VERY sad to say this queenpost has been replaced by....wth ya call this mess
This county map shows the old rail line and can help you locate at least three crossings still visible from above.
On further satellite inspection, there is a short-length wooden train bridge to the south and east of the camp-approach road in the middle of that field over the creek on an old line that looks like it would have curved to the north and west and connected to the giant wooden tussle that still remains in shambles (see photos)
This one pretty dang remote considering close to a decent size town - looks older than 1910, tall sucker, solid
If you use Google Earth 1991 imagery, the old ROW is still visible and there does appear to be a trestle there.
Problem is that using Google Earth's ruler tool suggests that this is 1.35 miles south of Hwy 36 and the description is 2.7 miles south 1 mile East of Mankato.
I might suggest 39.745156, -98.175749 as the location of the bridge on this page, but I'm uncertain. 1991 imagery isn't that great, but it may be a pony. 2018 imagery looks like a culvert.
Certainly an uncertain relation...Ö...
There are two Missouri Pacific trestles east and south of here. I don't see any historic references showing a crossing at this location although there clearly is one.
Additionally, this may be the former location of the county "Poor Farm" as the nearby cemetery is named the Poor Farm Cemetery.
Awesome field work as ALWAYS, Nick. Thanks
This one is recently replaced
Drove all around this property - it is a camp, with 2 small fairly-recrntly-made creek crossing bridges, and the shambles of a very old and gigantic wooden RR bridge which shows up on satellite very much looking like a pony of some sort, but is not. If this is not the Unnamed Creek Bridge correctly assigned to this listing I am not exactly sure where on this property it might be
Thanks, Art !!
I agree with your theory. Railroads were very into reusing spans that still had some life left in them. In fact, this article is a very interesting read:
I believe I have a location where this truss could have been moved to:
This is also a 140' truss (the measured distance between the east abutment on this bridge and the western pier, which appears to be a former abutment). Located Labette County, the bridge was relocated there around 1953. I've found that sometimes bridge parts could be in storage for several years. I believe there is a good change that the Salt Creek Bridge could be the original location.
Thinking about this....
Frisco used quite a few ~100-foot truss spans, and the stone pier on the west bank looks wide enough to support a truss. The 52-foot spans look older than 1951 but Frisco moved steel spans around quite a bit. Possibly the new piers and used spans were moved in to replace an old truss.
Former Frisco bridge on Carthage-Wichita line. Frisco steel bridge book says two 52-foot DPG and two 25-foot I-beams, installed in 1950. Not clear if that's the bridge or just the I-beams but the pictures look like just the I-beams.
Nice one. 7' tall. Very remote.
....and some signs of repairs over the years, and disrepairs - few blocks fallen/washed down creek
Glad noone gave up on this one.....there is an unmapped road "Wagon Wheel" that is in fact still open running on W side of creek, right behind local K-12 Centre School (not "Center") all the way N to bridge and beyond, way too muddy today to drive it (especially with my old camp trailer attached, so walked it, and a first for me at least, an engraved keystone - 1887 indeed. Where this road goes, have no clue, love all these mystery roads
Wo!! Love it
Possible to change status on this one to "replaced"? Thanks!!
Nick, added photo to existing entry. You are Probably right on pin. Not sure of loci.
Dana and Kay - Love that old photo thank you for posting. Curious about your pinned location, thinking the Smoky Hill River was the body of water that bridge crossed which is south of your pin, or there was a leg of the River that ran that far north way back late 19th century/earliest 20th century when that bridge was built, just curious, love to go investigate
Kansas & Oklahoma train passing over bridge July, 2009
Repeat listing for "Bee Creek Bridge" in same county
This bridge might not be as lost as we think. It was reportedly placed on the ground intact nearby. A photograph has surfaced on Facebook showing the bridge sitting on dry land and overgrown with weeds. It might still be hiding in the trees if somebody wants to do a field check.
Thanks Tony - glad this little one still standing!!
First time I've seen a plaque mounted that way! You're a trooper as always Nick!
Apparently this road has been closed for only a couple of years...it's amazing how little time it takes for a road to look like it's been abandoned for a century after it closes.
Exists!! And very old indeed, closed, with a long boggy walk to her - worth the journey. Neat survivor, great pillars - remote and spooky spot.
Aaaargh....plaque date broken off, and funny to even find one on such a tiny bridge, and hung sideways - all firsts, for me at least....absolute mess of a road after a heavy rain, parked 1/2 mile away and walked down muddy road to this little special one, holes rotted all the way through deck, but remains open to traffic
Stupp Bros. style plaque
Buddy of mine Taylor Kesl visited Jewell Co. same weekend recently I did and snapped these photos, some great ones, killer plaque, will try to get side and underneath shots if/when I'm way out that way again
Some very fine work has been done to this one, proudly shown off now as a major pedestrian walkway and attraction - sign says one of 4 Luten's remaining in KS I believe - love seeing this back (basically) in one piece
Believe you're right, Tony !!
Cool 106 y.o. queenpost, maybe hard to see in photos but one end is listing considerably to the side, vertical supports underneath leaning noticeably,very good candidate for collapse with heavy load across, very remote area
Yeah, I'm not opposed to changing names of those that are colloquially referred to as tunnels to say as such, but it should be made abundantly clear that unlike the cut-and-cover construction Royce is arguing against (Despite it typifying said construction style), these aren't considered tunnels on an engineering-level.
Another example of this would be the "Awful Tunnels" in Omaha.
Common nickname amongst drivers, but neither the city nor the railroad engineering department ever considered them tunnels.
Yes, I have heard the name "Subway" used before. Structures like this seem to be known as tunnels colloquially these days.
I've seen these sort of overpasses referred to as "subways" on occasion. That nickname (Which is common in Europe) seemed to fall out of favor due to the confusion with subway transit systems.
Some of them are locally referred to as tunnels, like two in Houston, Texas are.
I noticed both this bridge and BNSF-Madison street have a wooden and concrete railing on either side.Why is that?
The Tunnel VS. Not Tunnel debate always makes me think of this structure and its twin on Madison.
From the looks of the concrete there could be 2 more legs exposed soon Nick!
The 1941 KDOT county map shows US 50S taking a route through town but it's not clear where it crosses the river. In 1953 the bypass has been built.
So I'm guessing this was once HWY 50?
Hi Sheldon. It is good to have you back on here.
Regarding the older bridge, I suspect that the pony truss might have been brought it to replace a third stone arch span that either collapsed or was found to be unsafe for some reason. It is quite unusual to see a relatively light pony span paired with a sturdy stone arch structure.
If a third arch did collapse, then the county could have installed a pony span very quickly, especially if they had a spare one laying around in the yard.
Thank you, Luke!
Stone arch with a pony truss approach.
Great shots! I'm not as good at Pratt ponies from this era but a bit of a guess as to the builder, based on the railings: I'm guessing Massillon Bridge Co. with a mid 1880s - mid 1890s build date.
2 exposed legs 😃
And CLOSED to traffic
BEDSTEAD - pretty spot, this one is shaky, though hanging in there
Very pretty survivor this one
Polygonal Warren....love these monsters
Well, I cannot quite claim credit for the term, because I think that James came up with it. Still, it is quite appropriate.
I certainly respect that the landowner does not want the location to be posted publicly. Still, it is great that he saved the bridge from demolition.
This one replaced by UCEB - going to use Robert Elder's catchy word from now on, but by luck, friend told me her brother saved this bridge from the scrapper, and is now on his property not far away (see photo), by request did not want to share new exact location, but I visited yesterday, more likely an 1890-1910 bridge, in agreement with Robert, not a 1924
Long live Oliver R.
This bridge is lost. Replaced by a new concrete bridge in 2018.
I recall seeing a photograph of this bridge with its original concrete balustrade railings. The bridge looked beautiful with its original railings. With a nice restoration job, it could look beautiful again.
This one has been replaced
I took this video on July 22, 2018 of this bridge.
I put history about the bridge in the video.
Found a group of photos I forgot to post with visit - Feb., 2018. Old beauty, still open then.
KDOT has past county maps online. The 1987 map shows the road crossing the river, in 1998 the symbol for a gate is on either side of the river, and 2010 shows a gate on the west side and the road ends short of the river on the east.
I was researching this bridge because in 2010, I was following my AAA TripTik to take us from Independence, KS to Mansfield, MO. It took me down 3800 to a road closed sign!
I'm still wondering how AAA got it wrong!
Interesting that I can't find when the bridge disappeared.
Looks like this one replaced via sat. images
Current satellite imagery as of 7/18 and shadows cast in those images sure make that look like the case, Robert, agree
This one has been replaced
Dad said the bridge was built in 1950/1951
Looks like it's been replaced...
Beaut !! Fun visit. Both plaques gone now.....grrr....
This bridge is one of the most underrated closed spandrel concrete bridges in existence. Before satellite imagery was as good as is now, I had heard rumors of it extending over that island and across the east channel. I was very pleasantly surprised when satellite imagery became good enough to confirm the validity of those rumors.
It is sad that the easternmost span has collapsed but at the same time I'm thrilled that the overwhelming majority the bridge still exists. This is truly a spectacular structure.
If the City of Baxter Springs ever manages to purchase that island, this bridge could be an awesome restoration project if funding were available.
Neat one - could use a little TLC with decking, bit dangerous, several visitors while we were there, really neat large property full of historical buildings and other misc. pieces
Marshy, creepy, spooky, buggy spot, completely camouflaged from plain view and most satellite imagery
This one an absolute blast to visit, public side access at end of a city block, completely welcoming although should be careful when walking across the river span, as mentioned earlier, run into the famous purple paint "no trespassing" warning, and does in fact continue across marshland and halfway across another creek at other end before looks like a collapse or deconstruction (see satellite image - wow!!)...arch tops visible through platform, so fun, great piece of history, this may be one of the longer examples in existence?- love these bridges
This may be the most recent sections of abandoned trackage in the country. Itís only been out of service since 2012-13ish, when the new intermodal facility was constructed to the north. Previously BNSF had a Main 1 & Main 2 title for the line, being they split off prior to then.
Thanks for the update. I figured that this bridge would not be here much longer. Wilson County is now nearly devoid of historic highway bridges.
This bridge has been replaced.
No problem Nick! I have recently acquired complete bridge records for most ATSF divisions. This also includes most of Kansas. It certainly makes research a lot less hassle.
Thanks for filling in const. date and creek info John, couldn't find that in any of my data.
historic and notable bridges of the u.s.
I know most of the history of this KG&E power plant property as my father n both of my grandfathers worked here.
my thoughts exactly, Robert, your input is totally worth passing on to museum folks also in my opinion, that 10 year difference is pretty gigantic really....(new plaque time?)....the newspaper article is pretty solid evidence also
very nice !!
Perhaps it glows green...
This one's location may be under the lake.
1913 makes much more sense to me than 1923 as a construction date. By 1923, the pin-connected era was over. Even 1913 is rather late for a pin-connected bridge, but this particular structure was built in a rural area where pin-connected technology might have still been in use, albeit on the wane.
This bridge is rather heavily built for such as small bridge. Thus, it probably does date to the latter part of the pin-connected era. Thus, it looks exactly like what I would expect a 1913 pin-connected Pratt pony truss to look like.
Whenever I see a pin-connected truss with a post-1920 construction date, I always assume that the date is either an error, or a relocation/rehabilitation date.
This bridge was obviously narrowed when it was moved to the museum. Although I always prefer to see a bridge maintained at its proper width, the county deserves praise for preserving the most important aspects of this bridge. Such preservation is far preferable to demolition.
Picture taken September 2015
This bridge was burned in January, but repaired within a week or so:
And two weeks ago the entire trail was designated as a Kansas State Park:
Hopefully this sets a (positive) precedent in Kansas.
The following Newspaper.com OCR text for the August 11th, 1913 edition of Burlington, Kansas' Daily Republican mentions "The new Bennett bridge in Ottum", which I assume to be Ottumwa Township.
Thanks for making the journey Nick.
1923 !! Bennett Bridge !! From Coffey County !! Built by KC Bridge Co. !! Donated mid-90's, young staff had no idea where it was originally placed, or if that was the same year it was disassembled from unknown spot...I imagine someone here knows it's original location....neat old 5hing
Visited Coffey Co. Museum today, honestly one of the better County museums in Kansas, room after room, amazing....but the bridge....
Visited today. Correct photos, correct bridge this time - a monster
new (but couple years old) photos correctly posted here that were mistakenly uploaded first onto BNSF Cottonwood River bridge page (also Lyon County, KS)
ok, Finally fixing this, transferring all photos and info to BNSF Neosho Rapids bridge page
thanks, Tony !!
The abutments are the real prize here. My guess is that they once supported a pre-1900 metal or wooden truss of some sort.
Great find Nick... As always!
There is only one 149' Through Truss on the ATSF system in 1916 that was replaced prior to 1925, indicating that this truss likely came from that location. Original location is believed to be near Suwanee, NM.
Well, that branch came and went quickly. I found a map showing the crossing and based on your evidence I'll add the bridge and put it as related.
I have attached the information I used to find the original location of this bridge. This is the only truss that matches the given dimensions and year (100' built in 1907) on the entire system, despite being labeled a through truss. It also appears to be one of, if not the only pony truss on the ATSF system. If you look east of US-50, near where the levee curves, you can clearly see piers for a four span bridge. I believe this branch line was abandoned in the late 1930s, and according to:
was built between 1906 and 1908 as a short connecting route.