April 1, huh? Nice try. Oh, do post a map!
Forget my earlier statement. This bridge is still in use. The one I was thinking of is further S on this road, crossing North River. Would be in Warren County.
I think Clover Hills Drive Bridge not be accessible anymore. The road has been barricaded about 2-3 mile S of overpass over Hwy #5. Walking access only?
Also barricaded at access coming from the South.
Now, I've noticed a tendency for this website to get rather silly. Now I do my best to keep things moving along, but I'm not having things getting silly. It compromises the integrity of what we're doing here.
Now, nobody likes a good laugh more than I do... except perhaps my wife and some of her friends... oh yes and Captain Johnston. Come to think of it most people like a good laugh more than I do. But that's beside the point.
OK, I got the 2nd joke-the Kukin Run Fruitcake Bridge!
Closed now. the new one is not near done, seems work on it ceased.
I'm surprised nobody has found the other April Fools gag. Look at the recent updates closely.
Poor J.R, he will never live that pink tinting camera down!
Life as seen through J.R. Manning's "Rose-colored perspective"...How could anybody not want that!
This bridge is subject for replacement by the FDOT, project currently scheduled for letting on 5/22/13.
There are some of us here who are old enough that heart stoppage or mental home check-in are daily possibilities. Remember to keep the pranks appropriate for all ages including extremely feeble! If you were here I'd point out the spot of mustard on your shirt....
A sad day in Germany as it will lose its own historic icon! :-( http://thebridgehunter.areavoices.com/2013/04/01/rendsburg-h... I don't think one barf bag will be enough, let alone a box of kleenexes.... :-(
You give me a reason to look forward to April 1st each year. This one is classic, well played.
Well said Matt. Unfortunately, so folks just automatically blame all problems on the political opposition, because they have no critical thinking skills. Josef Stalin called them "useful idiots".
Nice one Ben! I would call it historic and noteworthy!
The materials and constrution technique suggest a pre-1950 build date, so it seems it's historic.
It is a truss design I have never seen on a bridge, making it noteworthy. :)
It also is an odd truss design. I'm presuming the cross bar (Sway brace? Lateral tie?) is about 7 ft [2.15 m] above the deck. The first 6 ft [2 m] or so from the pier the deck doesn't span more than 3 ft [1 m] - but then the center section has a 7 ft [2.15 m] span. Either the center should have more support, or the ends don't need that much.
That top cross bar isn't a sway brace because it is tied to the truss webs with a single point. And there don't seem to be any buttresses, so there is very little to keep the truss webs vertical.
So - how to classify truss type... I would classify it as a partially sub-devided fink through truss.
Anyway - I say make a page for it!
The pinned location may be the remains of an old CRI&P bridge. 1965 topo shows an active RR crossing there but no road. A bit further to the SE is another smaller stream with both the RR and a road crossing. Currently there is a fairly recent looking culvert carrying the road. Probably mark this one as lost....
The Swing Span does look newer. Never noticed that before.
The span was not likely renovated in 1982, as a lift span would have likely been put in instead. So I cannot say when it was renovated. The historic aerial photos of the area are poor quality.
Wikipedia gives the dates of rehabilitation of 1925, 1951 and 1982. I would put my money on the last date though. It is odd, especially for this area, that a bridge built in 1910 wouldn't last until this date.
It's kinda a mutt or mongrel if you will...
But certainly more worthy than some of the stuff that shows up on here!
Technically it wasn't moved. This bridge was built and that bridge was removed at the same time they removed the Fulton street bridge.
I think it's worthy of an entry.
I need some input on this bridge. Is it historic? Notable? A redneck Bridge? It is riveted and made with Lackawanna Steel.
Inaccurate stereotype--I'm a heartless Republican, and I hate the new bridge. This has nothing to do with partisan politics, and everything to do with common sense. Anyone with half a functioning brain cell can see right off the bat that this project is as poorly planned out and executed as it could possibly be, with the best interests of America not even considered.
It is indeed a wonderful restoration that Anderson did to save the old bridge from destruction Scott! I live in New Castle and love to stop by there whenever I get the chance to!
You can visit the new page I made for it here:
Possibly on the San Juan extension of the D&RGW between Chama and Durango. The train passed over 3 or 4 bridges until, the rails were removed in 1970. 2 or 3 of the bridges were truss bridges with v braces.
Possibly on Farmington Branch out of Carbon Junction on Denver & Rio Grande Western. Carbon Junction was a split of railroad outside of Durango, left leg went to Chama, NM and the right leg went to Farmington, through Aztec, I have a 16mm film of the Grande on a bridge that looked just like this bridge in the 1960s, line rebuilt in 1923, and wooden trestles replaced soon after, 1929, is soon after, this is a bridge probably replacing a wooden trestle.
Hibbs/Cole Creek Bridge,is still alive and doing well. The people of Anderson, Indiana. are proud to have a part of Indiana history come to our town, it's not often that we have the chance to save a piece of beautiful history such as Hibbs Bridge. Hibbs Bridge is now located in down town Anderson, Indiana, on the White River Trail crossing White River with the city of Anderson looking over.
Why don't you go live in communist China if you love it so much. You must be a heartless republican.
Looks like on the center of the bridge they have an American flag that lights up at night.
The approach spans may date to 1910, but the main swing span is clearly new. Anyone know the exact year? John Week's website says work was done many times, most recently in 1982, but I am not sure what date the swing span was replaced.
For Iowa bridges that didn't have coordinates in the NBI, I wrote a program to try to guess the coordinates based on the survey location (in this case T. 69 N., R. 10 W., Sec. 4). It picked out the northwest corner of the survey, so this bridge could be anywhere within a mile east or south of the point. There does appear to be something suspicious nearby -- I've moved the marker there.
I spotted this bridge as I was driving past on US 63. I didn't have time to turn around and investigate, so I don't have any photos. But with the help of satellite images I was able to get a precise location.
Since I didn't find it listed in the NBI, I'm guessing it's a private bridge. Map websites provided who it likely belongs to. Dimensions are approximate and derived from the satellite images.
How can I determine the original cost of this bridge? Thanks, Tommy 972-603-8647
Does anybody know what the original cost of this bridge might have been? Thanks, Tommy Staley 972-603-8647
Not only do I not see the bridge in the satellite image, I don't even see any creek on the satellite image for this bridge to cross. Do we have any idea if this bridge even exists?
I crossed this bridge on March 27th, 2013; while traveling as a crop insurance adjuster. I took a few photos.
The reason for the marked difference in the tracks is that the Illinois Central railroad wasn't happy with the grade and came through in the 1960s and cut the one track way down. It was the original siding, but was made the main after they cut it down.
Just visited the bridge yesterday. There is an absolutely enormous log jam piled up behind the piers here. A person could practically walk across the river on them.
For Immediate Release - March 29, 2013
Dodge City’s 2nd Avenue Historic Steel Bridge
Fate To Be Determined At Meeting in April
Julie Bowers, Executive Director of The N. Skunk River Greenbelt Association and consultant for Workin’ Bridges of Grinnell, Iowa, is seeking additional information about the historic old steel bridge that was built across the Arkansas River in Dodge City, Kansas in 1906. Two sections of the original bridge remain standing on the Mulberry Creek, southwest of Ford, Kansas, about twenty miles from its original location in the historic cow town of Dodge City. “We are looking for images or information about where the other trusses from the bridge ended up,” stated Bowers. “They could be included in the video that we are producing for the meeting.”
The two sections of the original 2nd Avenue truss bridge placed over Mulberry Creek on Valley Road, southwest of Ford, were opened in 1959. An inspection in May of 2012 revealed a broken pin and the bridge was closed by Kansas Department of Transportation.
On closer examination the pin turned out to be a replacement part, a hole in the center and a key way channel down the length point toward a vehicle’s axle being the source for the replacement part. Pretty clever for the day and it lasted nearly 60 years. This part can be replaced with a new pin, the work was estimated by BACH Steel in November 2012.
Wayne Keller’s quest to work with this bridge began three years ago when the Ford County Commissioners approached him with their desire to abandon the bridge and close the road across the Mulberry Creek. He agreed, if the Commissioners would provide access to his home from 123 Road. Some work was done on the minimum maintenance road but the commission decided that would be too expensive and stopped those efforts. After the broken pin was discovered, the Ford County Commission decided to replace the bridge with a culvert rather than improve 123 Road. It was at that time that Mr. Keller enlisted the help of Workin’ Bridges, a consulting firm for historic bridge restoration, who in turn did a site inspection and provided an estimate for pin repair.
On Monday, October 15, 2012, the Ford County Engineer submitted the plans for the low water crossing to the Army Corps of Engineers (ACE), prompting the Section 106 review. The Kansas State Historic Society determined that the bridge is eligible for the National Register and that replacement is considered an adverse effect in accordance with Section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act of 1966. They are currently consulting with the Army Corps of Engineers to avoid and minimize adverse effects to the bridge and KSHS recommends that the bridge be retained and repaired.
In the meantime, Keller had appealed the county’s plans for a low water crossing given the potential for flooding in the large Mulberry Creek watershed, evidenced by high water markers attached on the abutment. He appealed the commissions ruling through a court hearing to address the culvert under K.S.A. 19-223. In February of 2013 the court refused a hearing of the issues and dismissed the action.
The meeting in El Dorado on April 10, 2013 at the Army Corp of Engineers will be the next step. Workin’ Bridges is also developing alternative options for the spans in the event the outcome dictates moving them and any input from the citizens would be welcome for concepts for alternative uses. The spans are still in great shape. Perhaps they could become a performance stage utilized in downtown Dodge City, used on a trail system, or placed in a park but grant requirements dictate different paths,” stated Bowers, “They really they could work for generations to come right where they cross the Mulberry Creek. Listing on the National Register makes them eligible for historic preservation grants. The Kansas City Bridge Company has just over 100 bridges left across the country. Their work, if maintained, can last indefinitely, preserve the quality of life and provide a reasonable crossing for most vehicles.”
Julie Bowers may be contacted at Workin’ Bridges on Facebook, P.O. Box 332, Grinnell, Iowa 50112, 641-260-1262, firstname.lastname@example.org, or at www.skunkriverbridge.org. Workin’ Bridges is a part of The N. Skunk River Greenbelt Association, a 501(c)(3) corporation, dedicated to historic truss and greenbelt restoration.
Was wondering if you have anymore information on this bridge. Maybe when it was built, by whom, etc? Am trying to see if it has any historical significance to help possibly fund a painting project before it rusts away.
Thank you for your time.
IMO, the new bay bridge was “designed by politicians” and political considerations were more important than sensible engineering. The replacement span was originally supposed to be a "signature" cable stay and there were even other proposed alternatives that looked better than the actually-built new bridge, but the politicians, namely gov Arnold Schwarzenegger, "terminated" the signature cable-stay design for the cheap Chinese alternative. Heck, when Schwarzenegger was governor he actually visited the Chinese factory where components for the bridge were being built.
If you "connect the dots", you can see where the old railbed continued west where the road turns south, to cross the river.
One of the bridges that crossed Honey Creek failed under a locomotive the fateful night when Kate Shelley crawled across the Des Moines River bridge on this line to stop the next train.
Sorry, but I sharply disagree on all of Anon's points--not to be critical, but to simply point out that this could have been executed far better than it is with this project...first, as Nathan pointed out, one side of one deck section came loose--pretty darn good for an earthquake that did substantial damage to most newer structures! Two large pins (or bolts) sheared off; that's it. No structural damage to the superstructure at all. I predict that this will be a huge issue with the cable support bolts on the new slab, since new bolts have already broken on it, and it's not even open yet. They're quick to blame US bolts, I've noticed, BTW...New bridges are probably mostly bad architecture, but the old bridges that we on this site favor are straight-up civil engineering--every member not only looks good, but serves a critical structural purpose. New bridges cannot make that claim. As for the steel comment, if the US couldn't produce the steel for one lousy bridge project, then we'd be in serious trouble...issue is, we couldnt match China's low prices--and refused to match their ultra-low quality. If Caltran want to pay cruddy steel prices, then they'll get cruddy China steel. I see what is constantly happening to China's new bridges in their own country--collapse after collapse; shoddy workmanship and design, and shoddy material. Sorry, a "Made in China" MOB is something that I will never understand and refuse to support. Ok, I'm done.
They are currently behind the Kawanis fairground, right by the Griffin airport, and the driving range/second hole of the Griffin City Park golf course. If you turn at the fairgrounds, there is a dirt road that keeps ongoing--follow it, and the bridge parts are right before the woods--just a month ago my children and I explored them.
I goofed on the last post and didn't get the pictures sent correctly. Here they are circa 1925'
Looks likes big trucks want a new bridge here. This is a bridge that should be repaired and retained in place.
If the big industry boys want new bridges for their own self serving interests, perhaps they should start investing in their own roads.
We are getting involved with this suspension bridge. The reports show good overall except for superstructure. What needs to be restored to get those numbers up.
Living on solid ground here in Michigan I don't claim to be an expert on seismic issues relating to bridge preservation. Its not an area I specialize in. One of the many things I don't understand is why the lacing and lattice and rivets was seen as such a problem with this bridge, especially when many other bridges in the area including Golden Gate Bridge, retain these elements. Furthermore, while I don't dispute that the bridge as-built may be a risk with earthquakes, the section that collapsed in the previous earthquake was just a deck section. While serious, this seemed to me to be more a problem with the deck sections, not with the overall truss itself which was not damaged.
1965 Boone West, IA topo shows old RR bed:
1914 Boone, IA 15' shows Chicago and Northwestern:
I don't understand the hatred on this site towards the replacement project. The old bridge is not safe. It will collapse in a major earthquake - it almost did in 1989, and studies show that there is a 70% chance of an earthquake large enough to destroy the bridge in the next 30 years.
The only alternative to replacement is a major retrofit which would include the replacement of almost every single member, just like the suspension span. ALL the lacing would be removed and replaced with plate girders or box beams. ALL the rivets would be removed and replaced with bolts. The appearance would be radically altered and little historic material would survive.
Bridges are architecture - which according to our Roman friend Vitruvius must be solid, useful, and beautiful. The old bridge doesn't hold up here. I am all for historic preservation when it is possible to create safe, useful, and attractive architecture out of existing structures but it simply isn't possible in this case.
On the Chinese steel point: American companies were welcome to bid. None of them did. ALL of the bids came from overseas. That may say something about our economy, but it's not the bridge designer's fault that the US isn't capable of producing the needed materials.
Things could be much worse: the people of San Francisco rejected a viaduct approach which was a two mile long ugly concrete bridge for a "signature span". The self-anchored suspension bridge, while not what I consider optimal, is at leas an interesting technology and much better than what could have happened.
If this was built 1920, then it is a railroad bridge. The railroad abandoned the line through here in 1931. The bridge contains a 13 foot wide deck, a size comparable to other railroad pony trusses.
Almost sure it is a former RR bridge too. Either that or it was imported from elsewhere.
I stopped by here the other day and looks like they might have did a road alignment sometime. the bridge in the pictures looks to be located several hundred feet south of the bridge now used today. the paved and gaurdrails are still standing on it on the east end and is very overgrown with trees, the westend has been leveled and now has houses built there.
next time will have my camera to take some pics
I want to see this giant someday, along with the Cairo bridges and the Caruthersville Bridge. I will also see the merging of the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers, and there is a old bridge at Metroplis, IL that sounds very interesting. I will also go to Lamberts Restaurant at Sikeston and eat like a pig there!!!!!!!I would guess it would take a earthquake of 9 or more on the Richter scale to knock the Thebes bridge down.
Yes...Glen is correct that this is a duplicate listing that I will send a request to remove.
The bridge page can be found here and I did incorporate the NBI data into it.
I agree with Robert. The clue is the end of the span. And while Jason took some good pictures, none are titled or commented so I'll refer to John Marvig's photos.
"Second pier from west" and "Span" clearly show the arc is not at the end. In other words, the high strength, wide part of the web is above the bents. This is a characteristic of a cantilvered truss.
So I'm changing the design field.
Sounds like the new bridge might be "fracture critical".
I started to change the map position and road name for this bridge, but then reverted it to what was originally posted.
yes, it appears that the data for the other bridge may have been used to create this entry. This is a RR overpass and not a road bridge, therefore probably has no NBI entry.
thats the south avery creek bridge southwest of chillicothe in wapello county on 200th avenue in the photo
You and John Prine:
Not only will this project result in the demolition of half of one of the most significant built structures in the history of the United States, the replacement bridge is a piece of junk. Like buying a bridge from the bargain bin at Walmart.
I would classify this one as a cantilver deck truss.
Repair and replace by another company please!
This pisses me off.
Wow, if the bolts are so important and SO hard to reach after other segments have been installed around them, WHY wouldn't they do a quality audit BEFORE they install them?
I Grew Up As A Teenager In Osgood, IN Just West Of This And It Was A Right Of Passage To Walk Across This, And In Some Places Whole Wooden Cross Ties Where Gone And You Had To Jump Over The Span... Some Friends Have Even Been Caught In The Middle And Had To Ride It Out Laying Down On The Service Platforms On The Sides... They Turned A Little White Afterwards...
This Is Not Right...
The RR Is Over The Finks Rd. In This Area This Is A Double Listing For The BH 44031 Bridge...
One Of The Two Bridges In The Area I Would Want My Ashes Spread From...
Where I Want My Friends To Spread My Ashes...
It could take 7 years and cost $240 million to tear down the old Bay bridge cantilever span after the new replacement span is opened to traffic this fall.
And the new replacement span is having problems too since 30 of the 288 giant bolts holding together the new bridge span have snapped.
I sure like the words "the bridge is open again". *grin*
Those are pretty little photos. Do you have larger ones? And I find that overcast days are the best for getting photos of the details. :)
Got some bad news - the village is doing some culvert work in this area and the one closest to the house was removed last week and the other one is due to be removed in a few days.
this bridge is now back open and posted with a 3 ton weight limit! went there about 3 days ago and drove across it. it is a beautiful bridge that i have always wanted to see and was so glad to see that white county had rehabilatated it and it was back open, i will attach some pictures but it was very cloudy so there not that pretty but the bridge is there is full beauty!
I'm in the process of digitizing all my fathers old negatives and just finished all the ones from Ellaville when he built the bridge there in 1925 or so. Here are a few to show you how it looked being built.
This bridge was lost in 1989. The plaque that is shown in one of the photos was recovered and was archived at the Owyhee County Museum in Murphy.
A 1000 foot freighter passes through the Michigan Street and Oregon Street bridges.
A 1000 foot freighter passes through the Michigan Street and Oregon Street bridges.
When was this bridge removed and was it replaced by the bridge that is currently in Kilbourne, at the same location. or was the bridge that was lost further South on Alum Creek?
Nathan, that is awesome. Thanks for the input.
If anyone hasn't perused Nathan's site at historicbridges you really should. He goes much further with documenting bridges than is done here on bridgehunter with examples of the connections, history and opinions!
We have asked and been given permission to use his photographs before, especially for our bowstring and Gilliece Bowstring when it was bad weather for getting close-ups. In fact Nels did a lot of work with the Gilliece bridge from those photos and we appreciate his work very much.
The Creamery Bridge in Osawatomie, Kansas has always been a favorite of mine. Who doesn't like a triple span Marsh arch next to a battlefield?
The Fort Atkinson Bridge is one of the bridges we'll be visiting during the 5th annual Historic Bridge Conference which takes place August 9-11. We'll be visiting the bridge while on the first day of the three-day event. If interested in joining us, please contact me at email@example.com.
I believe the bridge will be standing together with the Giliecie Bridge when the tour through Winneshiek County on that day will take place....
By the way, Frank Lloyd Wright was in truth a bridge designer because of the Sylvan Drive Bridge...
This bridge was closed to traffic today (3-24-13). There is lots of heavy construction equipment in place and that usually means only one thing = a new concrete bridge. The Shelhorn Bridge just two miles downstream has also been replaced after being closed for several years. Sad to see Decatur County losing some of its old iron structures recently especially over the Flatrock River.
I thought about adding this before. I was there the other day dropping off books.
You might want to add "Doomed" to the list of categories.
This library may or may not exist in present form in the future. There is a 13.1 million dollar plan to build a new library or renovate this in a totally different design. There is much acrimony.
The City of Renton in the midst of the Great Recession would have reduced hours or closed their libraries if not for a ballot to join with King County's system. The vote was close ... I want to say 50 some votes separated the yeas from nays. The wrangling continues to this day ...
I have a whole pile of favorites, but I will share a few of my categories here.
Favorite large bridge: Fort Dodge High Bridge in Fort Dodge, Webster County, Iowa
Favorite Medium Sized Bridge: Redstone Bridge in New Ulm, Brown County, Minnesota
Favorite Small Bridge:
Favorite Piece of Local Lost History (to Carver County, MN): Chaska Swing Bridge. Never even got to see it.
Favorite rare type: Northwestern Bridge
Favorite lost piece of history: CGW Des Moines River Bridge in Des Moines, Polk County, Iowa
Chuck C - can you get some photos of details before the bridge is gone? Things like the end joint and foot, a lower joint, an upper joint, railing attachment, stringers, floor beams, braces, etc.
I don't think I can make it to Jasper county this week... Or next week.
I actually have three favorites that I have visited more than once:
favorite large span - Blackhawk bridge
favorite river bridge - Wagon Wheel Bridge
favorite small bridge - Long Dick Creek Arch Bridge
This bridge is sometimes referred to as Union Bridge named after the church and cemetery located about 300 ft. west of the bridge.
The parking garage was in Sioux Falls, SD. It was removed for the green-way project.
Either way when you build your house, it should be considered historic.
Wikipedia says it, I wrote it, I believe it. (Bumper sticker)
Wright would be amused. I guess the key word would be "purpose". I am also amused and think it's just fine to include these "spans" here. The site owner will make the final decision on their appropriateness.
I recall a parking garage, perhaps in Iowa, that spanned a river and which is now gone and undocumented here. Probably historic, even if modern.
Here's the question: If you obtained a nice old truss, would you build the house inside so the bridge showed, or build the house around the bridge so you could have the bridge in the living room?
1910 topo shows a combined road and interurban line. The RR is most likely the Rock Island Southern Interurban. The Rock Island line crossing shows in its present location.
As taken from Wikipedia: "A bridge is a structure built to span physical obstacles such as a body of water, valley, or road, for the purpose of providing passage over the obstacle."
I'm pretty confident that this woul actually have been the location of the road crossing (which as one point WAS indeed shared with the local trolley.
The "Rock Island"'s swing bridge across the canal has clearly been replaced by a culvert and earthen fill.
Clark, I was going to say refer to that great architectural marvel. But if we made bridges into buildings, like the b. b. comer over the Tennessee river.
The vertical struts and upper lateral braces are solid, not laced. The end joint is pinned to the foot. The top chord and end posts are V-laced. None of the diagonals are ties, the are all built-up with battons. The deck is wide. The gussets are fairly big.
So - I would _guess_ 1930's to early 1940's. I would be shocked if it were actually built in 1972!
So Frank Lloyd Wright would be a bridge designer because of Falling Water?
Boulder library is also over a creek. I don't think they qualify as bridges because they get tax credits!!!
Those are cool. I will try to get there.
Ft. Atkinson wants there bridge but you never know.
as of today 3/23/13 the old iron bridge still stands and is used daily. The pending destruction was delayed by weather and construction problems faced by the company who will be replacing the bridge. They have staged drainage tiles and baserock in a nearby field in preparation for the demo which is slated to begin any week now. I have taken several new photos and hope to be able to record the demo process.
This fits the "covered" bridge category too . . . .
Good to hear that the bridge won't be torn down for replacement. I saw in a previous post of yours that you'd like to find portal decorations like this bridge.
The portal decorations from the Foreston bridge are similar and on display inside Lidtke Mill north of Lime Springs, Iowa, on the Upper Iowa river. Foreston bridge was also built by D.H. Young.
I recommend that any interested bridgehunters visit and take the tour this summer. The tour is inexpensive and proceeds go into upkeep of the historic mill.
See my photo of the portal decorations on this page: