Construction on this bridge's replacement has slowed down due to flooding on the Illinois River.
Sorry Sheryl, this site is here to promote the preservation of historic bridges and not to help demolish them.
I am writing to ask when this bridge is going to be replaced or fixed?
It gets worse every day. I wonder who will be on it when it collapses!
Please can someone help with this issue?!
I have found that most of these fabricators were constantly tweaking their designs to be more efficient, but not necessarily patenting every one. It certainly makes sense that a single rolled arch should be cheaper and easier to construct. If I am confident of a builder without documentation I usually list them with a (Likely Fabricator) tag attached.
Do we suspect this is CBW or is there evidence? The reason I ask is this bridge had curved, rolled beams for the bow whereas other CBW have a series of straight sections. This one is similar to the other 'CBW' little bowstring.
I'm curious as to whether this was done on the smaller bowstrings, later bowstrings or if its a different builder (maybe Missouri Valley?)
The IL-106 Illinois River bridge has been hit yet again by a barge and is now again closed indefinitely.
I believe the bridge should be the Mark B. Morris (not N. Norris) Bridge. https://iowadot.gov/autotrails/morrisbridge
This bridge was lost in the flood of May 2011. I wanted a photo of it before Google Earth updates.
Thanks Tony ! I'm thrilled you have finally identified the Mystery Whipple postcard I have. I've wanted a photo of this bridge for a long time. Apparently I've had it...
We have our answer !
Mike, judging by the third picture, after the truck did it's damage to the bridge, I believe it was repaired and re-opened. When I was a child, I recall asking my late father about the bridge, as he used to take his rail-buggy through the creek when it would dry out, and I remember him saying something about the bridge being replaced sometime in the late 60's.
Yeah, that threw me off at first - trying to find that exact name on the map and in the NBI yielded nothing, so I had to follow the creek northward on the map.
I do still kind of wonder about the apparent 11-year difference between this bridge's floor collapse and the building of the current Dillinger Road bridge - is the latter a typo, where it should be listed as 1958 instead of 1968, or is 1968 correct?
Melissa, I noticed that as well, which is what made me so apprehensive to comment, but after searching, and searching, I just knew that this had to be the bridge. I've known about this bridge for as long as I can remember. The view used to be a lot less obstructed, but I would always make it a point to look for the bridge every time we passed. I've just recently gotten into local exploration, and it, and this website in particular, have been truly amazing. Curiosity definitely got the better of me with this bridge.
I Finally noticed the articles say "Crab Orchard Hill Road"
James Horn, I'd Love to see photos of it ! I live up in White County. I don't get out to field visit bridges as often as I'd like to.
Property ownership info for Jackson County, IL, is available at this website:
Thank yíall for the responses! The picture isnít the best, but hereís a view of the former bridge from the current bridge. As someone pointed out, Iím almost positive that this is on private property, but I used to live just up the way, so I plan on finding out exactly who owns the property to see if I can get any closer. If not, Iíll head out that way Tuesday with my zoom lens.
Thank you to Everyone!
I set the pin based on the 1936 map.
There was also an Illinois Central crossing to the north of the current bridge.
I think we have a winner. Looking at the Herrin quadrangle maps from 1910 and 1936, there was only one bridge across Crab Orchard Creek that could be described as 3.5 miles northeast of Carbondale, and it's the location next to modern-day Dillinger Road.
Mike, I appreciate your assistance. I wonder if there are remnants of This bridge or a later one ?
I gather this is where James is referring to: https://www.google.com/maps/place/37%C2%B046'18.6%22N+89%C2%...
Quite a bit of guesswork to stumble onto this point - starting with ILL-13 over the creek (closest obvious point given the location info), follow the creek north, it turns into the Big Muddy River on the map, and eventually that hits Dillinger. More guesswork reveals that Dillinger Road is CH 11, which has only one NBI listing. Build year for that is 1968 - eleven years after this?
Not sure that would add up to whatever shows there on satellite being ruins of THIS bridge, but whatever is there may be worth investigating. One caveat to that though: Looks like there are someones who live right there.
James, I'm not sure. I was unfamiliar with the area and unable to map it.
As your coming down Dillinger Road, from Reed Station Road, youíll go down the hill and hit the bridge; now to your left, there is an older bridge, maybe 45-50 yards back, is this that same bridge?
Looking closer at this bridge, it appears that the lift span was constructed out of the original 1898 span. This seems to be an unusual modification for this time period.
Bridge is now closed for months of emergency repairs!
Damage to Western side of Eastern leg of bridge 2012
West leg of bridge in 2012
this is correct location and both top and bottom are in use top is till active rails lower is RTV trail
Maintenance will take place this summer. Keep your distance unless you enjoy becoming acquainted with BNSF police. Itís a different world for trespassing railfans these days, as it should be. Too many crew members have had to deal with fatalities or close calls with trespassers, particularly on structures with limited means of egress or the emergency platforms. Regardless of how well you think you know railroads and operations, itís no place for you.
Noticed this on my way to Princeton Indiana today.
That would be https://bridgehunter.com/il/winnebago/bh41898/
That would be https://bridgehunter.com/il/winnebago/bh41899/
Illinois Central built this Bridge
picture of bridge before removal
picture of what is left
here is a pic of old bridge
here is a photo
Surprise Rural StreetView strikes again! Though given the replacement, in this case it's only because the latest is from June 2013.
In any case, that at least gives us a glimpse of what it looked like...
Found a railroad document for this bridge, which gives a build date of 1887, but does mention reconstruction. On a side note, the span appears to actually be continuous, with only one vertical member at the center and no gap in the bridge.
Based on the full-length diagonals alternating (Changing direction), I feel it is correctly labeled as a sub-divided Warren.
I believe the design of the main span is a Parker (Camelback) subdivided Pratt through truss.
A private research library in Chicago houses the CB&Q bridge records from approximately 1918. Finding information on this bridge is a priority for myself. I suspect this bridge is newer than 1892, judging by the unique design. The upper connections are riveted, while the lower connections are pinned. I've only ever seen a handful of bridges which are of hybrid design like this. I would estimate this bridge to have been constructed between 1900 and 1910. The missing approach plaque also appears to be a King Bridge plaque.
Glad to see you got some pictures lately Steve! I always enjoy seeing what you find.
Pics# 3&4 are of Big George Branch Bridge BH15060
it was so cold when pouring the concrete they feared it would freeze before curing. they used steam from an old boiler to run steam pipes thru to keep the concrete warm until it cured. I believe the small hut with the chimney in this photo would be the steam engine house. The concrete pour is nearly to the top in this photo.
original bridge was built in 1881
photo of falsework around old bridge
photo from construction
built on top of another bridge!
photo of construction/falsework
Tim,is this bridge still standing?
IT Possum Trot Eastbound in 1951
IT Possum Trot with US 150 trusses on the right, Looking East toward Hillery/Danville
photo 1939 looking south from powerhouse
In 1990 Western portion of the double tracked bridge was removed by the Wisconsin Cetral at the time that the C&NW was raising the bridge to accomodate double stacked trains on all for of the tracks they had at the time.
The bridge is the original from the teens, but shaved to carry one track.
Does appear to be the same bridge Ross, wonder if they have a plan for it or just didn't want to see it scrapped like all of the other trusses in the county!
Appears this might be located at the grain elevator at Fountain Creek just down the road.
Which span was the plaque on? It could be an older approach to the bridge. I believe the 1960 date comes from when the original truss bridge was replaced.
bridge listed as being built in 1960...was there much longer than that...builders plate indicates Cleveland Bridge works 1896...
It looks like the approach spans of this bridge are still historic, despite the lift span not being historic.
Photograph, ca 1920
article from CONCRETE VOL VIII, January 1908
Photograph, ca 1908
article from CONCRETE VOL VIII, January 1908
found this photo
sangamon river foundation work photo
came across this photo
here is a plan view layout showing
Br No 1923 over "Public Road" now bridge over Cemetery Rd
Br No 1922 over C.B. & Q. RR
Br No 1921 over Sugar Creek
Br No 1920 over "Public Road" no road but bridge still exists
Br No 1921: 3 - 30' Concrete Arches
This bridge is actually located at 39.518524, -89.795785 just to the north of the CNW bridge over BNSF (former Chicago Burlington & Quincy)
here is a plan view of the viaduct and the diamond to the west.
here is a photo from 1914 showing the original viaducts with the earthen berm created by dredging the surrounding farmland.
C.P. & St.L. diamond with the Wabash just west of this bridge. The C.P. & St. L. was abandoned in 1925 per the referenced document here. C&NW decided to build over the top of both railroads.
Br No 1891 - 34' D.P.G. Span
Br No 1890 over Lick Creek
here is a snippet from Railway Age Gazette Vol 56, 1914:
South of the river the country west of Springfield is rolling for several miles, the next work of importance being the crossing of the C. P. & St. L. (now Abandoned), the Baltimore & Ohio (near Jefferson at BANDO) and the Wabash (now Norfolk Southern) near the town of Curran. The C. P. & St. L. crosses the Wabash at grade just east of this town and the new North Western line crosses both of them overhead just east of the grade crossing.
Attached is a photo from 1914
This bridge is over Old IL 54 and an abandoned rail line built as the Chicago Peoria and St. Louis Railway between springfield and lockhaven: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1Q91IBeZLh916Q5auDa...
This bridge is over the Norfolk Southern Railway not the KCS. The CNW crosses the KCS approx 3/4 mile south of this bridge.
Agreed. The covered bridge just downstream (defiled as it may be) makes some sense to have here, but this?
Why was this added exactly...? This is just a UCEB
I've made that same comment before CV!
Let's both get one and then we can tag team the bigger ones... And do twice as many smalls!
I need someone to buy me a Chinook as a retirement gift....
I agree. While $20k isnít a huge investment, it is still a significant investment. Wonder how much a short span like this would be worth to Savanna, a city which clearly values its railroad heritage.
More research on the truss needs to be done. It appears it may date to the mid to late 1890s, which would make sense considering the 1924 NBI date. Perhaps finding some cool historical information on the bridge would also make preserving it an idea that someone with money would be more willing to consider.
'That' hard. The hard part isn't the actual craftwork.
That costs about 20k or more to pull with equipment, labor, transportation, mobilization. Tree removal too.
Money saves bridges.
I would think this would be a salvageable one. The original railroad floor was removed and a wood one installed. Short span, canít imagine it would be *that* hard to move.
Save the Ponies!!