Can any of the railfans tell me what this is? I spotted it on a line probably only coincidentally near a bridge. There appears to be a pair of sensors outside the rails in the foreground then a hydraulic motor raising some sort of scraper a few feet further down the line.
I got information from the landowner and confirmed it with Phelps County Road Department. The county has vacated the section of road from P Highway RoW to a point about 150 feet past the north end of the bridge. These limits are clearly blocked by red marker signs and rocks.
Grotto Road can be driven from old US 66 to past the railroad track but the bridge and paths leading to it are privately owned. The several owners, all children of the previous owner, are vigilant and will confront people walking the former public property. When asked, one of them was quite willing to talk about the area's history and gave permission to photograph the area including the old Iron Works.
There are two swing spans shown in Nashville. I'm guessing this is the abandoned one since I doubt they open for a barge tow.
Check from 0:30 on in this video and post the link (perhaps alternate name as well) on the one where it belongs.
Ship eye view at around 1:50
There is a bridge in this area already having a page.
Is this your bridge?
There appears to be another bridge about 2 miles farther up that is not listed.
If you have photos, please add them.
I am looking for someone who lives near me to document a small bridge I found. I have no clue how to provide you with all the information that usually accompanies a photograph of a bridge.
It is at Hargiss Cove Road right off of I-24 at exit 143.
Forgot to add that the Milwaukee Road and then Soo Line after acquiring the Milwaukee Road had trackage rights over this line after they abandoned their line between Faithorn IL and Terre Haute IN which runs just west of the Indiana and Illinois state line. This would last till the mid 80s as the track condition was no better than the former Milwaukee line to southern Indiana.
This is the former New York Central (NYC) line, also was called the Harbor Belt, between Cairo and Danville. The light was built around 1905 and was directly owned by the NYC between Danville and Hammond IN. It would be the northern connection for NYC subsidiary Cleavland, Cincinnati, Chicago, and St. Louis Railrady (Big Four or CCC&STL) to bring southern Illinois Coal from the Big Four's Cairo division to the steel mills of the Chicago area. It was pretty much freight only except one passenger train that ran between Harrisburg IL and Chicago. The line would become Penn Central then Conrail being abandoned in the late 80s by Conrail as I remember, having grown up in the neighborhood near by, the last train to traverse this route. At one time, as you can tell by the bridge and right of way, it was double track to I think Sloan IN. I walked this many times once the trains stopped running and there is a deck girder bridge further south over Stoney Creek along with one north near the old Elks. This line was never CSX as when Conrail was split between CSX and Norfolk Southern the right of way transferred to Norfolk Southern from Jackson st in Danville north. However segments are now run by KBS south of Handy tower and Norfolk Southern between Hammond and Schneider IN
Some railroad history:
I just wanted to let you know that this bridge of course isn't the original nor does it look anything like the original. This new bridge was constructed in 1997 using some of the timbers from the original bridge. This bridge is also longer and sits higher than the original bridge.
My bad; I didn't notice the bridge that Patrick was referring to; the two that I saw are not noteworthy; one of them is fairly new and the other is likely a culvert, which is simply a utilitarian crossing and was never meant to have any historic significance. The bridge that Patrick pointed out may be an historic slab or possibly a T-beam and therefore would likely have some historic value--no wonder PENNDOT wants to demolish it! I should have known...
Matt and Patrick,
Thank you for your help.
I do not completely agree with you. It would be good to know the what's and why's about this bridge. There are lots of claims that this type of bridge has a very long life as partial justification of incurring the cost of replacing a historic bridge. Compiling data that demonstrates something very different may prove valuable in preserving historic bridges.
Detailed page showing the bridge washing away and being restored:
I looked on Google Earth at the segment described in the article, and there are only two bridges on that segment. Neither one appears to be historic or significant. One appears to be a concrete culvert with Armco railings, and the other appears to be a prestressed stringer with Jersey barrier railings with pipe railings on top of them. As far as I'm concerned, PENNDOT can do what they want with either one.
Found a picture of a piece of the bridge in 06 in this blog:
What a shame it was removed.
A nice write-up on this bridge and Morse:
Here is a nice write-up on the bridge:
PENNDOT is proposing a bridge replacement but I'm having trouble figuring out which bridge base on the description. Any ideas?
Luke, I shall go here too, on my field checking tomorrow. Do the Orange Avenue and south. My question is, who do we think the builder is?
We have a road trip planned to the courthouse next week to seek documents and maps regarding historic roads and bridges.
I plan to field check tonight. I know the one closest to Bunker Mill Bridge is now a railroad cwr crossing and that is the end of Camp Creek which flows into the English River right here.
I left it blank for details and not a draft so you experts in these details can have at it.
Julie, the original link I'd replied with was an add from the NBI with the incorrect GPS (As is the norm with the earlier NBI entries.) The correct GPS from a more current NBI puts the stringer I've added on Orange Avenue, just east of this bridge.
So when you do your field check, you could check out both and discern which one best fits with the picture, if you wish to do so.
This bridge is on a section of the pre-four lane National Road before 1940. It was preserved as "Historic U.S. 40" as at least one sign on modern U.S. 40 indicates. The bridge deck is concrete with bad cracks which allow water to leak which collects between the arches and which is draining through the mid-stream pier. This is destroying the pier which will be the end of the bridge.
Luke from the description it must be here...south rather than north of Richmond. I shall go that way soon to verify. Found during research for Bunker Mill and the Preserving Historic Roads conference
Looking at the pictures with the article, it looks like he's pointing to the the hip verticals hanging from the pin.
My assumption from the text is that they mean to remove the pins and install (weld or bolt)washer shaped steel parts to the web of the beams that make up the sides of the upper chord because the holes in the upper chord for the pins are cracked. They will then reinstall the pins and verticals.
Of course, I could be wrong.
One of Eddie's photos shows the upper chord connection.
I hope their engineer expert is familiar with historic wrought iron structures. Maybe someone on the forum should contact them.
Hmmm... any experts reading?
Bridge collapse by overweight truck
A very nice picture, though.
Julie, this entry is for a pony truss, and that is a steel stringer.
I believe I found the bridge pictured in the NBI: http://bridgehunter.com/ia/washington/bh61752/
Yeah, we have all misplaced a few bridges.
Well, the Texasescapes postcard (Or one similar to it) was probably the reason for Douglas thinking a bridge existed here at all.
An easy enough mistake to make.
Nonetheless, I've sent in a deletion request.
Anonymous, commenting on this listing when it was first created and still called the "Lake Buffalo Bridge", Douglas Butler himself said "I don't know if this bridge exist before it was removed but I viewed a picture postcard of this type of bridge years ago".
I drove over it yesterday. The new span has some concrete on the deck on the north approach span. Tho south approach spans (short steel beams) have their steel up, and the first section of the tall, main span beams are up. They are still building some of the center piers. It looks like most of the excavating for the new road alignment is done.
I'm still dreaming the 1935 span will not be demolished... but it's MO DOT so I don't really expect it will ever be more than a dream.
This location is on the Panhandle Plains (High Plains) of Texas. It has a Dry Steppe climate and an elevation of roughly 3500 feet.
There are several small natural lakes on the Panhandle Plains, but due to the scant precipitation and hot summers, none of them are terribly big. It would be very easy for a railroad to bypass them. Therefore, I doubt that a bridge of this size would be needed here - and certainly not a swing span.
The bridge never existed, Anonymous. The postcard is for the Wisconsin bridge and there is absolutely no other evidence for this swing bridge, in the Texas Panhandle, between Canyon and Hereford.
This bridge did exist before it was removed on the dried up Buffalo Lake in Texas and Luke had it right! the Texasescapes postcard. It was a swing bridge in Wisconsin, however another Buffalo Lake bridge was also in Texas so you are wrong Feller.
I see TDOT had a daft response when the county asked why the bridge was closed when TDOT said "Its Old." What a dumb and unprofessional answer. The newspaper's description of the bridge and proposed repairs is also the most poorly worded description of a truss bridge I have ever read. I specialize in study of historic trusses and I can't figure out what they are talking about. Eight vertical support beams, four at each end? Do they mean the hip verticals? I think the bolts they talk about must be the pins, so perhaps they are saying the bridge will have some pin replacements?
Available for adaptive reuse in a new location...
REGARDING BRIDGE AVAILABLE FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE The
REGARDING BRIDGE AVAILABLE FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE The Sarah Mildred Long Bridge on U.S. Route 1 Bypass and Railroad over the Piscataqua River in Kittery, York County, Maine and Portsmouth, Rockingham County, New Hampshire is available for adaptive reuse at a new location. Prior to dismantling, Federal law requires MaineDOT, New Hampshire DOT, and the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) to first offer the bridge to any group that could legally take possession of the bridge and maintain it, provided the group assumes all future legal and financial liability (see 23 USC 144 (5 and 6)). Costs to induce acceptance of the offer of donation may not exceed the cost to dismantle the bridge. FHWA, MaineDOT and New Hampshire DOT will work jointly to determine the most appropriate use of the existing bridge from any proposals received. The National Register-eligible 1940 Sarah Mildred Long Bridge designed by Harrington and Cortelyou is a 27 span, 2804 foot long bridge consisting of a 243 foot long vertical lift span flanked at each end by two 227 foot long warren with vertical deck truss spans. There are seven north approach spans ranging from 70 feet to 90 feet long and riveted Parker thru truss main span and a 96 foot long riveted camelback pony truss approach span. The south approach spans consist of 15 deck girder spans. If the bridge is transferred to another party, the transfer deed may include preservation covenants that require the new owner to preserve and maintain the bridge in accordance with established standards for historic bridges. Interested parties may contact David Gardner at the following address by September 1, 2014: Maine Department of Transportation, Environmental Office 16 State House Station Augusta, ME 04333PUBLIC Notice PUBLIC Notice PUBLIC Notice5103218
Appeared in: Portland Press Herald/Maine Sunday Telegram on Thursday, 07/17/2014
Closed, hopefully proposed repairs will not be too offensive:
I grew up(in 50's and 60's) just "down the road a piece" from this bridge and have fond memories of crossing it and of getting fresh ground corn meal from Webb's Mill. The road that used to cross it was Hwy. 64, which went to Raleigh from Eastern part of state thru Rocky Mount. We called that "Old 64"! Then "New 64" was built and later "The Bypass".
I am fascinated by abandoned buildings, amusement parks, and other structures. Thanks for sharing your photos!
Penny B. Frazier
Another fantasy bridge in a fanciful location.
I'm not sure how the postcard wound up on Texasescapes, a respected website, but the bridge, and the lake on the card are in Wisconsin:
Plans should be finished and the bid letting commence on this bridge in early 2015 from my talks with the city engineer who has had this project on his desk for over 2o years. The span provides a missing link to the extensive trail system and will be a welcome addition when it is back in service. Kudos to Bloomington, State of Minnesota and the legislature for figuring out how to finance this restoration.
As you point out, most of the deterioration is at the deck level of this bridge or below. However, because it is a through truss, most of the historically significant and load-bearing superstructure is above the deck. Yes, substantial repairs to the flooring system and bottom chord will indeed be needed. However the majority of the trusses above the deck remain in good condition.
Uh, I'm stumped at how this bridge can be rehab'd without essentially rebuilding it from the ground up. Most of the deck and lower framwork are rusted so badly you can see daylight through a lot of the beams and the expansion feet are pressed back to the point they're cracking the concrete abutments. It's like the bridge is on the verge of collapsing under its own weight.
For reasons that elude me, the SHPO agreed that the work done on this bridge in 1998 was a "rehabilitation" although I would disagree. The entire superstructure was demolished and replaced (and note the UGLY modern railings that replaced the originals), and the approach spans were reconfigured. They did maintain the operational design of the bridge meaning it still operates to a Strauss design meaning you have a second trunnion for the counterweight... which is interesting since it was a style that hadn't been built for 60 years... so as a replica of a mechanical design its interesting, but I have trouble calling it rehabiliation... or even replication given that things like railings, rivets, etc, would not be found on the bridge today.
I don't know if this bridge exist before it was removed but I viewed a picture postcard of this type of bridge years ago
No mention has been made on this website of the additional unique feature of the bridge. Not just that its a telescoping design... but that each hanger extending from the truss panel points that supports the lower deck is actually individually connected to its own independent counterweight. Very unusual!
The demolition of the top deck of this bridge should NEVER have been allowed. The bridge has national significance and the top deck should either have been abandoned and left in place, or even better converted into a linear park for pedestrians.
This bridge once contained a steel drawbridge grate at the top of the bridge. There were no gates and no control control room. I never actually saw the bridge operate. I am kind of curious about that part of the history and why such a tall bridge was created with a grate. Also, if they were going to use it, how would they control it? It was removed in the early 90's if memory serves me right.
Pennsyvania is working hard to find solutions for bridges in their inventory and Workin' Bridges is working along with them to establish real costs and find customers for some of these treasures. PennDot is now proactive but it takes a customer as well and that is not their job. Producing current market costs for re-use is key to the process. These projects are expensive just because they take big equipment and take a long time. Workin' Bridges was invited to participate in Section 106 but we would rather do the work so we can't. Big thumbs up and lets hope for a great outcome for this bridge.
Possibly getting restored:
Section 106 has begun for this bridge. PennDOT has said they recognize that this bridge is one of the most unique historic bridges in the country and say they do not expect that the bridge will be demolished. However, I consider this bridge at risk for demolition. When justifying the demolition of the Charleroi Monessen Bridge, PennDOT told the public the Donora Webster Bridge would be preserved. However, as of today, the contract to demolish the Donora Webster Bridge has been let. While I remain hopeful of a positive outcome in Section 106, I am certainly not assuming the bridge is safe from demolition.
I no, that's not how you spell know.
I remember traveling with my parents and crossing the Daniel Boone Bridge for the first time in 1980 when it was still US-40 & US-61, long before it was upgraded to I-64.
It was still 3 lanes and it still had the red & green directional signals above each lane. I thought that was so cool when I saw it for the first time.
I'll miss it when it's gone, assuming MODOT still has plans to dismantle this beautiful old historic bridge.
This is one of my favorite bridges in the state (sentimental reasons). Excellent photos.
This is actually a severely altered bedstead truss. Due to alteration, inventories no longer list it as a truss, which is likely why it has gone unnoticed.
I'd assume so?
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It wasn't added to the site, so I've added it.
I'm looking for the name of a bridge in Kensingston that crosses Rock Creek under Saul Road. Its nearest corner is Saul Road/Kensington Parkway. Kingston Road dead-ends into Saul Road nearby. The bridge was rebuilt in 1996. Does it have a name or identification number?
Two different bridges, right next to each other.
Pardon me for getting slightly political here, but I have to respond to a comment. Jason, do you remember the TRILLION $ stimulus bill the president signed into law shortly after his first term started. Do you remember the president promising all the public works projects it would fund? Have you ever read about the massive amounts of fraud that happened with this money as huge amounts of it was mis-allocated and embezzled by multiple levels of government with little or no over site? Do you realize just how astronomical a sum of money a trillion dollars is? Do you really trust politicians to somehow do better this time? Whether it's roads and bridges, waterways and dams, or electrical power transmission, our key infrastructure is being allowed to rot. I hate to tell you, but the current crop in Washington is not going to fix things; I don't care how much money you give them.
Found a newspaper article that says the city of Forsyth decided NOT to keep the bridge for pedestrian use.
Funny... I need to download Quadrangles for a bridge and usually when I do, I have gone thru the USGS page, but just today I had a specific need, and the new feature worked great and saved me a ton of time dealing with the cumbersome USGS browser.
Bruce Harms-The pictures you have posted on the Augusta Street Bridge page are incorrect pictures. Picture numbers 8-15 that you reposted from the Library of Congress are incorrectly labeled at the LoC. They are of the S. Presa Street Bridge. The subtitle of those pictures are correctly labeled as S. Presa Street Bridge.
STREETS DEPARTMENT ANNOUNCES CONSTRUCTION TO BEGIN ON THE MANAYUNK BRIDGE TRAIL PROJECT
Construction Completion by Fall 2015
Philadelphia – Streets Commissioner David J. Perri announced today that the Notice to Proceed for construction for the Manayunk Bridge Trail Project will be issued on Monday, July 14 .
The project will transform the former railroad bridge into an elevated bicycle and pedestrian trail to connect the Manayunk section of Philadelphia with the Cynwyd Heritage Trail in Lower Merion Township.
Work will be performed by A.P. Construction, Inc. The amount of the construction contract is approximately $4.1M, and it is being funded by State funds from the Pennsylvania Department of Conservation and Natural Resources, the Pennsylvania Community Transportation Initiative, and PennDOT Surface Transportation Program, local funds from Lower Merion Township, and federal funds. Construction is expected to be completed by Fall 2015.
Another historic bridge in help. The Old Red Bridge at Columbia Falls, Montana is the last two-span Pennsylvania through truss bridge in the state and has potential to be restored and integrated into a key regional bike trail. Problem: money and support. Yet there is a group that is pursuing the plan of restoring and reusing the bridge. More details and information on how you can help can be found here: http://thebridgehunter.areavoices.com/2014/07/15/old-red-bri...
Tony's update has "changed grame to frame"
as in rigid frame? the world may never know . . .
Looks like a pony girder RR bridge right next to this one . .
There is a bridge on W avenue as well. Here's it's page:
That's odd, as I remember marking it as a concrete rigid frame.
At least it is fixed now.
Thanks for the update! And congratulations.
I'm glad the bridge will not only be saved from destruction, but will be accessible and actually spanning water! I know it's more risky than a bridge over grass, but I like seeing a bridge actually bridging something.
Keep up the good work. Maybe this saved bridge is the start of a trend that will move to MO, PA, and ME. Or maybe not...
The pulldown box for the bridge type said "don't know" in it. It was in the "to-do list" for MN.
Pretty sure I listed the bridge as a rigid frame when I made the entry...
You are correct. The "Lower Sheffield Covered Bridge" spanned the Housatonic River downstream of the "Upper" one. It was built in 1953 by the Timber Engineering Co. of Washington, D.C. using their TECO connectors for greater strength. It was 135 ft. long & 24 ft wide, enough for three cars to pass. It is referenced in "Covered Bridges of the Northeast" by Richard Sanders Allen, 1974. I don't know what happened to it; I believe it was gone by the 1980's.
I remember a covered bridge book released in 1987 listing a Lower Sheffield Covered Bridge around this area. It was a newer covered bridge built in 1950s and listed as found closed. There seems to be little information regarding the Lower Sheffield or status. I'm guessing it must be gone.
Since the last update, a few changes to the original plan have taken place. The Lake Creek Bridge will still be saved! It just won't remain at it's present location. At this time, TXDOT, The Baylor County Historical Commission, Baylor County and The City of Seymour have all agreed to move the structure within the city limits of Seymour. This process is currently scheduled to begin in the summer of 2015, likely around June of that year. At that time the Lake Creek Bridge will be removed from it's current location where it has served as a way across Lake Creek since 1930. TXDOT will then replace the bridge with a new one and will take the current one for renovations dealing with safety, etc. Hopefully, by the time TXDOT has completed the necessary repairs the "pads" for the bridge's new home will be complete and the bridge will be placed in the Seymour City Park where it will cross Seymour Creek. As a historical commission, we see this move as a good thing and are happy that it will be placed across another creek of historical significance to the county. At the bridge's current location, in what was known as the Lake Creek Community at the time it was built, it is seen by few and unknown to many. Often, the target of vandalism, the bridge has stood strong for many generations. However, in an effort to improve access, safety, and in hopes of more people being able to know of the bridge's history we believe this is the best option for it. As more plans are made, throughout the upcoming year, I will keep you updated on the progress. You can see updates on the Baylor County Museum's facebook page at www.facebook.com/baylorcountymuseum
Perfect. Looks like it will still be around when I am in the area. I think that a side trip is in order.
Interview and info on the preservation efforts:
This bridge isnt on e ave. Its w ave. Live right next to it
Actually manual removal of two spans had been completed already. They just blew up the remaining spans.
While I have not read the funding proposals in detail, I highly doubt that any infrastructure funds will be designated for maintenance of obsolete infrastructure. If it was, we wouldn't need to spend as much.
Obama pushes for more money for infrastructure in the US. Will he get the financial and political support needed or will it stall, thus allowing for the next disaster to happen, so that he's blamed for it in the end? And how will this affect bridges built before 1950?
This is actually the Vermilion River not the Salt Fork Vermilion River. The Salt Fork ends aprox. 4 miles west of here just upstream from the Anderson Hill Bridge. The Salt and Middle forks form the Vermilion River and it flows to the Wabash. I canoed under this bridge last Sunday and it is 60 foot tall at normal water levels. There are several tall railroad bridges in the Danville vicinity.
Could someone tell me the age of this bridge and if it was used and during what years?
I found an older pony truss bridge that has been relocated to it's present location. Does anyone have specs on the type of truss that was previously here?
I didn't find much on this old bridge.
After taking pictures of the current bridge (soon to be replaced) I took a few of the evidence of an old bridge. I found the library in St. James and asked if they new anything about the former bridge. All they had was some photo albums, in which I found the black and white photos.
The build date of 1900 is entirely a guess based on the photos. The lower chord is at the bottom of the floor beams, the lacing of the strut, etc.
The current bridge is scheduled to be replaced with the new bridge west of the current one. That could mean all the evidence of the truss bridge will be removed.
This bridge was the cutoff from Rossville Jct to connect with the old Grape Creek Branch (which ran from Danville Jct to Villa Grove; the location is just south of where the city main of the C&EI crossed the P&E) just a litte NE of Sidell IL. This route was also used by the Elgin, Joliet, and Eastern which had trackage rights on the C&EI to Rossville Jct. and ran trains to US Steel owned mines around Georgetown and Westville for coal to fuel the steel mills up around Chicago. The EJ&E had a roundhouse just south of Rossville which still stands the last I looked back in January.
The mismatched trusses seem to be unique to Missouri. This was apparently a state standard design, as several were built across the state:
How high is this bridge from the water and does it raise aotumatically to marine traffic??
Cool how the trusses are mismatched. I suppose a floor beam is located where the diagonals meet at the lower chord, and the mismatch allows the floor beams to be perpendicular to the trusses because of the skew.
You have to select Bertram township on the last two links.
Apparently it was a road from C.R. to Mt. Vernon, then on to the Mississippi at Clinton.
Blaine was the name of three or four property owners in the vicinity.
Some online atlases:
Road is designated BB from C.R. to Mt. Vernon.
Questions, How long does it take to drive through and can you see through the tunnel from end to end
Question? Is this a real bridge, or is it a modern prefab bridge meant to look like a real bridge for the museum? If it is real, where did it come from?
Free to good home:
Mystery Bridge article as part of the tour through and around Bertram: http://thebridgehunter.areavoices.com/2014/07/13/mystery-bri...
I am pretty sure the location is on Center Street in Germantown instead of Linden.
Bridge being replaced in sections. More here: http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/07/facts_about...
I've paddled thousands of miles over the years and gone under many bridges. On July 9th 2014 I went under Wolf Creek Bridge. What a magnificent bridge, a work of art. I had to learn more. I spent some time under looking up, just mesmerized by its architectural beauty. I've never thought much about bridges, but this one made me stop and learn more (and post a comment). Kudos to TN for preserving the 1928 bridge.
This bridge hasn't been demolished my wife use to live Dwn the road from it and we just stopped buy and saw it even walked across it on July 12 2014