Why would they have done a 1990 inspection on a bridge that had been closed for over 40 years? I will discount the traffic count of 100 as a WAG.
Sounds plausible to me Don... Thanks for the great detective work!
And yes, I agree that an edit post feature would be nice if possible. Many times I have written a long-winded comment and posted it... Only to find that I made a typo or other gaffe of some kind!
There was a bridge at 39.068438, -86.300785. It was gone before 1998 Google Earth imagery, so it may have been in place for 1992 and 1996 NBI.
The bridge doesn't exactly cross Middle Fork, but it's road begins near Maumee Rd, and may have been an extension of Maumee rd. at one time. Bing calls it N. county road 1300W.
In fact, a bridge in Jackson County on the same road has been listed as a Maumee rd bridge, over Combs creek.
So, maybe we can assume that the Maumee Rd. over Sycamore concrete bridge (1935) (NBI) (at 39.049813, -86.288802) is also along this road between the geo coordinates I gave for the lost bridge area and the Combs creek bridge, and get a 2 for 1 bridge locations.
The Sycamore bridge can be seen in Bing and both Sycamore and the lost bridge area can be seen in Google Earth 3/30/2005 imagery.
Note to James: Is it possible to add an edit post option to the forum?
Glad you got to it Mike! I have some rather poor quality County highway department pics of it taken I guess when it was still open, but I decided not to post them here. Good to know it still exists!
Not sure if the coordinates are correct though, from my knowledge of the area Maumee Road is farther to the South.
Great! I will track down the photo I have of Maumee Road bridge!
I tracked down the coordinates for this bridge from the 1996 NBI, and it appears that this is the same bridge as this:
I have searched everywhere in this area for this and Maumee Road bridge in Jackson County. The park rangers that I have talked to don't know anything about truss bridges in the park. I believe that, since the county line is very much the center of both, the two bridges may be the same one (???) I'll keep digging.
Another one of the cant-get-there-from-here items. The deck is paved, but the land owner, who is around 50, grew up there and sez that the bridge was never open in his lifetime. There is a lot of damage to the southwest corner, which the owner sez has been there as long as he can remember. This truss is still used by the farmers in the area.
Construction starting soon.
What's the update of this blue bridge of this rolling lift type?
Do any of you know the update about this Strauss rail bridge is it removed or remain abandoned in the raised position?
Can anyone tell if this bridge is the Monon High bridge or the Wildcat Creek Trestle?
Closed after an inspection Friday, though it is said the recommendation is for repair.
Picnic photograph at Dunn's Bridge, 1911.
Postcard image of Dunn's Bridge, 1910.
Color postcard image of Dunn's Bridge, 1909.
Photograph of Dunn's Bridge, 1909.
Automobile race traversing across Dunn's Bridge, 1915.
You can read an extended history of Dunn's Bridge at this blog site:
Bridge will be gone by fall.
Site visited this bridge last weekend. Bridge clearly has been closed to traffic for emergency repairs, but should reopen soon. It appears someone hit one of the endposts, damaged/destroyed it and the hip vertical, and also hit the vertical-mounted guardrail so hard the guardrail bolts tore themselves out of the wrought iron. The county's implemented repair is sketchy at best. The new hip vertical looks fine, but they welded a new endpost together and also put inserted real rivets, but they appear to have cut, welded, and ground the field end of the rivets. So its flat looking on the field end. It probably took 10x longer to make this sorry attempt at a replica than it would have taken to hire a company like Bach Steel to simply fabricate and ship an exact replica using real rivets.
Oh yeah, one other thing. SHAME ON INDOT for choosing demolition!
Site visited last weekend. Bridge is still there, no construction activities yet. My guess is later this spring.
I found hidden on the ends of one of the railings behind a bush/tree two plaques, one original for National Concrete, the other a rehab plaque from 1991. The rehab plaque says the bridge was originally built 1908-1909. Easy to miss! Sadly, I also found this bridge is in a sorry state today. They added ugly corrugated steel under the arch barrel, and wrapped the spandrel walls in the orange plastic safety fencing. So it looks absolutely horrible. Sad to see this outcome for one of the oldest Luten arch bridges in existence.
This was my first visit since they started replacement. I hated to see it, but progress...@#$&%!!!!
The newest GE satellite view (3/28/2016) shows the old bridge still sitting on the south side of the road, just east of the new eyesore. It blends in with the trees almost perfectly, but once you see it, it's easy to spot.
There is a rather large dead looking tree that is in danger of dropping on this bridge before too long if nothing is done with it.
Too bad Bedstead gone, Thanks for making the journey!
This little beauty is sitting just to the east. Quite an item. An ancient road grater made in Indianapolis.
Visited this bridge today and it looks like the repair is moving along at a brisk pace. Good for Paoli and Indiana!
Great to see this bridge! I'm sure we traveled this a lot when I was a kid, but I don't remember it.
As of February 2017, still going strong!
Now, unfortunately, this baby has been replaced anyway. Boo!
I used to hang out with my buds at the "Haunted Bridge" in Avon. Great times!
yeah... One of the many!
I spent 6 months there as an inspector, and have been there several times at night... Nothing! I suspect that the kids from Anderson and Pendleton that frequent it add fuel to the story!
Mike... You should have hollered being as you were in my neck of the woods! I haven't been over in a couple years, but the last I knew the gate was unlocked. The county still maintains right-of-way on that road as there are utilities down it. A man that lives by it supposedly claims he owns it, but doesn't!
Is this the bridge that has a "haunted" aspect to it? Something to do with a crying woman and her baby. I know, where are hundreds of these fellers running around, but...
Overall the paint job is holding it's own... Just splotchy from covering up graffiti over the past 10+ years! I was never a fan of the White paint job, but it had previously been painted that color and became known as the White Bridge until research turned up the historic Hays name. The secondary primer coat was a neat Red color and I wish it had been left that!
HA!!! I was just here Saturday Jan 28 myself! John, you probably passed me. Couldn't find anyone around to let me go check it out, so I'll need to go back another time (Boo Hoo). The one pix I got was horribly distant, so...
Does seem like the first step to replacement......
Should we be concerned that the load limit has been reduced from 10 tons to 5 tons?
We were driving a long at a steady pace, suddenly the road changed to gravel, we slowed down as the road dipped into a valley and hugged a creek bed. The banks of the creek worn away by time, jutting out in smooth and jagged outcroppings. The road weaved and followed the meandering path of the creek. Clusters of trees clung to the hillsides and fields as we rounded the last curve. Then there beneath the limbs of its watchful guardian, accompanied by a lone aging barn. The bridge sat, graciously allowing us passage to the other side. Few bridges ever last this long, forgotten and tucked away on this less traveled backroad, quietly serving its purpose for over 122 years. Hidden from the world this little gem still gets to shine, we hope to return again one day down the heavenly winding path that led us to you.
Looks like an older Luten style arch to me.
Good Movie Railing..........for short subject!
Good Movie Railing..........
Truck Company Insurance funding full 700K. Good news indeed.
Good news, it's being fixed! Don't know any details:
Unacceptable. Clearly, qualified firms like Bach Steel were not consulted for creative ways to complete this rehabilitation within the available budget. Even worse, the Indiana SHPO claimed this bridge wasn't eligible for the National Register of Historic Places? That is ridiculous. Does Indiana really have a surplus of riveted Warren deck truss railroad bridges?
A $484,862 contract to renovate this bridge has been awarded.
Background of picture 1 did anyone notice the concrete arch bridge, Assuming that may be the railroad bridge or maybe an even older bridge north of the bridge.
Background of picture 1 did anyone notice the concrete arch bridge, Assuming that may be the railroad bridge.
This is the same bridge as Busseron Creek CR 500 S https://bridgehunter.com/in/sullivan/busseron-creek/
This is the same bridge as Boone Cemetery https://bridgehunter.com/in/sullivan/boone-cemetery/
If anyone visits this area, Clayshire Castle is about a mile away. Bed and breakfast built as a medieval castle. Cool as hell. Also IN 46 Eel River Bridge a few miles away.
Clay Co has used several pieces of this bridge to modify (?) their ugly-turd culvert bridge. I have seen several little pieces used like this in other structures here and in Greene County. Kinda gruesome.
Additional comment about that old bridge for those of you familiar with Danville:
I found online a library of yearbooks of Central Normal College you can flip page by page and found a photo, (not very good resolution) of a celebration in the park, of several people sitting on the grass on the northwest corner of the old football field, and amazingly in the background of that photo, you can see the overhead dirt berm that supported the interurban rails that today would completely bury the swimming pool, Little League diamond, from the creek up to Columbia Street, (top of the hill.) In 1961 when they dismantled all the rails etc. Most of that dirt was moved across 36 to fill in behind the old Hooks Drugstore, current Marathon and housing addition back there as well. And yes, you guessed it, the cinders were used for the track around the football field at that time.
I ran across an old book I was allowed to borrow on the history of Hendricks County and found a passage that stated, " The first interurban car ran into Danville, ( across the bridge in the park ) at 11:05 am on August30 1906, over the Indianapolis and Western, now a division of the Terre Haute, Indianapolis and Eastern ." This actually occured 1 year before the rail line opened from Indianapolis , Clermont, Brownsburg, Pittsboro, Lizton, Crawfordsville, that is still used today. Harley kc9gld
The old bridge pictured was several miles North in North Hammond over the Grand Calumet River.
This street view is of the wrong bridge. This view is of the Hohman avenue bridge over the Little Calumet River in South Hammond.
I'm so looking forward to the day that the trail will be finished to Monterey, IN and the bridge restored to carry trail traffic across. Long live rails to trails.
Unknown driver, future uncertain:
This is the bridge looking South West
Another ugly MOB coming soon to a Greenway near you...
Kudos Todd B.
Oh Dear Lord!!! }:-O
Bridge is doomed
Damaged by possible oversized farm equipment on November 10th 2016 and closed to traffic. Boone County currently reviewing options for repair.
This might better be called "Frankenbridge Vs. The Warren Cantilever Bedstead"... And unfortunately the very rare and unique bedstead lost!
Might also label this one... "Hey, hold my beer and watch what I can do with these steel beams and a welding torch!".
Saw comments about counties letting old bridges deteriorate and then they tear them down and they were worried about that happening to this bridge. And another person put that the state website said it was scheduled to be replace. It is my understanding that when the county took over 403 that it was in the agreement that the state had to replace it within 5 years because the county knew it could not afford to. Also there was a meeting about the bridge replacement in September 2014 where they said if no one came forward to take responsibility of it that it would be demolished. That party could dismantle it and move it or leave it and maintain it since the new bridge will be built next to it. I haven't been able to find out anything else about the meeting or the bridge. I live near by and think it would be cool if it stayed and got turned into a little park like area.
Hope this was informative
Yay!! Happy this bridge has found a home. I wish the powers-that-be here in Owen County would have thought it important enough to save it, and others, here. I believe the Patricksburg Road bridge is next.
This bridge has been relocated in Maryland, it has been shipped to a private individual that is putting it back together for his own use near Pasadena Maryland. It will be taking the place of the owners old bridge that was destroyed in a flood last year. I have included a couple pics of the bridge, one is the floor beams numbered for the installer, and one is of one of the trusses getting ready to be loaded onto a trailer for shipment.
I crossed the bridge Thursday, November 24th on my bicycle in the rain (very, very slick) on my way up to Northern Indiana for Thanksgiving. It was raining and quite cold so I only took a few pics.
Is this bridge being used at all any more? We used to see a lot of trains come from Illinois into Vincennes, but heard the bridge was no longer being used.
Bob: I hope you don't mind that I have posted your photo.
Indiana has a rather remarkable Bridge Management plan. Note this bridge was categorized as "Non-Select" this is a polite way of saying "Death Sentence" supposedly they still do Section 106 but its likely a farce. In contrast if a bridge is lucky enough to be "Select" then preservation is nearly certain. I say "nearly" because in Indianapolis, they were able to bypass this designation to demolish a rare Melan concrete arch. But most of the time "Select" bridges are saved. Its a good system with the exception that some bridges for which preservation was clearly feasible and prudent, were nevertheless classified as "Non-Select." This bridge is a great example... it is noteworthy as a pin-connected truss, and it was feasible to restore. Yet it still got the "Non-Select" death sentence.
Yes, the bowstring might end up in another county. I just want to see it saved and restored (incl. removing added junk) before it is lost!
Only existing Smith Bridge Co. bowstring!!!
This was only ever a single-span bedstead Mike... Probably just some erosion on that one end makes it look like there might have been more.
Sorry, JP. Game over here. It also appears that Pike County may be attempting to sell off the Patoka River Bowstring bridge. Brazil, in Clay County Indiana reports their interest. Oh crap!!
Machete is a must! (besides, you never know when you'll run upon a Walker) It was getting late and we were about 150 miles from home, so I just squeezed off a few pix until I can return. My query was based on the east side of the bridge. There is around 6 - 8 feet of drop off before you reach bridge. I imagine this side of ground must have collapsed. GOT to go back and check it closer. Sorry for the vague question.
I know these pix suck, but they still give a little idea of this bridge.
I'm not sure of your question...
If you are asking, "Was there another bridge at this location?" my guess is "no" because this it seems unlikely that an earlier truss was replaced in 1910.
If you are asking, "Is there currently more than one span here?" I would guess "no". Looking with Google Earth, I don't see anything else, and it's a pretty small creek and a pretty small road to have had two spans end to end OR side by side.
There is something about 1500ft north-northeast that could be a concrete bridge/culvert that the creek has washed around.
Next time, maybe take a machete. *smiles*
I will return to get better pictures asap. I waited too long in the evening. LOTS of briars. Does it look possible (hard to tell with these pix) that there could have been two trusses?
I stopped to see the bridge, about a week before the ribbon cutting. Anyway, the campground this bridge is in is seasonal and you may find the entrance gated off if you visit. I had to park and walk back to the bridge from the gate. Not a big deal, but just a heads up.
Also, this project was designed and bid to use all-riveted construction (at least that was my understanding). However many of the connections (I am guessing ones put together in the field) for the lattice truss were bolted. I was a bit surprised to see this.
The responsibility for the canal and it's structures was transfered a few years ago from the Dept. of Natural Resources to the Indiana State Museum. I wonder if the State Museum was ready for what it was getting into. The canal has silted up considerably and the lock needs repairs.
I thought it looked kinda "Saggy"when I was there a couple weeks ago! It is normal for them to divert the water off of the canal in winter and is obviously the best time for maintenance... Although it sounds as if it might not be in service for 2017 season. Better safe than sorry with this unique structure, and it will probably require constant maintenance due to the load carried. I hope they also do some work on the Eastern abutment, tuck-pointing and such.
Duck Creek Aqueduct suffered structural damage after heavy rains in Sept. 2016. The canal has been diverted off the aqueduct and much silt has been removed from the floor as a first step in repairs. Estimates of date for repair have been reported as sometime in late 2017.
I added the page to bridgehunter to reflect that the bridges are now relocated and open to the public in Koteewi Park, Noblesville, Indiana
sorry, i had the wrong bridge, please delete my comments from earlier
This bridge is not lost, we did a rehab job on it several years ago, realigned the road and moved the pier and north abutment it is in very good shape to this day.
Yeah... I remember about 1999 talking to an official up there about why this bridge wasn't being saved. A town with the rich history of Wabash, you would think it a no-brainer... It wasn't!
Well... Let me rescind that... It WAS a no-brainer by the officials who voted to demolish it!
2000 according to the NBI
Does anyone know what year this bridge got torn down?
...Oh, and George Mater! Sorry George!!
I'm not 100% positive Gloria, but my guess is that Mr. Britton started the bridge in 1882 under one set of commissioners and auditor... And finished it in 1883 with the newly elected officials. I assume that someone has been gleaning the record books to find this information.
J.A. Britton is the one constant here.
Why are there different dates and different names on each end of this bridge?
Every time I think of this bridge and the evil, selfish, and sorry excuse for a human being who committed this deed, I want to give him a date with OLD SPARKY.
Apparently the alleged perp allegedly returned to the scene of the crime and allegedly scrapped out the rest of the bridge.
He also spent some time in prison for causing an oil spill in the Schuylkill River in Pennsylvania.