And Dude, this is the UP's ex-Chicago and Northwestern giant culvert. The Milwaukee Road's bridge over the same street, is behind you, to the west.
This tunnel was built first, then the dirt was piled up to it. On this low section of bottom land (and just north of Downtown Janesville) the railroads built wooden trestles then dumped dirt to fill them in. You can still see evidence of this at the bridge on North Main Street, just off Centerway. Rockport Road was Western Avenue when this early poured concrete monstrosity was built. The CNW took old growth trees, alive when Chief Blackhawk was a papoose, right next to the ROW and turned them into trestlework. This entire line, from Chicago to Baraboo, was originally double tracked and was the faster route to the Twin Cities rather than going through Milwaukee.
Dude, you have a couple of discrepancies regarding this bridge. It is owned by the Union Pacific and LEASED to the WSOR. This is a FIXED bridge-no moving spans. The center span was made beefier to handle the entire weight of a train on the entire formerly double tracked bridge. The reason the bottom beam is painted yellow is so the drunk boaters, on Lake Wisconsin, don't hit it. They do anyway. Before the Wisconsin River was dammed up at Prairie du Sac, the water level was 15 feet lower and any traffic could pass beneath the center span. The Wisconsin was never deep enough to handle commercial boat traffic. You should ask about the Great Railroad Tie hiest from this line. LOL!
The photo and the map location your site has for the Camino Del Rey Bridge in Bonsall, CA are incorrect. The photo location looks west under the newly constructed bridge on CA-76 and shows the Bonsall Bridge in the background. The map locates the position where the photo is taken from. The actual Camino Del Rey Bridge is approximately 1.8 mile NNW of photo and map locations.
Actually, this bridge does not exist in any form. When the original was demolished near 2000, there was no replacement even considered.
Closed to traffic May 2011
Here are some photos of this old bridge before they took out all but the center span. I have some old family photos of the bridge that I cannot seem to find, so sadly these aren't mine. These are screen caps from a DVD from Pentrex about the rail line this bridge was part of. I highly recommend this DVD to any rail fan.
You can order said DVD here http://www.pentrex.com/rthdvd.html For a nice preview go here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_33Xe9XTMQ&feature=player_embedded.
First picture is a side view of the bridge.
Second picture is a photo taken by someone standing on the curved section of the bridge.
Third doesn't show the old bridge itself, but was taken of the US 27 road bridge, and in the background is the current rail bridge, and was taken standing on the old bridge.
I was really excited to watch this DVD and was even more excited to find these great shows of this bridge before they took down most of it. This program was filmed somewhere in the mid 1990s.
These images are copyright of Pentrex, and were posted with copyright permission from them.
I had not heard of the Lackawanna Bridge Company...until now!
LACKAWANNA BRIDGE COMPANY, BUFFALO, NY, WAS A FABRICATOR.
LACKAWANNA STEEL COMPANY WAS A STEEL MILL. I BELIEVE THE BRIDGE COMPANY WAS A SEPARATE COMPANY UNTIL THE STEEL CO. AQUIRED IT IN 1921.
I grew up near this bridge. This is also known as Foster Bridge, so named for J.W Foster who owned the land in the late 1800's. This new bridge is the 3rd. bridge in this spot. The remnents of the previous 2 can still be seen down stream.
I'm looking up the date that the bridge was restored after Hurricane Floyd and for some reason nothing is updated on these websites. Guess I take the drive to see if they have the new date on the bridge. Seems odd that there is nothing on this after 20 odd years.
Lackawanna would have been the mill that provided steel to the bridge company.
I agree Luke...this is a very cool and historic pedestrian bridge. A nice find too!
This bridge was built during WWII during the line relocation due to Fontana Dam being built. It was built by TVA from steel reused from other bridges and sources because of steel shortage during the war.
The bridge is a skewed Double Warren design, of which three very similar examples remain in service in the immediate area. There aren't any interior sway braces, nor are there any transverse struts in the upper lateral bracing.
No plaque remains at this particular location, but the others were both built by Lackawanna Bridge, and this one almost certainly was as well. Morse Bridge is now close to non-existent in the state.
It's amazing what you find trying to find stuff out about another bridge.
I added links to a couple of articles on this unique and historic footbridge. Bridge was taken off of it's foundation to be rehabilitated for continued use as part of a trail system.
The construction video was on the Grant County website, hope there is some way to retreive it.
There was recently a construction video of the two bridges on the WA site but it is now gone. I would like to find it again.
A couple of buildings show on the recent topo and 1923 shows a different channel but no cemetery.
Who would want to be buried on Devils Island?
Obviously a mail-order sort of bridge, but a lot NICER looking (Images in the link in the sources section.).
This bridge finally found a home near Houston Texas. Including a pic of the bridge before being shipped to Texas. It is narrowed to a width of about 9' inside.
This bridge is on private property in Vigo county Indiana, north of Terre Haute.
that looks great. what a great use and nice design. more saves like this.
This bridge is now located in Indianapolis, just off of I-65 on 86th st. at a private residence.
I have included a picture of the bridge in it's new location.
It can be fixed, we repaired it enough that it could be picked up in one piece and set along the road, to be taken apart
re: pedestrian walkway
If there were still trains running over the top of the structure, there would be serious worries. But the bridge is massively over-built for the service it sees now.
glad you have an old bridge left, i have sent comments and
e-mails for over year trying to save old Marion Memorial
bridge at HALETOWN TN RTO NO AVAIL, THIS BRIDGE COULD BE AN ASSET TO AREA BUT TDOT OF TN WILL NOT EVEN GIVE ME A PEEK OF INFO, THINK THEY HAVE THE DYNOMITE ALREADY IN HARND THIS BRIDGE IS ABOUT READY TO HIT THE TENNESSEE RIVER STOP THE DESTRUCTION OF THIS HISTOTIC BRIDGE NOW, JUST HOPING SOMEONE WITH AUTHORITY SEE THIS IF YOU KNOW A WAY TO SAVE THIS BRIDGE PLEASE REPLY TO THIS E=MAIL PRONTO SOON.
Special announcement: The 5th annual Historic Bridge Conference is coming to Iowa this summer. It will take place August 9-11 and will feature presentations and entertainment as well as a tour of some of the finest bridges in the eastern half of the state and its state capital, Des Moines. More information on the event will be posted in the Bridgehunter's Chronicles and Bridgehunter.com in the coming weeks! Stay tuned!!
I'll be part of the Timber Framing / Bridgewrighting demo, and mean to fold into the Preble County tour -
Wondering who among the regulars here I might cross paths with?
Nathan, Mine Road bridge looks much better now. It is a pretty shade of dark green and looks like new.
I'll try to get some pictures in the next week or two.
Fascinating...They removed a leg of the bracing in each panel to allow for a pedestrian walkway to be installed. Never seen anything quite like this!
Was there ever a village on the island and if so, was there a cemetery?
Portals and portal bracing suggest ca.1900
Bridge has been removed and is being replaced. Old bridge will be taken to the Westport fairgrounds and used fot foot traffic.
Well, with lally columns and pin connections I seriously doubt this bridge was manufactured in 1945, or even installed here in 1945. I say much older, pre-1920.
Apparently the BH feature only recognizes IANR as the user, but, according to the IDOT railroad map, UP trackage ends and D&W trackage begins at Dewar, Iowa. The line ownership, according to BH, appears to be Iowa Northern's.
I'll put "IANR Drainage Ditch Bridge" as an alt name, just in case.
Does IANR own any of this line? I know they operate the D&W, which they don't own. Where does the line switch from UP/IANR to D&W?
This bridge has been heavily rebuilt in the recent past. The western abutment and pier are new concrete, and the stone eastern abutment has new concrete work on it. The wooden ties and beams are all very new.
I was in Benton County a while back and saw the original plans for the bridge. It was designed and built by the Missouri Valley Bridge & Iron Company, Leavenworth, KS in 1911. We will be marketing this bridge in the next month or two to the local towns, federal agencies and historic society. Keep a look out and let these people know if the locals want to keep it and maybe something could happen.
The pistols are not actual pistols. They're just pieces of iron shaped like pistols. I drive over this bridge twice a day on my way to work in Lafayette and on my way home to Sulphur. I have totaled a car on this bridge. An 18 wheeler tire came off and because the bridge is so narrow, I had no where to bail out. I had to eat it and it ripped the entire undercarriage of my car apart. I can assure you, this bridge is a deathtrap. It's also unstable, no matter what LA DOD says. They know that it is structurally unsound as well. What few people realize is that there is absolutely no way to build a new bridge on the present location. In fact, they can't even do much to improve the Westlake exit. Unbeknownst to most, including the people that live in this area, is that the boggy/marshy area to the northwest of the bridge contains a toxic stew of vinyl chloride and polychlorinated biphenyl and God knows what else. If they drive new bridge pilings into this area, they could release these nasty things into the groundwater. They can't build further north because SASOL if expanding their gas plant in that area. They can't build further south because Isle of Capri is there. Catch 22.
Nice find on that plaque, Mike. While you were out there, did you happen to get photos of any mill marks? My database is pretty low on later examples. Thanks.
Both Photographers & Pontists may be interested in this years ASCE Bridge Photography Contest
Although there are published reports suggesting that the Bear Creek Covered Bridge was built by James Key in 1859 - that appears to be incorrect (Hannibal Courier-Post 100th Anniversary Edition 1938, K Allen Ballard 2012 Images of America, Ralls County Missouri). The Hannibal and New London Plank Road and Bridge Co. published a condition report for their toll road in the July 14 (pg 2) and July 21 1855 (pg 3) editions of the Hannibal Tri-Weekly Messinger newspaper. That report lists the Bear Creek Bridge among the company assets- with a cost or value of $3,146.50. It appears from that published statement that the bridge existed in July of 1855.
I thought I had seen struts but alas only upper lateral bracing. Reminds me of some Morse Bridge Company spans.
As Matt says its one of the Erie Canals numerous surviving historic double-Warren thru trusses, used for many of the fixed crossings. They do omit sway bracing and struts between the top chords. This particular example is skewed, so it has a heavier portal bracing. I believe there are other examples on BridgeHunter, I also have several examples documented on HistoricBridges.org.
Here's the link to a recent phot of the bridge: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nakrnsm/8485830245/
It is unusual. I can't tell if it is a lattice.
The main truss web appears to me to be composed of X's with a strut and a tie. The struts are inclined with the top to the bridge center while the ties are opposite. The portal braces are lattice, with each diagonal crossing 3 opposing diagonals.
I don't see any sway braces other than the portal braces either. It does look like it the bridge is skewed. That will do weird things to the end panels.
The upper latteral system is composed of laced beams in a Warren pattern, so they will sometimes act as struts and sometimes as ties depending on the loading.
I'd sure like to get a closer look at this bridge!
This bridge has a street view, and it's easy to distinguish its double-intersection Warren configuration. Most of New York's Erie Canal crossings were of this type. A graceful structure indeed!
I am glad to see the discussion that this bridge has sparked. It is interesting to see all of the different opinions among us Bridgehunters.
Can we save every bridge over 50 years old? No, and I do not think we should try to. Replacing a 50 year old UCEB with a new UCEB is fine by me.
In recent years, we have seen a large number of UCEBS with nice features. Ie, decorative railings, fake stone plyons, statues, bas-reliefs, decorative lamp posts, light shows, etc. I don't mind UCEBs with "UCEB makeup". They really do not bother me. In fact, such UCEB makeup can add a little interest to an otherwise mundane structure. The nice railings on the new bridge in this instance serve such a purpose. I just don't think that UCEB makeup should be portrayed as an in-kind replacement.
This youtube video of the Brimstone Railroad has a shot of the old bridge and also the new one. Skip to around 3:12 or so. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEUH8CL5hMA
Very cool bridge! Tall trusses with massive portal bracing but yet NO sway bracing...only struts.
No for sure on the truss identification but it could be a Lattice.
I agree - it _is_ a fine website.
If you have pictures, or enjoy some aspect of documenting old bridges, sign up for an editor account and make the site better!
This was by far one of the coolest bridges in Greenville and it is a crying shame that it was torn down without any sort of effort to repair it first (like the Queen Street bridge)... I used to ride my bicycle over it nearly everyday or come here to eat and lunch and talk to other people crossing over. The city should at least build something new (and cool) to replace it and reconnect this part of the west side of Greenville to the Hampton-Pinckney area.
I visited here yesterday, it hasn't changed much in 4 years. I captured some more photos of the tunnel. Still looks to be in decent shape though perhaps the creek running threw the tunnel has gotten worse. There is also a hugh sign of a lot of visitors visiting the tunnel which is good in ways, but I worry about the tunnel being ruined or damaged by them. A lot of four wheelers seam to use it to get from one side of the mountain to the other. I think it would be great if the silver comet trail had a extension that took you up to the tunnel, threw it, and then back down to the trail on the other side. Would make for a more scenery and fun ride threw the paulding wildlife management area and would help to preserve the tunnel. If anyone is interested in photos I have about 20+ just contact me.
Thanks to these pictures I was able to win an argument with my husband about the old JB bridge ever being a toll bridge.I Have very strong memories about stopping at that toll booth. As to the comment about why anyone would have a site about bridges....I am 68 years old and my memories about traveling across that bridge as a little girl are as vivid as ever, and seeing the bridge again just brought back all the wonderful memories of visits to reletives in Illinois. I would say that is an excellent reason for having a site like this. Thanks for the memories.
On the same line as the historic truss bridge in Wayzata.
This is a narrow bridge which snowmobiles will go over at about 45 MPH, and it is slippery. C&NW must have had some value in the old trestle when they took it out
Trail almost open, permanent handrails to be added next spring, expected to formally open April 2013
Agreed. This contraption (adding MOB trusses on each end) not only compromises the historical integrity of the bridge itself, but it does provide a safety hazard. Consider this bridge one of the candidates of the worst example of preserving a HB.
I wonder why MOST of the wood trestles on the Luce Line were removed, but not a few. And why would they waste their time trying to take out some timber here, instead of just leaving it in or removing the whole thing?
At least the bridge still exists, even if someone that may never use it has it at the moment...there is a chance he may do something with it...if he hadn't "conned" the old bridge out of the county, they would have just sentenced it straight to the dumpster.
Throughout the years living in Texas, ive explored COUNTLESS rual county roads on my spare in and around a 100 mile radius from Houston. I have a giant archive of various bridges ive ran into. I also love the history of the roads they come from as well. I now live here in Thibodaux, La. to start a new life and it also has a GOLD-MINE of historical bridges ive ran into here as well as myself! Never knew the ages of them until now! WOW! Thanks! :-)
This bridge should still be there. This railroad was decommissioned a long time ago.
The tracks as far as at least Lebanon were still used in the mid-80's. I remember a train ride from Boston to Lebanon for Ham Days or something when I was little.
Now the tracks are used from Lebanon Junction (where it hits the main L&N line) to New Haven. There's still an old bridge over a tributary of Pottinger Creek, but they're pulled up beyond that.
This bridge would be on the line that currently goes from New Haven on to the main line. There's a Kentucky Railway Museum in New Haven and they have train rides to LJ, sometimes having a "Thomas the Tank Engine" engine.
WOW!, I certainly would have never guessed that the ruins of this little span I decided to add to BH would create such a maelstrom!
The bottom line here is that we can debate the issue til the cows come home...and it will still come down to a matter of opinion. The vast majority of visitors to this park would never understand what we are disagreeing about...nor probably would they care. They would simply see an old footbridge that was removed for whatever reason, only to later be replaced with a new one. They likely wouldn't understand the historic significance of the original structure, or why some of us think it should have been replaced with a more authentic looking replica. Indeed, some of us bridge enthusiasts are a passionate bunch that think NO historic spans should ever be replaced. However, we have to be realistic about it and understand that bridges will be lost. So when a situation like this occurs where an attempt is made to replace with a "aesthetic likeness", we expect nothing less than a near carbon copy.
So is a vastly different looking replacement span a demon seed? Although I would personally like to see more effort taken to replicate "in-kind", I pull up short of saying the new bridge is totally bad. The historic bridge is gone, and not even an exact replica can change that fact.
It's that fact which makes me want to focus more energy on trying to keep the historic bridges standing...and less on what they are replaced with.
Lindsay, nice reflection shot, thanks for sharing!
I agree with Roberts comments. And regarding cost if they were short of money they should have went with a more simple railing. In my view the railings they used almost insult the historic bridge, the way they sort of look like the old ones yet are so different and simple. My view is that an exact or at least very close replica is ok if preservation its not possible. But if that is not possible please do not insult the craftsmanship of those who built the historic bridge with a cheap knock off and create a false sense of history.
Guess that is where a subset happens, the pictures of the What Happened? But not as the main picture of a new bridge where the original doesn't exist anymore. Same applies to all of these.
Its a design issue James.
Parks Rec notwithstanding, they could have done some research and asked some questions,...
I wouldn't classify it as architecturally significant, but I also wouldn't classify it as "the most fugly bridge on the planet" either.
I'm willingly to make the conjecture that this was the best that they could do under their circumstances.
Parks and Rec departments typically get the short end of the budgetary stick, so the replica was likely the BEST that they could do.
(Who knows, maybe the original parts are locked in a shed somewhere until they have the funds to get a legit replica made.)
Is the replica an architectural novel? Hardly? Is it historic? No, it's new. Is it /REALLY/ as bad as it seems some of you are making it out to be? Not at all.
(also: Sorry anon that complained about these sort of things happening.)
I never claimed that you called the bridge historic. If we consider the replacement to be architecturally significant, then the next logical step is to consider a MOB to be an appropriate replacement for a pin-connected truss.
I actually have no problem with new bridges. They are necessary and functional. I just cringe when I see one that is built under the guise of being a form of mitigation for the destruction of a significant bridge. This includes bridges with fake stone pylons, etc.
Just my $0.02. Peace.
So I have the book written by cooper and my amazing girlfriend got me Bridges by Richard L Cleary. Any other good bridge books I should be on the look out for?
So what quite a few of you are saying is essentially you saying is along the lines of "UGH THEY DIDN'T DO 100000% WHY DID THEY EVEN BOTHER?"
That is /not/ a healthy nor a logical reaction to be having.
Also, in case you've misread it, I did not call the new bridge historic.
If they had to demolish the old bridge, I would just as soon see a UCEB with New Jersey barriers, than the current structure.
This replacement is not historic, and in my opinion should not be portrayed as such.
After Soldier Field in Chicago was redone, I fully supported its removal from the NRHP (sorry Bears fans). The new Soldier Field has been redone so heavily, that it bears little resemblance to the old structure. It is no longer historically significant, save for being a war memorial.
I feel the same way about this bridge. The substructure was the most structurally significant part of the old bridge, and it is gone now. The replacement is just a plain stringer with a couple layers of makeup.
Can not be called Cast Iron anymore....How about Glen Miller Park Modern Footbridge.
I don't agree that trying is enough. Not anymore.
Rather like Sutliff only it cost way less to us taxpayers.
According to wikipedia, the Louisville and Jeffersonville Bridge Co was formed in 1887 to build the bridge. Due to accidents in construction, they went bankrupt and sold it to the Big Four.
So, apparently, they were a consortium of local interests that wanted to construct and own a bridge. This is the only bridge they were associated with.
The fact that they at least made SOME effort to replicate the bridge AT ALL is good, in my opinion, because I'd rather have had them build an "At least they TRIED" "replica" span than just built a 2X4 bridge, or even worse, just left the space bare.
It's not exactly a win, but it's not exactly a loss either.
I had seen this little bridge many times and had crossed it as well. I'm not sure what was behind it's demise but it was definitely unfortunate.
The replacement is a mixed bag. It's obvious that no effort was made to replicate the original structure, and the railings look like something that could be ordered out of a catalog.
Yes, they could have simply left a gaping hole there and perhaps they were working on a limited budget... But I have seen way too many good replications to be completely satisfied here.
I drive a cement truck for Spurlino Materials (the company supplying all the concrete for the construction project) Trust me, these bridges are in desperate need of replacing. The look of the new ones aren't very visable right now as it sits directly between the old ones, but after the old northbound bridge is demolished, I think you may have another opinion. Enjoy the looks of the old steel trusses while you still can they will be coming down if I'm not mistaken through the fall of 2013. Then you'll see the beauty of concrete.
Like I said, a replica span (even though it's not a "100000%" true to original replica) is still ∞ better than no bridge at all, considering they very well could have just taken out what was left and scrapped it and not built anything in its place at all.
You have to be very careful when assessing old bridges. When they say that "Louisville and Jeffersonville Bridge Company" built the bridge they are not referring to a company that fabricates or constructs bridges. They are referring to a private company that was formed to finance, own, and operate the bridge. For clarity, these entities should be referred to as owners, not builders.
Take a real close look at the new bridge. I would hardly call this a replica and its certainly not historic, and I am not impressed in the least bit. They failed to properly copy the railing design, and the decorative arch is omitted. Its just a steel stringer on old abutments with modern railing vaguely looking like the historic bridge. Worse, they destroyed the couple beautiful cast iron railing posts that remained and replaced them with modern posts that are much more plain looking.
Replicating cast iron elements and ornate railing panels is all too easy. Indiana has many replicated truss bridge plaques. Chicago has replicated ornate railing panels.
that is a lot to see from those photos with all those branches. I got is close as I could and have a couple of other photos but nothing really good. definitely a little different.
thanks for taking the time to look.
I wouldn't say it's historic, considering it's new/a replica, but still neat.
Frow what I see it's a 5 panel Pratt. The diagonals in panels 2 and 4 are eyebar. The center panel has counter ties.
From the light and shadows, the entire top chord is like the batter braces and is open laced top and bottom with channel sides.
I think I can see upper lateral ties, but there are a lot of tree branches in those photo!
The vertical struts are clearly V-laced. I'm not certain whether the top chord and end posts are V-laced or lattice.
The portal brace appears to be four panels with "X" diagonals - like this |X|X|X|X|
The lower chord eye bars are quite light weight.
It also looks to me like the stringers are/were timber.
That builder built the original bridge in 1893.
Is that replica then historic?
A pretty replica span is at least better than no bridge at all.
I really like the decorative railings.
This bridge has been replaced (February 2013) with a replica. View a photo here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/waynet/8468340515/in/pool-wayne...
According to this link, http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=24916.0, the builder of the bridge is the Louisville and Jeffersonville Bridge Company. If this info is correct and maybe someone would like to confirm this, then the L@J Bridge Co. would seem to be a local firm. This begs the question, what other bridges did they build and what happened to them?
A Pegram truss is a rare find.
Portal picture on my camera didn't load last night. Obscured anyway. 5 panels...try to get images from the other direction.
Portal picture on my camera didn't load last night. Obscured anyway. 5 panels...try to get images from the other direction.
If my eyes aren't deceiving me here Jules...I see 5 panels. A very unique little span it would seem. Yes the latticed endposts are rather uncommon, and it also has "sideways" verticals (lacing faces out from the sides) which is also uncommon. I would like to see the portals a little better to help with possible identification, and from what I have seen this span could possibly date into the 1880's.
Hopefully with this little bridge being in Texas, it will find a new life in the near future!
Thanks Robert. My helper picked up the mail as well, thank you again.
Help me classify this bridge. 4-panel pin connected pratt. I think it was connected to Port Sullivan in the history of Roberston Couty. Gotta be old, the way the sway bracing is tied to the top chord and the lattice everywhere.
I have the name of the property owner to call about access down the old road bed on the other side.
Sure enough, those spans are still there in the mud. A bit mangled, but still evident after more than 60 years.
They are a rare find. I have come across a couple examples in my bridgehunting expeditions:
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