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Posted July 13, 2018, by Max

This may be the most recent sections of abandoned trackage in the country. Itís only been out of service since 2012-13ish, when the new intermodal facility was constructed to the north. Previously BNSF had a Main 1 & Main 2 title for the line, being they split off prior to then.

Posted July 12, 2018, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Hi Priscilla:

Thanks for the update. I figured that this bridge would not be here much longer. Wilson County is now nearly devoid of historic highway bridges.

Posted July 12, 2018, by Priscilla Petersen (priscilla [dot] petersen [at] ks [dot] gov)

This bridge has been replaced.

Posted July 11, 2018, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

No problem Nick! I have recently acquired complete bridge records for most ATSF divisions. This also includes most of Kansas. It certainly makes research a lot less hassle.

Posted July 11, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

Thanks for filling in const. date and creek info John, couldn't find that in any of my data.

Posted July 10, 2018, by Eric Kinkhorst (erick [dot] bud [at] gmail [dot] com)

Bridgehunter.com

historic and notable bridges of the u.s.

Posted July 10, 2018, by Eric Kinkhorst (erick [dot] bud [at] gmail [dot] com)

Wow

Posted July 7, 2018, by Roger Duroni (Rduroni [at] cableone [dot] net)

I know most of the history of this KG&E power plant property as my father n both of my grandfathers worked here.

Posted July 4, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

my thoughts exactly, Robert, your input is totally worth passing on to museum folks also in my opinion, that 10 year difference is pretty gigantic really....(new plaque time?)....the newspaper article is pretty solid evidence also

Posted July 4, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

very nice !!

Posted July 4, 2018, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Perhaps it glows green...

Posted July 4, 2018, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

This one's location may be under the lake.

Posted July 3, 2018, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

1913 makes much more sense to me than 1923 as a construction date. By 1923, the pin-connected era was over. Even 1913 is rather late for a pin-connected bridge, but this particular structure was built in a rural area where pin-connected technology might have still been in use, albeit on the wane.

This bridge is rather heavily built for such as small bridge. Thus, it probably does date to the latter part of the pin-connected era. Thus, it looks exactly like what I would expect a 1913 pin-connected Pratt pony truss to look like.

Whenever I see a pin-connected truss with a post-1920 construction date, I always assume that the date is either an error, or a relocation/rehabilitation date.

This bridge was obviously narrowed when it was moved to the museum. Although I always prefer to see a bridge maintained at its proper width, the county deserves praise for preserving the most important aspects of this bridge. Such preservation is far preferable to demolition.

Posted July 3, 2018, by Emily Wortman (Emily_Wortman12 [at] outlook [dot] com)

Picture taken September 2015

Posted July 2, 2018, by Luke

This bridge was burned in January, but repaired within a week or so:

http://www.ottawaherald.com/news/20180123/flint-hills-bridge...

And two weeks ago the entire trail was designated as a Kansas State Park:

http://www.ottawaherald.com/news/20180621/flint-hills-trail-...

Hopefully this sets a (positive) precedent in Kansas.

Posted July 2, 2018, by Luke

The following Newspaper.com OCR text for the August 11th, 1913 edition of Burlington, Kansas' Daily Republican mentions "The new Bennett bridge in Ottum", which I assume to be Ottumwa Township.

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/124504913/

Posted July 2, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

Thanks for making the journey Nick.

Posted July 2, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

1923 !! Bennett Bridge !! From Coffey County !! Built by KC Bridge Co. !! Donated mid-90's, young staff had no idea where it was originally placed, or if that was the same year it was disassembled from unknown spot...I imagine someone here knows it's original location....neat old 5hing

Posted July 2, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

Visited Coffey Co. Museum today, honestly one of the better County museums in Kansas, room after room, amazing....but the bridge....

Posted July 2, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

Visited today. Correct photos, correct bridge this time - a monster

Posted July 1, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

new (but couple years old) photos correctly posted here that were mistakenly uploaded first onto BNSF Cottonwood River bridge page (also Lyon County, KS)

Posted July 1, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

ok, Finally fixing this, transferring all photos and info to BNSF Neosho Rapids bridge page

Posted June 30, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

thanks, Tony !!

Posted June 30, 2018, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

The abutments are the real prize here. My guess is that they once supported a pre-1900 metal or wooden truss of some sort.

Great find Nick... As always!

Posted June 29, 2018, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

There is only one 149' Through Truss on the ATSF system in 1916 that was replaced prior to 1925, indicating that this truss likely came from that location. Original location is believed to be near Suwanee, NM.

Posted June 26, 2018, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

Well, that branch came and went quickly. I found a map showing the crossing and based on your evidence I'll add the bridge and put it as related.

https://prd-tnm.s3.amazonaws.com/StagedProducts/Maps/Histori...

Posted June 26, 2018, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Clark,

I have attached the information I used to find the original location of this bridge. This is the only truss that matches the given dimensions and year (100' built in 1907) on the entire system, despite being labeled a through truss. It also appears to be one of, if not the only pony truss on the ATSF system. If you look east of US-50, near where the levee curves, you can clearly see piers for a four span bridge. I believe this branch line was abandoned in the late 1930s, and according to:

https://www.labellemodels.com/manuals/Atchison,%20Topeka%20&...

was built between 1906 and 1908 as a short connecting route.

Posted June 26, 2018, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

Going back to the 1894/1948 topo, the ATSF doesn't cross the Arkansas anywhere near Los Animas. Just east of town it crosses the Purgatoire River. Should we assume this was the original location?

Posted June 25, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

Tee Beams disappearing fast!

Posted June 17, 2018, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

The newspaper story said 1000 bushels of wheat in the trailer. I used to figure 60lb per bushel so 60k, 30T plus trailer and tractor.

Street view shows a sign posting tractor trailer combos max 17T, so probably the driver's insurance and ultimately the price of bread.

One summer years ago I hauled wheat and I remember the sense of urgency to get to the elevator and back, and a feeling of invulnerability when driving the back roads. I think if I had known anyone who had broken through I would have been more cautious.

Posted June 17, 2018, by Luke

Just for you, Dana/Kay

Posted June 14, 2018, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

This bridge has been in the news lately. I will try to attach some links when I'm on the computer. I'm having a little trouble attaching links from my smartphone tonight.

There has been a large Log Jam getting wedged against this bridge. There is always a danger that this could be used as a reason to demolish the bridge. That is exactly what happened with a Stone Arch Bridge in Chase County.

There is now a move under way to try to get this bridge listed in the National register of historic places. From what I understand, the County Commissioners are opposed to having the bridge listed.

Posted June 11, 2018, by Doug McDougal (lornargyll [at] yahoo [dot] com)

This bridge is no more--replaced with a new one by Miami County.

Posted June 5, 2018, by Jason Smith (flensburg [dot] bridgehunter [dot] av [at] googlemail [dot] com)

Article about this bridge: Mystery Bridge Nr. 96 is also a bridge in need of help as it had been submerged before the lake receded. Can somebody help relocate and reused this rare kingpost truss bridge? Details here: https://bridgehunterschronicles.wordpress.com/2018/06/06/mys... Thanks! :-)

Posted June 5, 2018, by Rhys Martin (rhysfunk [at] gmail [dot] com)

Stopped by to visit the bridge on a weekend trip through Kansas. Sad that it's still closed, but happy that it's not demolished! My poor little Nissan barely made it down those dusty roads.

Posted June 3, 2018, by Anonymous

If there is any good news out of this demolition thus far, at least it was the newer truss that was dropped in to the river. The 1960s bridge is obviously far less significant than the 1907 Bridge although it would be best if we did not lose either one.

I REALLY hope that there is some chance of saving the 1907 Bridge.

Posted June 3, 2018, by Bob Franke (rcfranke6813 [at] gmail [dot] com)

The truss over the Kansas River was dropped on the morning of June 2.

Posted May 28, 2018, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Upon further review...

This bridge DOES appear to have Cruciform Outriggers. This is a very significant bridge. It deserves to be preserved, probably away from the shoreline.

Posted May 28, 2018, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

A photograph of this bridge was just posted to the Facebook Group "Old and Interesting Places in Kansas.

This is a very old Kingpost truss bridge. It has latticed verticals and rests on built up latticed bents. It has an unusual looking floorbeam as well.

The bridge has outriggers, one of which is bent. I cannot tell from the photograph if these outriggers are cruciform or not.

This is truly an awesome Kingpost, but it is in serious danger. It is partially inundated by the waters of Milford Lake.

Posted May 21, 2018, by Luke

College Creek up by the dam in the arboretum.

The Squaw "swim" was a $20 dare.

Posted May 21, 2018, by Don Morrison

Lol; College creek above or below Lake Latrine?

Hazardous duty pay?

Posted May 20, 2018, by Anonymous

Thanks, I will have a look.

Posted May 19, 2018, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Here is a copy of the bridge book, which comes from a Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Railway bridge book from 1937, provided by the Fred M. and Dale M. Springer Archives.

Posted May 19, 2018, by Anonymous

Yes, the area around the Main Street Bridge has been altered greatly. The river has been channelized through there. The Marais des Cygnes River has a terrible history of flooding, and Ottawa needed to build a levee system to protect the town.

At one time, there were three truss bridges right next to each other over the river. Locust Street, the railroad bridge, and the Main Street Bridge.

Posted May 19, 2018, by Anonymous

Kansans tend to frown very strongly on any River related activities. Almost all rivers are considered privately owned except the Missouri, Kansas, and Arkansas. Thus, if you are canoeing on the Marais des Cygnes, Neosho, Verdigris, etc, you could potentially get reported for trespassing.

Posted May 19, 2018, by Luke

I've waded/swam in both College and Squaw Creeks.

Made money off the latter. :')

Posted May 19, 2018, by Don Morrison

I've canoed or tubed most of the rivers in the Story and Boone county area, and the Mitchell, Howard, and Winnesheik county area up north. The Maquoketa near Painted Rocks park is nice too.

Probably how I came to love those old iron trusses. 8^)

Floated over that low weir north of Ames off of Arrasmith Trail once. Ugh.

Posted May 19, 2018, by Luke

Iowa has a LOT of beautiful canoeing spots, despite all the crappy low-head dams.

Posted May 19, 2018, by Don Morrison

Possibly there was a park along the dam pool and people canoed there.

Surprised to hear that canoeing is limited in Kansas.

My favorite stream, the Upper Iowa River, is classified as non-meandered, so the land is private, only the water is public. Even so, it is the possibly the most popular canoe destination in the state.

Here's the old 2000 canoe guide.

http://publications.iowa.gov/15395/1/Iowa%20Canoe%20Guide%20...

Posted May 19, 2018, by Don Morrison

Fortunately, it appears that "ILoveBridges" was at one time traced to the Wichita area by wikipedia, so we might have a local resident there with more info on the Orme street ATSF bridge.

lol

Posted May 19, 2018, by Don Morrison

Hmmmm...

The ATSF bridge formerly crossing the Arkansas river at Orme Street in Wichita does not seem to appear on BH. Could it be 533A? Map seems to show a crossing there until circa 1970.

Posted May 19, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

Thanks cAPs Look and speeel cheerk get me every time!

Posted May 19, 2018, by Case Study

Maybe cAPS lOCK wasn't such a good idea in this cASE.

Posted May 19, 2018, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Robert,

No Information was given except for that it crossed the Arkansas River. I will post the record later this evening

Posted May 19, 2018, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

For those of us who are not railroad experts, where was bridge 553A? I am guessing the answer is not available on Google.

Posted May 19, 2018, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Yep thatís the one. Thanks for the add! This structure replaced a through truss.

Posted May 19, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

John Believe this to be the one

Posted May 19, 2018, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Robert,

The bridge I refer to is just to the west of Main Street. It was replaced with a series of I-Beams.

Posted May 19, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein
Posted May 19, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

Art Think the Dam was at Walnut

Posted May 19, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

Ott Dam removed 1959

Posted May 19, 2018, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

John:

There is still a truss bridge on the west side of town. It now serves as a rail trail. The chanelization project started just east of that bridge.

Posted May 19, 2018, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Robert,

I know there was a truss on the ATSF route heading south over the river. I believe it was replaced in the 60s? Iíll look further into it later this evening.

Posted May 19, 2018, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

The Marais des Cygnes River has been channelized through the entire Ottawa area. I suspect that this channelization process led to the destruction of any remaining historic bridges over the river in Ottawa.

This area once had an incredible collection of truss bridges, some of which were very ornate.

Posted May 19, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

thanks Robert!

Posted May 16, 2018, by Art S (asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

Interesting. The predecessor had vertical endposts in the middle but angled ones at the ends - made to resemble a continuous truss but function like a two span.

Posted May 15, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

1910 postmark

Posted May 15, 2018, by Dana and Kay Klein

Predecessor to this bridge?

Posted May 14, 2018, by Bob Franke

MoPac bridge #41 @ pole 355/28.

Posted April 30, 2018, by Ed Hollowell (erhollowell [at] aol [dot] com)

Any idea why they took the rivets out?

Posted April 28, 2018, by Larry Hornbaker (larryhornbaker [at] outlook [dot] com)

Stopped by this beautiful bridge recently and noticed some repair work on a plate with newer bolts and nuts next to the original rivets.

Posted April 22, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

looks like odd mix of old and older....lattice looks older than this bridge, but way it's attached looks original - neat one that my GPS says is in fact technically in OK, but whatever - on State Line Rd. (aka Treece Rd.), not much traffic here, not much anything here

Posted April 17, 2018, by Richie Kennedy (richiekennedy56 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Sadly, this bridge was lost to fire on April 16, 2018. Photos and video of the fire can be found here:

https://www.facebook.com/tyler.litch.9/posts/102154380082819...

Posted April 16, 2018, by John Marvig (marvigj27 [at] gmail [dot] com)

I have the build dates of this structure in my records. I will post them. To me, the bridge appears to be a standardized span

Posted April 16, 2018, by Dylan VanAntwerp (dylan_vanantwerp [at] live [dot] com)

The bridge was lost somewhere between 2008-2010, as historic aerials has aerial imagery of the bridge still intact that is dated to 2008. The bridge is gone in the 2010 image. It definitely looks to have been a flood victim, judging by how badly one of the main piers was pushed over. This line seems to have been sold off to the present day SKOL Railroad quite a long time ago. A 1986 ATSF Middle Division Track Chart (KS & OK) does not list this line under ATSF ownership.

Posted April 16, 2018, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Thanks to Debra for the new photograph. I am glad that the bridge is still standing, but it could collapse at any moment. That pylon is precarious to say the least.

This one needs immediate action to save it. Otherwise, somebody is looking at an expensive environmental cleanup.

Posted April 16, 2018, by Debra McKee (Debbymc56 [at] sbcglobal [dot] net)

Still standing - still looks like the east side could come down at any time. Visited on 4/14/2018

Posted April 16, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

lovely little spot

Posted April 14, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

2nd visit last weekend - little frosty but worth seeing again

Posted April 14, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

Very cool spot - old bridge on same line just to east of this obviously removed, but this one pretty solid, rails removed, date-stamped abutments, snowed early AM, warmed up quick, melting as I left

Posted April 14, 2018, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

I am amazed that this one has not been demolished. As of a few years ago it was considered a high priority for replacement because it was thought to be just like the I-35W Bridge in Minneapolis. Apples and oranges.

Posted April 13, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

Not seen one like this in Kansas. Love this thing. "Majestic" comes to mind....very cool

Posted April 13, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

Hearty old sucker....top-east end of the staircasing Gallup Rd.

Posted April 13, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

This one has been REPLACED

Posted April 13, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

This one rather remote, and somewhat spooky. Walking down the old right-of-way from the east you first come to a large gap between mounds on the road where an old bridge obviously once stood, next not far west is a sold 2 span pony, next further west is this bridge, maybe 80-100 yards long with a giant sea of fine sand beneath it on both sides, bobcat, deer, and other animal tracks visible in the sand, bridge a little bit in shambles but mostly solid - fascinating old road, would love more background on it

Posted April 13, 2018, by Anonymous

This bridge has had an extra diagonal with turnbuckle added. This is an interesting little modification.

Posted April 13, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

love the skeweds....hope this one has an even longer life

Posted April 13, 2018, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

Check the adjusted pin position. Still shown in 2017 NBI.

Posted April 13, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

Possible to change status on this one to "replaced" ? Thanks!

Posted April 12, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

Visited again this weekend, sans 4 tons of greenery. Better look this time of year.

Posted April 12, 2018, by Matt Lohry

I question whether the sufficiency and traffic count figures are actually for this bridge...it appears to be basically serving as someone's driveway, as the road ends at a house just past (west of) the bridge. The ADT of 30 seems much higher that what it could realistically be...and, if a bridge like this could score anything above 5, let alone 57, I would be amazed.

Posted April 12, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

Bridge pin should be moved a little north, it is at the end of dead-end Rd. 30 that leads into private property on other dide, just south of Independence Rd. Neat little thing, long curvy on Independence Rd. to get there, pretty desolate.

Posted April 11, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

Elvis has been spotted. Creepy doesn't quite describe the walk to this one. A sea of sand everywhere, with wild cat tracks everywhere. Made it to the looooong abandoned concrete bridge on same closed right of way few yards west of this also - even more creepy.....

Posted April 11, 2018, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

This is quite interesting. A group of people have put a special walkway over the bridge. This is an especially interesting development given the remote location of the bridge.

You can't say that Kansans don't love their truss bridges. Now, hopefully the Whitewater River will behave itself and not take out that pylon.

Posted April 11, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

Visited this past weekend, new walkway has been put down for hikers and bicyclists I'm assuming, stone pillars still in the same precarious standing, overall entire bridge seems very sketchy but very happy to see it still relatively in one piece, great piece of KS history, a low-water crossing, albeit extremely steep and rather dangerous looking, sits on the side

Posted April 11, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

This is the bridge at that exact pinned spot. And road is OPEN, as is bridge, not closed, to traffic. Not exactly what was expected there....

Posted April 10, 2018, by Luke
Posted April 7, 2018, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

The center pier in photo 3 looks different from photos 2 and 4.

Posted April 4, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

This one is no more

Posted April 4, 2018, by Nick Schmiedeler (nick [at] nickschmiedeler [dot] com)

This is the same bridge as McKnab Bridge posted on Cowley County page.