efforts are an ongoing research project and while he has an impressive wealth of information I would not assume it to be 100% complete to be sure. If you poke around on his website you will find a catalog of standard designs. It includes standard plaques. Your plaque was Standard Name Plate #4.

Obviously, the 1886 plaque on 2nd Street isn't one of the Standard Name Plates. However, it is not uprising that one of the company's longest span trusses located in the heart of a city would be given some "non-standard" treatment.

Also, I would add that King Bridge was one of the largest bridge companies in the country. It is unfathomable that a successful company of this size would have only built one bridge in 1886. No doubt there are many bridges they built that we don't have records of today.

Posted February 8, 2017, by Art S. (asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

David,

The lower central plaque on the bridge has the maker's name and is standard for late King Whipple trusses. In fact, you will note it even has a date cartouche at it's top. However, it is blank - apparently the commissioners wanted a bit more 'bling' hence the large date plaques at the top.

Your plaque is for a smaller, probably Pratt, truss; look up the 1885 Mine Road bridge in Mercer County, NJ for comparison.

By the way, by restoration, do you mean that you have the capability of restoring the missing section and mounting tabs on your plaque and have done so on similar examples of old cast iron? If so, I'd love to see examples of your work!

Regards,

Art S.

Posted February 8, 2017, by David Lgendre (dlegend62 [at] gmail [dot] com)

I have done some more research on the King Iron Bridge and Manufacturing Co. I still did not find another bridge they built in 1886. I did however come across a typo that dated the 2nd street bridge at 1883. On their website is a tab for Bridge Plates-The Builders Signature. There they have examples of period Bridge plates which are identical to the plate I have pictured. The new photos that I am seeing of the 2nd Street Bridge have a the same shape Bridge Plate on the top cross-beam but only contain the year 1886. There is no example of such a plate on the King Iron Bridge website. The website also mentions how many bridges contained 4 to 5 plaques depending on the requests. I did not understand the comment about the photos you have. I would mention that I restore old cast iron and the picture I posted is after restoration. It did contain much rust with significant build-up. It also had the original iron hangers on the back which appeared to be cut-off with a torch. I removed and retained the hangers and the period bolts.

Posted February 6, 2017, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

David, I am not sure what looks inauthentic about the 2nd Street Bridge's plaques, but I have looked at my photos of the plaque up close and it shows pitting and other details typical of original cast iron, or an exact re-cast replica. It can be seen in historical postcards as well. This bridge does have an unusually elaborate collection of plaques, including date plaque on top, builder plaque in the center of portal bracing, and end post plaques as well... this is much more than a typical King may have had. The 1886 plaque you have would be more common, I think the 2nd Street Bridge's arrangement is more elaborate because it was a large span located in the heart of a city. Smaller-span bridges and those in more rural locations for example would have had the "all-in-one" plaque of the style you have... so its hard to say what specific bridge it might have came from.

Posted February 6, 2017, by David Legendre (dlegend62 [at] gmail [dot] com)

I was wondering if they replaced the date plaque 1886. I came across the cast iron plaque and this is the only bridge I can find from King in 1886. I will attach a photo of the piece I found and I must say it appears more authentic than the 1886 bridge topper in the Allegany Bridge photos.

I appreciate any help with trying to identify my piece.

Posted February 2, 2017, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

I have no idea what Howlet, MI is, and Howell, MI has nothing to do with either this bridge or the Huron River, but I think the bridge you are looking for is this one (see my historical photo within my narrative). http://historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowser=co...

Posted February 2, 2017, by Douglas Butler

I need help with this one I just deleted the page this bridge says Jefferson Avenue, when I mapped it Ann Harbor between Monroe and Wayne County this Photo picture says Howlet MI when I tried to find the county of Howlet instead it says Howell Michigan.

Posted January 29, 2017, by Caleb Wagner (Calebo1212 [at] gmail [dot] com)

This bridge was taken down between 1996 and 1999, closer to the first date.

Posted January 17, 2017, by george oakley (georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Thanks to you Nathan and Dana and Kay for responding.I failed to mention that while out on the water you do have to watch out for other boat traffic.As long as you are not on their property and remain in the water you can actually take pictures of this bridge and the other lift bridge which looks to be closed from what i have seen on satellite and also looking at it on street view.I do know from boating what rules do apply while out on the water.As for the security guards which i call rent-a-cops i worked in a refinery which had private security and know what they can and can't do.

Posted January 16, 2017, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Just to clarify for those not familiar, we are talking (around Zug Island) about coast guard regulated commercial waterways. These still allow access in the way smaller waterways might (such as for recreational use), but there also are these restricted zones that may override high water level etc. You would still be able to pass thru, but may not be able to utilize every square inch of the water (such as to get certain angles of photos). Certain number of feet may be required to be kept between your vessel and another vessel for a dock for example. I do not claim to be an expert on this stuff, but I have been on commercial waters with someone who as their job works on commercial barges. He told me those were things to watch out for.

Also including the NOAA Chart for this area.

Posted January 16, 2017, by Dana and Kay Klein

Riparian rights balance the rights of citizens free access to waterways and property owners rights. Vary by state and watercourse. GENERALLY access to high water mark of NAVIGABLE waterways allowed. Michigan varies by whether lake or river. Some counties in Texas extended property to center of watercourses specifically to prevent ingress. In general courtesy is your best friend. If asked to leave , leave. Air space another thing now that camera drones are available. FAA controls 500 feet and up, 83 to 500 feet a grey area. Up to 83 feet or fair use height is property owners.

Posted January 16, 2017, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

I would assume that a clear pathway for the public must be maintained on the waterway. The restrictions would (again in theory) control how close you come to the shoreline or to docked boats. While it may be true that they can't force you to delete your photos, because in that scenario you are on the privately owned island, they could call the police and have you arrested for criminal trespass. US Steel is pretty hardcore with their security. I have, near other US Steel properties, been unlawfully told I cannot take photos from a public sidewalk. Unlike taking photos from private property, they have no right whatsoever to restrict photography from a public sidewalk.

Posted January 16, 2017, by george oakley (georgeoakley49 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Nathan,i read your post on taking pictures from boats dated 8-31-2013.As far as i know no waterway is owned by private companies which means as long as you are not a threat to the environment you can take pictures of whatever you want.Being that this is a lift bridge also lends credence to the fact that this is a shipping lane for boat traffic.As for the rent-a-cops they cannot force you to delete any pictures without a court order being that any cameras are your private property.This also makes me wonder why they have rent-a-cops.

Posted January 14, 2017, by Luke

Nicely done.

Posted January 14, 2017, by EastOfGratiot (wadewmbryant [at] aol [dot] com)

This is my n-scale replica of the 141 bridge.

Posted January 3, 2017, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

There also used to be a two-span riveted Warren pony truss leading to the nearby island northwest of the highway bridge. This bridge was removed and replaced. The trusses are in storage, but sadly are in bad condition and given other more significant bridges available for reuse, unlikely to be reused in the future. The bridge was removed before I began photographing bridges, so I don't have any photos of it standing.

Posted January 3, 2017, by Luke
Posted January 3, 2017, by Dana and Kay Klein

What was there before this one?

Posted January 3, 2017, by Nathan Holth (webmaster [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

This bridge has been gone for many years, with a slab of concrete in its place.

Posted December 29, 2016, by Chris huxtable (Tcpattycake1 [at] att [dot] net)

Correction;crystal beach rd,torch river,south end of torch lake,map is clam river,not torch river,used to reside there! Bridge no longer exists, was replaced early 70's......chris