With the American Bridge Company being such a big builder in the Louisville area, building the K&I bridge and the 2nd street bridge. Is it plausible that this bridge is most likely the work of that firm?
I'm always scouting the web for other pictures of this structure. Bridge and rail fans in the Columbia, SC area love this bridge and in the grane scheme fo things, it hasn't been gone that long. (1991 or 1992) Google Earth imagery only goes back to 1994 in this area, so that's a no go.
Any ideas on other places to look beside searching Google for "Lincoln Street Viaduct" or some variation?
The bridge is straight, the road approaches from an angle. The triangle is a space beneath the road where the bridge continues straight.
The have held two dedications for this bridge, an informal one two weeks ago when opened for traffic, and a formal one this past Friday. Work was still going on when I visited last week. One lane of traffic alternating. An elevator was being constructed alongside as well.
The local newspaper has done a few stories about this. They have a limited free story then paywall system.
Here is a link to one such article:
One image in their archive is listed by mistake ... can you spot it Bridgehunters?
I am surprised the Gilmore Bridge is not on here,It was torn out in 2010,there is a youtube video on it.I have some photos of the bridge I took during a canoe trip in 1999 I will post the bridge here soon.
I, for one, am glad that James is going to allow anonymous posting to continue. It allows those of us from the heaven.com domain to add our witty and informative repartee to the discussion.
Sadly, it has proven notoriously difficult to register online with the heaven.com domain.
I also rather enjoy Anonymous the Athenian's poetry. It rhymes.
Calling my bridge design a double intersection Pratt still vexes me a little, appropriate though it may be. At least I still have my Whipple Bowstring.
Needless to say... If it wasn't for being located in a park that railing would be long gone!
what can we do to save this historic structure.....Help us save our bridge
What is the triangular hollow in the side of the bridge?
What do you call the brick-air-brick work on the railings? I love it! Would it detract from bridge's stability? Would it allow the bridge to withstand an earthquake or flood better than a solid stone bridge?
I really like that north railing. It has such a DIY look.
As expected, James has used our input to make wise decisions on the functionality of his site.
My thought about downvoting uninteresting bridges is that the star rating system would work correctly if everyone would take time to vote when visiting a page. Currently those with strong negative feelings can skew a rating because the more moderate among us do not add our voices to drown theirs our.
Resolve to vote honestly for every bridge you visit and a valid, more useful community opinion will result.
Many thanks to James for his work maintaining this site. It's an pleasant gathering place for those of us who enjoy these structures. In addition, it is a way to attract people who search for a particular bridge from their past and who can share their memories, and perhaps even become involved in the preservation of some of these landmarks.
The view to the right from the Blatnik Bridge is of Superior Bay.
I remember this bridge very well, and I certainly do not miss it. It was so narrow that everytime you met a tractor-trailer rig on it you had to wonder that you didn't scrape the truck's side or the bridge's side, lol
Thanks to everybody who submitted ideas. Here are my responses:
ANONYMOUS COMMENTS: I'm reluctant to disallow anonymous posts, since we do get a lot of useful tips from people who happen to drop by, but aren't likely to register just to make a single comment. You all might think the forum comments here are rough, but this website is really quite tranquil compared to the sites I oversee at my day job.
ABILITY TO EDIT OWN POSTS: I'll add this to the to-do list, but this will likely only be available for people with editor's accounts, since there's simply too much chance for spammers to abuse this: for example, they could post a seemingly innocuous comment, but then change it later (when it's dropped off the opening forum page and we're not paying close attention) to include a bunch of spammy links.
ADD MAPS SHOWING THE LOCATION OF EACH COUNTY: Will add that to the to-do list.
EMAIL ADDRESSES HIDDEN FROM ALL BUT SITE ADMIN: This is already available to editors -- just uncheck the "Show my email address" box on your Settings page. For everybody else, when posting comments, the email address box is optional.
HIDING MODERN BRIDGES: While this is available to editors, I'd like to make this available to everybody without requiring registration, probably using a cookie-based preference. This is on the to-do list.
The next challenge is deciding on the criteria for "modern." The big problem comes from bridges that don't have construction dates, especially footbridges. I'm thinking of adding new design categories specifically for pre-fabricated, welded truss pedestrian bridges. These bridges would be classified as modern regardless of the date built, which would help take care of most of the problem. For everything else, I think 1970 is still a good cutoff.
PREVENTING EDITORS FROM ADDING BRIDGES BUILT AFTER A CERTAIN YEAR: If somebody is willing to take the time to photograph and document a bridge, I'd rather not block that work, even if they've found something that most of us would consider boring or insignificant. There have been exceptions: some bridges are simply too hideous to allow posting here (and that's why I created uglybridges.com as a home for all bridges on the NBI).
I would never automatically forbid certain bridges, although I might consider showing a warning when adding UCEB-ish structures. The message might say, "Are you sure you want to add this bridge? This action is likely to cause the forum commenters to try beating you over the head with a clue stick."
PRESERVING STREET VIEW IMAGERY THAT MIGHT BE LOST IN THE FUTURE: I originally didn't think this was a problem. I had done a test with a particular bridge (in Alaska) that had been replaced. The latest Street View pass showed the ugly replacement bridge, but our Street View widget continued to show the old scene from a few years before. But when I last checked, the old scene had suddenly been removed and I was stuck gazing at a 360 degree panorama of a UCEB. Shudder. So I guess this is a problem, but I'm not sure how to solve it without running afoul of Google's arcane terms of service.
HIGHLIGHT ADJOINING COUNTIES WHEN USING THE "WHAT'S HERE" BUTTON: This is on the to-do list. I have quite a few improvements planned for the What's Here? tool... eventually.
REDUCE VOLUME OF UPDATES ON FRONT PAGE: Done.
ALLOW SORTING PHOTOS BY CATEGORY: This is something I've wanted to do for awhile, but I haven't quite figured out a good system that isn't too complicated or time-consuming for everybody to manage. I'd like to be able to tag individual photos with multiple categories (just like the tagging system for bridges), but it would be a lot of work to do that.
VOTE UNWORTHY BRIDGES OFF THE SITE: This was actually the main reason I added the 5-star ratings for each bridge. I was hoping that I would be able to quickly generate a list of 0 or 1 star bridges, and then easily decide which ones to delete. Unfortunately, the Half-Star Bandit -- or Bandits, as there appear to be several -- ruined this idea by downvoting perfectly good bridges.
LOAD ENLARGED PHOTOS IN A NEW BROWSER WINDOW: I added this today, although I'd like to find a better solution where the browser can remember your place in the photo gallery when using the back button.
DON'T STRIP METADATA FROM PHOTOS: This is a good idea, but I've found that the metadata (especially color profiles embedded by certain programs) can really bloat the size of JPEG images. There's also potential privacy concerns, but I can add a user preference to decide whether to strip the metadata or not.
INTRODUCTION FOR NEW VISITORS: Another good idea. I might build this as a Wiki-type setup, where editors can add informational pages as needed with links between them.
SLOTS FOR YEAR REHABILITATED: I don't really want to make the bridge editing form even more complicated than it already is, but I can add a series of categories for Year Rehabilitated to go along with Year Built. These would have to be manually assigned, but I can pre-populate them to a certain extent.
My earlier messsage was incorrect. We looked again, and found it today!!
The 30 day removal requirement is patently absurd for a bridge of this size. I seriously doubt IDOT could find a contractor to completely remove a Mississippi River bridge in less than 30 days, even if price were no object, so what hope does anybody else have?
What a load of crap, maintain forever. I actually think it is five years, and then they make up new rules about inspections and maintenance costing a fortune.
check out www.save briarwood.com
Too bad IDOT (or IDiOT as Kim calls them) doesn't take this "maintain forever" stance on their historic bridges! Pretty stinking hilarious that they want someone else to!
Practice what you preach guys!!!
There was a rail between Rockport and Newburgh at one time, you can still see the old rail bed in places.
I was told there are another set of abutments to the north if you boat up the creek.
This bridge is up for the taking by IDOT, for FREE! BUT, there is one catch- see article below:
Any takers for the bridge?
Does anyone know anything about the bridge that was just to the south of this bridge? I was told it was a trolley bridge?
they cleared the power lines right next to it. The bridge is now kind of visible from the road.
Nathan, Sorry I did not have time to caption the photos yesterday, but that is the incomplete ramp on the Indiana side of the bridge. Currently you can walk to the edge of the bridge were there is a fence that keeps you from going any further.
Good to hear Robert...As I was really surprised the bridge has survived if the water had actually gotten that high!
I'm happy to hear that they are not going to chop the width on the other bridge like they did on this one...leave them at their original size and that will not only allow for passing room for opposing pedestrian traffic, but also let folks stand at the trusses and enjoy the view!
Just heard from Mr. Lytton. Apparently the limbs on top of the truss came from a falling tree, not from floodwater. This river still floods a lot, however. I just has not gotten over the truss.
Trees are also a hazard to trusses.
Sounds like that bridge is going up quickly. When I crossed this bridge in late 2011, no work had been done at all - except perhaps for some surveying.
If anybody wants to visit this bridge, do it now. Soon, there will only be two of them left. Only the Nebraska one is recognized as historic.
There once were several in Kansas, so perhaps they were just considered common technology.
Thanks for sorting this all out!
The railings on the top chord mentioned below show up in 1975 HAER documentation, so they are not new or part of this current conversion for pedestrian use. They very likely are just railings for bridge inspections. Large bridges like this often have handrails on the top of the top chord so bridge inspectors can safely navigate the structure. As an interesting example elsewhere, the Quebec Bridge actually has an entire truss system framed around the top chord eyebars that provides a walkway for inspectors.
The replacement bridge is nearly complete,it appeared they had finished the deck and are now working on the approach when I took that pic last week.
This is the one that was moved here in 2010 Don:
Not sure what happened to the Firesteel Ck Bridge but it is definitely missing.
Pics of the bridge bring back memories.Me and my siblings and cousins grew up playing in the river under this bridge.My uncle Weldon Gideon would take us and we spent hours there , summer after summer. Thanks for the pics. Sherrie
Could be that they're going to offer the same climbing trips that they offered on the Purple People/L & N Bridge between Newport and Cincinnati. I think they discontinued the trips, but they were big news for a brief time.
Are the handrails at the top of the truss for the "extreme" pedestrian? The guy that wants a better view and a little more challenge to his hike across the river?
OK, so Nathan had already covered the Pease Creek Bridge being the one that will move.
I wish I could edit my own post to remove the redundant information.
Maybe we'll have that feature in the near future. Oh, well.
Bing Bird's Eye imagery suggests that this might actually be better described as being on Hardin Mill Road. Hydro Drive may have been created after the bridge closing to reach the hydro plant. Just a thought.
The bridge at 43°46'32.37"N 98°18'21.99"W, which fits the position coordinates of Firesteel Creek bridge on 249th street in Davison County and was present in 2007, but missing on 30 December 2010, is a likely candidate for being the one that exists now as The Island Development bridge.
Satellite imagery isn't great for South Dakota.
Just a guess, but Pease Creek bridge
Is probably the bridge being moved this summer 2013.
That's my $0.02
I would be curious to see some description/explanation for photo 91 of 117. Is this an additional, incomplete approach for the bridge? Or can you not walk all the way across yet? I assume its closed because it does not have real railings. And is that a glass deck?
Looks great JP!
Will look forward to seeing more pics!!
Norfolk Southern Railroad not CSX
I finally had to trespass to get a side view of the bridge. The fellow who patiently noticed my trespassing has been in the area for thirty years and remembers the bridge only as being fixed, so the rebuild took place before that. The Coast Guard had clearly noted the bridge as movable.
Though the street and satellite views and actually driving over the bridge give the impression of a very short swing span, that middle span is a fixed steel girder span.
The actual spelling of the bayou is Hillebrandt.
hope you were not calling marion memorial bridge in haletown tn ugly. it is very unique on national registry , if you are talking ugly i'll agree 100% bbut this bridge is dedicated to vets and it is in terrible shape because tdot of tn has nearly destroyed a landmark dedicated to VETS.
Who is the architect of Blackwater Creek Bridge, and is its' existence a result of New Deal projects. Was this bridge constructed with the help of CCC or WPA labor?
Essentially just looks like a massive caisson/lolly column if you ask me.
I would love to see this bridge restored but It will have to be a pipe dream.I am afraid it will be torn out someday.
Found this shot of the plaque on Flickr:
This bridge is to be moved and preserved:
The article mentions that this tiny little bridge must be designed to handle 400 people on its deck at one time. This undoubtedly refers to the ridiculous AASHTO guidelines for pedestrian bridges. If this bridge was moved to Times Square in New York City you wouldn't see 400 people on its deck.
Here is where the bridge is going according to the article:
The path parallels railroad tracks that stretch from 23rd Avenue (Cemetery Road) through an undeveloped area to the west end of Lake Mitchell, where it connects with a paved path and the bridge will be installed by late summer and will span an unnamed creek that drains into Lake Mitchell.
I discovered this bridge briefly mentioned here: http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/event/article/id/75843/group... and I am not sure exactly where it came from. This bridge is undoubtedly already listed on BridgeHunter, but I am not sure which one it is because I have no photos of either this bridge now, or the other bridges in this county. If someone figures out which bridge this is we can likely merge two pages. In the meantime, this page represents the current location for this bridge, visible as a pony truss in satellite imagery.
This bridge is scheduled for repair. I have heard some news about this, but now we have a detailed article.
Reading the comments from Mr. McMahon, from the county commission, it is clear that there is a strong commitment to HB preservation in this area.
H/T: Nathan Holth http://www.historicbridges.org/
I have to agree with Mr./Ms. Anonymous. I believe the center pier was cast in place just like the fixed span columns.
From what I've seen on this web site I think the central pier was always encased in steel.(iron ?) Anyway, beautiful bridge.
I plan to field visit this bridge to see for sure, but I think the unusual structures over the sidewalks are an unusual and creative way to provide outriggers on a pony truss, while not obstructing a cantilevered sidewalk.
Mixed bag here...
Even thought it is a shame that the structural integrity was lost, retaining the trusses was at least better than nothing.
As fascinating as the trusses are, I am more interested in the overhead supports for the walkways that feature some nicely decorated knee bracing. To me these would suggest a bridge that at least dates into the 1890's. Would love to see them up close.
Was the W.Powell Rd bridge further up the same truss as Wilson Bridge Rd?
This is now a lost bridge. The replacement span is open, the old bridge has been removed.
That is a great link. Colorado has an outstanding collection of historic bridges. That link shows a couple of great truss bridges in New Mexico as well.
A bit more on the "Upper" suspension bridge at English Center from HAER PA-461:
"Historic photographs of the English Center area reveal that the Upper Bridge was of the same type of construction as the Lower Bridge. The major distinction was that the Upper Bridge was larger: sixteen panels can be counted on the Upper Bridge versus the twelve panels on the Lower Bridge. A replacement for the Upper bridge was built in 1932. The Lower Bridge at English Center was placed on National Register in 1978."
Characterization of the English Center Bridge as "one of a kind" is misleading. Dean & Westbrook built two of these bridges in English Center in 1891. The surviving bridge was known as the "Lower" of the two. The "Upper" bridge, slightly larger, but of the same design, was demolished years ago.
From a railroad site, this may be useful to add to the database:
Ongoing investigations by Jack and myself and friends seem now to indicate the bridge was completely in what we now know as LeFlore county in Oklahoma, about 7 miles south of Fort Smith on the Texas road. We are still researching.
I just posted the Kings Hollow Tunnel on the Athens county page which is on the same abandoned CSX line to the east of the Moonville Tunnel.Seems odd the Moonville was built in 1857 and the Kings Hollow in 1855.
As of 2/5/13 at noon, this bridge has been closed with dim prospects of re-opening.
Also, location should be adjusted slightly:
I have driven across the 1957 bridge several times. It was nothing special - just a concrete slab without any decorative rails. I don't recall seeing any piers on the banks of the Wakarusa River.
Douglas County demolished its last known remaining vehicular truss bridge a couple years ago. It is now the first county in eastern Kansas without either a truss or a Marsh arch on the county highway system. A railroad bridge remains in use over the Wakarusa River east of Eudora.
The long awaited demo of this bridge is nearing. Here is a link to the local newspaper with a story about the impending removal. http://pharostribune.com/local/x503843094/Anoka-Bridge-is-fa...
One last thing to add is I agree about the liability issues as I have witnessed several kids from nearby mobile home community playing on this bridge as well as jumping on passing rail cars for a short joy ride.
Again, it is sad to see it go, but it's time has come and gone. Hopefully the road will one day be reinstalled either via an at grade crossing or another bridge, but I won't hold my breath. This area was once a major junction of the Pennsylvania Railroad and included a manned tower and interlocking thus the original need for this once proud bridge.
The railroad never did get back to me about the build date or the builder. Maybe they don't have the information, or maybe I'm just getting too annoying. :p
I think I may just drive down there again and look for a builder's placard or some other signature. It's a rather long hike from the road to the bridge unless I can get permission from the Boy Scout camp to drive along their path... which is a hit-or-miss thing, I've found. I doubt that my usual bribe of a case of beer would go over well with the Boy Scouts.
In the meantime, here's another picture from the last time I was there. It's a view from the span, from the New York side facing Pennsylvania.
The bridge currently under construction is this one:
Which is a replacement project for a 1957 concrete bridge (which I can't find on uglybridges.com unless the county engineer has the wrong build date).
I think it is a safe guess that the 1957 bridge replaced our truss in the postcard. I see no evidence of piers in Google maps but the tree coverage is pretty thick in that area.
North Skunk River Bridge
""It's getting to the point to where it needs to be replaced," Hentges said. "It's old and unreliable." The new 110 feet by 30 feet concrete slab bridge will replace the current 70 feet by 18 feet steel truss bridge."
"The McPherson County Commission agreed on Tuesday to allow public works to acquire the bids necessary to determine the cost of replacing the two bridges, which are on 16th Avenue between Chisholm and Cheyenne Road, and 21st Avenue between Quivera and Rainbow Road. "
"Public works hopes to replace the bridges with reinforced concrete boxes."
Gentlemen, get your barf bags ready.
According to the 1887 plat map at http://www.kansasmemory.org/item/217197/page/1
One Fred Deichmann, Lawrence, KS Butcher and Dealer in Stock, apparently owned land along the Wakarusa in Eudora township which was bordered on the east by a road that crossed the river. Interestingly, other crossings have "Iron Bridge" notations, but this one does not.
This road is now designated Co Rd 1057/E 1900 Rd.
Google imagery currently shows a bridge under construction at this location.
The gps coordinates of this bridge are 38.92765,-95.148811
That would be my best guess at a Deichmann's Crossing near lawrence Kansas.
Another one has it's fate set:
Here's another postcard from the Antique Mall in Lawrence: this is a scene of "Deichman's Crossing" near Lawrence, KS. The postcard is from November 22nd, 1912 and the bridge is long gone.
I have searched Google earth for the rocky outcropping but I can't find it. A large artificial lake was built in the 70's southwest of town by damming the Wakarusa River - this could have considerably altered the landscape of the river, or the bridge could have been in an area inundated by the lake.
There are currently about eight bridges over the Wakarusa near Lawrence but all are new-ish concrete slabs.
I doubt it is this bridge:
unless it had two names, in which case it lived only another month after the post card was mailed. If I have time in the near future I'll contact the Douglas County Historical Society and see if they have any information about this bridge or its location.
I was browsing the Antique Mall in downtown Lawrence Kansas when I saw a postcard of a bridge out of the corner of my eye. I was super excited when I saw what bridge it was a postcard of given the discussion here over the last couple months!
The postmark on the back is December 8th, 1908.
Here is a postcard of the metal truss which preceded this concrete arch. I found it in the Lawrence, KS antique mall. The date on the bottom "2-6-'08" is actually February 6th, 1908!
This bridge is a duplicate of:
I drove over this bridge a couple years ago. I am surprised to see it closed.
It is an antiquated bridge for sure, but it is the only bridge for several miles in either direction.
I just uploaded some new photographs from Mr. Lytton. There is driftwood on top of the truss.
The Whitewater River normally looks very placid, but it can become a raging torrent without warning. This river is notorious for flooding. Following a major rainfall, it becomes dangerous and unpredictable.
Well, actually it is predictable - it floods!
Was watching a documentary on flooding and video showed a bridge with dozens of what looked like concrete blocks suspended from bridge over waters surface. Purpose??? I'm guessing icebreaking, but looking to satisfy my curiosity. Possible location was Des Moine, IA, but that may be incorrect.
I think that Henderson Memorial Bridge project may be a repair project. I know it says "replace" on the title, but if you click the link to the Location Map, the map is labeled "Bridge Repair." Also, the project cost is listed as $3,250,000 in total. I don't think you can replace a high level bridge over 1500 feet long and four lanes wide for 3.2 Million. Maybe 32 Million.
I am reaching out currently to the Lorain County Historical Society about the threat to the Henderson Memorial Bridge and the fact it won a truss award. I will see what kind of feedback we can get. Lorain County seems to have a pretty well developed historical society and there is plenty of time to voice an objection to demolition.
We were happy to locate a pic of the barely seen old bridge. We now have a close view of it from your great picture!
Nancy & Matt
For me anonymous posting is a privacy issue. I don't have a Facebook account either. I don't want anyone to be able to look me up. If you want to know who I am, ask me. I'll email you.
I agree with Robert Elder. The "Anonymous Post" feature has been abused; if you lack the courage to stand by your statements, you shouldn't post them. And Sheldon has been treated poorly, especially by anonymous posters.
EPIC FAIL. A flat slab with Armco railings--could the replacement be any uglier??
What's next?... The Junction Road Bowstring??
Yup...that'd be the same place!
Right up there with Preble County, Ohio destroying an historic pony truss in Hueston Woods to build a non-historic (and unfortunately rather ugly) covered bridge...and then deciding to move another soon to be replaced pony to the park for reuse.
In all fairness, Bartholomew County has done a nice job of saving their metal trusses. The city of Columbus is solely responsible for the White Creek Bridge debacle. And I am happy to see the Newbern Bridge that was once on a replacement list being saved.
I just hope the city doesn't decide they want something else there in the future!
This steel stringer with 1875 cast and wrought iron trusses was replaced. See photos: http://www.prebeng.org/longman_road_bridge_project_2011.htm
Bridge opens on Thursday at 11am. I plan to be there, will be bringing back tons of photos!!!!
Just had a look at that link that Ruth posted. WOW, those are some incredible flood pictures. Seriously, check them out.
I have been asking for the elimination of anonymous postings as well. I have a few reservations however.
1. Many folks have great input, but might not take the time to register for an account. I would hate to lose out on good information.
2. Some of our anonymous posters have provided valuable information - this obviously ties in with part 1. above. Some of them have notified us of bridges that we did not know even existed. Even Mr/Miss/Mrs/Ms. MODERNE/NON-HISTORIQUE is correct about some bridges not belonging here. On the flip side, you have folks like the MODERN/NON-HISTORIC (ie Half Star Bandit)person who simply slams bridges based on who updated them (he/she has done this to pre-1900 bridges - especially those found by Sheldon or myself).
3. Chelsea could no longer post...
Overall, however, I would rather see anonymous posting eliminated. (Or perhaps anonymous/non member posts could be sent to the moderator for review).
That is a good idea. I know I sure don't have the counties in many eastern states memorized. Well, except Adams Co. Pennsylvania...but that has nothing to do with bridges.
It would be especially helpful for huge states like Texas that have a massive number of counties.
Interesting little bridge. Norton Co. Kansas had a couple of these bridges as well. I think one was moved to a golf course. The Canton Bridge Company apparently built lattice trusses with and without the diagonal ties.
Thanks for the photograph. I understand that the replacement bridge is under construction. These Kansas Cantilevers are becoming and endangered species.