In addition to that, the date of 1878 is almost certainly incorrect. While it was not unusual for rail bridges to have been constructed of steel at this time, the portal style was commonly used by American Bridge Company and Lassig Bridge & Iron Works after 1885. It might not be impossible that it was built 1878, as all sources say it was, but I don't think that is the build date of the current bridge.
Very interesting, because this ties into some research I just did. The Rock Island built the second rail line that reached Knoxville in 1876, just one year after the CB&Q. I always wondered where the Rock Island bridge was. They must have decided it was better to tie into the CB&Q at some point and use their bridge, rather than building another one. The Rock Island might have retained use of the bridge longer than the Burlington did; they abandoned service in 1938, which is the exact year the bridge ceased being used for rail traffic.
wish i did. i took them on my girlfreinds ipod. im not sure why they are so small
A FYI, this bridge was part of the Ohio and Kentucky Railway. The line from O&K Junction 1.37 miles from Jackson to Cannel City was constructed in 1910-1911 and abandoned in 1933.
I did a bit of history of the line at http://www.abandonedonline.net/railroads/ohio-and-kentucky-r....
The aerial imagery says this bridge was CRI&P back in the 30s.
Rails to trails now, part of the Wabash Trace.
This is now part of my sightseeing wish list. I want to find & photograph this bridge. Any engraved graffiti will be a bonus.
One of the CCC builders of this bridge has vivid memories of every aspect of the building process. He was honored at the dedication ceremony for his contributions. He, like this bridge, is a living testament to beautiful craftsmanship and pride in hard work!
There are indeed contract provisions requiring American Steel on highway contracts. I don't work in California, so I'm not familiar with their policies, but the law itself does exist. You may want to look into what excuse they came up with to try and circumvent the requirements.
The Republican-Democrat debate has nothing to do with this. Both parties are equal opportunity liars and thieves who'd sell out you the citizen who pays the bill at any time for any price.
I've noticed that those who turn these discussions into politically biased bash sessions also don't have the jewels to put their names with their air-headed comments! As I mentioned before, I AM Republican, but that certainly doesn't mean that I support Chinese steel, and that certainly doesn't make me anti-American! Obama is about as anti-American as they get--last time I checked, he was a DEMOCRAT! See? Doesn't make sense at all, does it?? This has absolutely ZERO to do with politics, and everything to do with the interests of America! Get a brain, and use it before posting!
The railroad is effectively a "dead-end" branch-line railroad ending at an industry about a mile east of the bridge, with only one crew, one locomotive, etc. The trains operates at fairly low speed. The crew members on the train are often (usually? I've seen a guy in a truck drive out to close the bridge in advance once...) the ones cranking the bridge open and close. It's akin to the gate or garage door at the end of a driveway being open or close before you drive out onto the road--you don't need a signal to tell you your gate or garage door is open or not, do you?
Wow, really appreciate the photos from down below.
Why do you take offense if you aren't the one who supported Chinese steel being used? The fact is they should have passed a LAW saying that the steel and labor had to come from America. That bridge should be ONE-HUNDRED PERCENT Made In USA. Period. If you support the use of Chinese steel then yes you are an anti-American republican. Typical.
On the day that they open that atrocity I'm going to be among the protesters protesting it being Made In China.
Wow, very unique bridge. But how does the railroad know when the bridge is open? Does the open bridge turn the railroad signal to "red" status?
As of today the bridge has been cleared of the blue boards and all the construction fencing removed. There is a closure sign but it's mounted so as to be readily removed for vehicle access.
Looks like 2013 or 2014 will be the year of demolition. Maybe a group should be assembled to attempt to get the trusses moved to a new location?
After you visit this bridge, be sure to visit Michigan's rail-supported railroad bridge. http://www.historicbridges.org/other/davis/
I do not have any photo's handy but can add them later.
That St. Marys bridge is in used today an is not 'completely' a lost structure.
Most of it has been taken down but part of is use to take car and foot traffic to the near by island called Middle Island.
These are pictures I took of the Tobias Bridge in Jefferson Co, In. just prior to the restoration. Jim Barker put me onto the trail of this bridge. I haven't been back to see the restoration of the bridge.
This bridge is in Warren county, so your initial post is technically correct, although replacement isn't supposed to begin until 2014.
Per the 2011 inspection report the deck does get soggy and sticky during Oregon's rainy season from September to July. So make a visit in August and hope all the modern day hermits are fully dressed.
Plus, it only makes since that the hermits must be licensed in Lane County (Eugene), Oregon since they make such an effort to make them comfortable.
On that note, I guess I'm off to Eugene to inspect the fine bridges of Lane County. There is nothing like dancing with cars on the Beltline Highway to liven up ones Tuesday.
April 1, huh? Nice try. Oh, do post a map!
Forget my earlier statement. This bridge is still in use. The one I was thinking of is further S on this road, crossing North River. Would be in Warren County.
I think Clover Hills Drive Bridge not be accessible anymore. The road has been barricaded about 2-3 mile S of overpass over Hwy #5. Walking access only?
Also barricaded at access coming from the South.
Now, I've noticed a tendency for this website to get rather silly. Now I do my best to keep things moving along, but I'm not having things getting silly. It compromises the integrity of what we're doing here.
Now, nobody likes a good laugh more than I do... except perhaps my wife and some of her friends... oh yes and Captain Johnston. Come to think of it most people like a good laugh more than I do. But that's beside the point.
OK, I got the 2nd joke-the Kukin Run Fruitcake Bridge!
Closed now. the new one is not near done, seems work on it ceased.
I'm surprised nobody has found the other April Fools gag. Look at the recent updates closely.
Poor J.R, he will never live that pink tinting camera down!
Life as seen through J.R. Manning's "Rose-colored perspective"...How could anybody not want that!
This bridge is subject for replacement by the FDOT, project currently scheduled for letting on 5/22/13.
There are some of us here who are old enough that heart stoppage or mental home check-in are daily possibilities. Remember to keep the pranks appropriate for all ages including extremely feeble! If you were here I'd point out the spot of mustard on your shirt....
A sad day in Germany as it will lose its own historic icon! :-( http://thebridgehunter.areavoices.com/2013/04/01/rendsburg-h... I don't think one barf bag will be enough, let alone a box of kleenexes.... :-(
You give me a reason to look forward to April 1st each year. This one is classic, well played.
Well said Matt. Unfortunately, so folks just automatically blame all problems on the political opposition, because they have no critical thinking skills. Josef Stalin called them "useful idiots".
Nice one Ben! I would call it historic and noteworthy!
The materials and constrution technique suggest a pre-1950 build date, so it seems it's historic.
It is a truss design I have never seen on a bridge, making it noteworthy. :)
It also is an odd truss design. I'm presuming the cross bar (Sway brace? Lateral tie?) is about 7 ft [2.15 m] above the deck. The first 6 ft [2 m] or so from the pier the deck doesn't span more than 3 ft [1 m] - but then the center section has a 7 ft [2.15 m] span. Either the center should have more support, or the ends don't need that much.
That top cross bar isn't a sway brace because it is tied to the truss webs with a single point. And there don't seem to be any buttresses, so there is very little to keep the truss webs vertical.
So - how to classify truss type... I would classify it as a partially sub-devided fink through truss.
Anyway - I say make a page for it!
The pinned location may be the remains of an old CRI&P bridge. 1965 topo shows an active RR crossing there but no road. A bit further to the SE is another smaller stream with both the RR and a road crossing. Currently there is a fairly recent looking culvert carrying the road. Probably mark this one as lost....
The Swing Span does look newer. Never noticed that before.
The span was not likely renovated in 1982, as a lift span would have likely been put in instead. So I cannot say when it was renovated. The historic aerial photos of the area are poor quality.
Wikipedia gives the dates of rehabilitation of 1925, 1951 and 1982. I would put my money on the last date though. It is odd, especially for this area, that a bridge built in 1910 wouldn't last until this date.
It's kinda a mutt or mongrel if you will...
But certainly more worthy than some of the stuff that shows up on here!
Technically it wasn't moved. This bridge was built and that bridge was removed at the same time they removed the Fulton street bridge.
I think it's worthy of an entry.
I need some input on this bridge. Is it historic? Notable? A redneck Bridge? It is riveted and made with Lackawanna Steel.
Inaccurate stereotype--I'm a heartless Republican, and I hate the new bridge. This has nothing to do with partisan politics, and everything to do with common sense. Anyone with half a functioning brain cell can see right off the bat that this project is as poorly planned out and executed as it could possibly be, with the best interests of America not even considered.
It is indeed a wonderful restoration that Anderson did to save the old bridge from destruction Scott! I live in New Castle and love to stop by there whenever I get the chance to!
You can visit the new page I made for it here:
Possibly on the San Juan extension of the D&RGW between Chama and Durango. The train passed over 3 or 4 bridges until, the rails were removed in 1970. 2 or 3 of the bridges were truss bridges with v braces.
Possibly on Farmington Branch out of Carbon Junction on Denver & Rio Grande Western. Carbon Junction was a split of railroad outside of Durango, left leg went to Chama, NM and the right leg went to Farmington, through Aztec, I have a 16mm film of the Grande on a bridge that looked just like this bridge in the 1960s, line rebuilt in 1923, and wooden trestles replaced soon after, 1929, is soon after, this is a bridge probably replacing a wooden trestle.
Hibbs/Cole Creek Bridge,is still alive and doing well. The people of Anderson, Indiana. are proud to have a part of Indiana history come to our town, it's not often that we have the chance to save a piece of beautiful history such as Hibbs Bridge. Hibbs Bridge is now located in down town Anderson, Indiana, on the White River Trail crossing White River with the city of Anderson looking over.
Why don't you go live in communist China if you love it so much. You must be a heartless republican.
Looks like on the center of the bridge they have an American flag that lights up at night.
The approach spans may date to 1910, but the main swing span is clearly new. Anyone know the exact year? John Week's website says work was done many times, most recently in 1982, but I am not sure what date the swing span was replaced.
For Iowa bridges that didn't have coordinates in the NBI, I wrote a program to try to guess the coordinates based on the survey location (in this case T. 69 N., R. 10 W., Sec. 4). It picked out the northwest corner of the survey, so this bridge could be anywhere within a mile east or south of the point. There does appear to be something suspicious nearby -- I've moved the marker there.
I spotted this bridge as I was driving past on US 63. I didn't have time to turn around and investigate, so I don't have any photos. But with the help of satellite images I was able to get a precise location.
Since I didn't find it listed in the NBI, I'm guessing it's a private bridge. Map websites provided who it likely belongs to. Dimensions are approximate and derived from the satellite images.
How can I determine the original cost of this bridge? Thanks, Tommy 972-603-8647
Does anybody know what the original cost of this bridge might have been? Thanks, Tommy Staley 972-603-8647
Not only do I not see the bridge in the satellite image, I don't even see any creek on the satellite image for this bridge to cross. Do we have any idea if this bridge even exists?
I crossed this bridge on March 27th, 2013; while traveling as a crop insurance adjuster. I took a few photos.
The reason for the marked difference in the tracks is that the Illinois Central railroad wasn't happy with the grade and came through in the 1960s and cut the one track way down. It was the original siding, but was made the main after they cut it down.
Just visited the bridge yesterday. There is an absolutely enormous log jam piled up behind the piers here. A person could practically walk across the river on them.
For Immediate Release - March 29, 2013
Dodge City’s 2nd Avenue Historic Steel Bridge
Fate To Be Determined At Meeting in April
Julie Bowers, Executive Director of The N. Skunk River Greenbelt Association and consultant for Workin’ Bridges of Grinnell, Iowa, is seeking additional information about the historic old steel bridge that was built across the Arkansas River in Dodge City, Kansas in 1906. Two sections of the original bridge remain standing on the Mulberry Creek, southwest of Ford, Kansas, about twenty miles from its original location in the historic cow town of Dodge City. “We are looking for images or information about where the other trusses from the bridge ended up,” stated Bowers. “They could be included in the video that we are producing for the meeting.”
The two sections of the original 2nd Avenue truss bridge placed over Mulberry Creek on Valley Road, southwest of Ford, were opened in 1959. An inspection in May of 2012 revealed a broken pin and the bridge was closed by Kansas Department of Transportation.
On closer examination the pin turned out to be a replacement part, a hole in the center and a key way channel down the length point toward a vehicle’s axle being the source for the replacement part. Pretty clever for the day and it lasted nearly 60 years. This part can be replaced with a new pin, the work was estimated by BACH Steel in November 2012.
Wayne Keller’s quest to work with this bridge began three years ago when the Ford County Commissioners approached him with their desire to abandon the bridge and close the road across the Mulberry Creek. He agreed, if the Commissioners would provide access to his home from 123 Road. Some work was done on the minimum maintenance road but the commission decided that would be too expensive and stopped those efforts. After the broken pin was discovered, the Ford County Commission decided to replace the bridge with a culvert rather than improve 123 Road. It was at that time that Mr. Keller enlisted the help of Workin’ Bridges, a consulting firm for historic bridge restoration, who in turn did a site inspection and provided an estimate for pin repair.
On Monday, October 15, 2012, the Ford County Engineer submitted the plans for the low water crossing to the Army Corps of Engineers (ACE), prompting the Section 106 review. The Kansas State Historic Society determined that the bridge is eligible for the National Register and that replacement is considered an adverse effect in accordance with Section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act of 1966. They are currently consulting with the Army Corps of Engineers to avoid and minimize adverse effects to the bridge and KSHS recommends that the bridge be retained and repaired.
In the meantime, Keller had appealed the county’s plans for a low water crossing given the potential for flooding in the large Mulberry Creek watershed, evidenced by high water markers attached on the abutment. He appealed the commissions ruling through a court hearing to address the culvert under K.S.A. 19-223. In February of 2013 the court refused a hearing of the issues and dismissed the action.
The meeting in El Dorado on April 10, 2013 at the Army Corp of Engineers will be the next step. Workin’ Bridges is also developing alternative options for the spans in the event the outcome dictates moving them and any input from the citizens would be welcome for concepts for alternative uses. The spans are still in great shape. Perhaps they could become a performance stage utilized in downtown Dodge City, used on a trail system, or placed in a park but grant requirements dictate different paths,” stated Bowers, “They really they could work for generations to come right where they cross the Mulberry Creek. Listing on the National Register makes them eligible for historic preservation grants. The Kansas City Bridge Company has just over 100 bridges left across the country. Their work, if maintained, can last indefinitely, preserve the quality of life and provide a reasonable crossing for most vehicles.”
Julie Bowers may be contacted at Workin’ Bridges on Facebook, P.O. Box 332, Grinnell, Iowa 50112, 641-260-1262, email@example.com, or at www.skunkriverbridge.org. Workin’ Bridges is a part of The N. Skunk River Greenbelt Association, a 501(c)(3) corporation, dedicated to historic truss and greenbelt restoration.
Was wondering if you have anymore information on this bridge. Maybe when it was built, by whom, etc? Am trying to see if it has any historical significance to help possibly fund a painting project before it rusts away.
Thank you for your time.
IMO, the new bay bridge was “designed by politicians” and political considerations were more important than sensible engineering. The replacement span was originally supposed to be a "signature" cable stay and there were even other proposed alternatives that looked better than the actually-built new bridge, but the politicians, namely gov Arnold Schwarzenegger, "terminated" the signature cable-stay design for the cheap Chinese alternative. Heck, when Schwarzenegger was governor he actually visited the Chinese factory where components for the bridge were being built.
If you "connect the dots", you can see where the old railbed continued west where the road turns south, to cross the river.
One of the bridges that crossed Honey Creek failed under a locomotive the fateful night when Kate Shelley crawled across the Des Moines River bridge on this line to stop the next train.
Sorry, but I sharply disagree on all of Anon's points--not to be critical, but to simply point out that this could have been executed far better than it is with this project...first, as Nathan pointed out, one side of one deck section came loose--pretty darn good for an earthquake that did substantial damage to most newer structures! Two large pins (or bolts) sheared off; that's it. No structural damage to the superstructure at all. I predict that this will be a huge issue with the cable support bolts on the new slab, since new bolts have already broken on it, and it's not even open yet. They're quick to blame US bolts, I've noticed, BTW...New bridges are probably mostly bad architecture, but the old bridges that we on this site favor are straight-up civil engineering--every member not only looks good, but serves a critical structural purpose. New bridges cannot make that claim. As for the steel comment, if the US couldn't produce the steel for one lousy bridge project, then we'd be in serious trouble...issue is, we couldnt match China's low prices--and refused to match their ultra-low quality. If Caltran want to pay cruddy steel prices, then they'll get cruddy China steel. I see what is constantly happening to China's new bridges in their own country--collapse after collapse; shoddy workmanship and design, and shoddy material. Sorry, a "Made in China" MOB is something that I will never understand and refuse to support. Ok, I'm done.
They are currently behind the Kawanis fairground, right by the Griffin airport, and the driving range/second hole of the Griffin City Park golf course. If you turn at the fairgrounds, there is a dirt road that keeps ongoing--follow it, and the bridge parts are right before the woods--just a month ago my children and I explored them.
I goofed on the last post and didn't get the pictures sent correctly. Here they are circa 1925'
Looks likes big trucks want a new bridge here. This is a bridge that should be repaired and retained in place.
If the big industry boys want new bridges for their own self serving interests, perhaps they should start investing in their own roads.
We are getting involved with this suspension bridge. The reports show good overall except for superstructure. What needs to be restored to get those numbers up.
Living on solid ground here in Michigan I don't claim to be an expert on seismic issues relating to bridge preservation. Its not an area I specialize in. One of the many things I don't understand is why the lacing and lattice and rivets was seen as such a problem with this bridge, especially when many other bridges in the area including Golden Gate Bridge, retain these elements. Furthermore, while I don't dispute that the bridge as-built may be a risk with earthquakes, the section that collapsed in the previous earthquake was just a deck section. While serious, this seemed to me to be more a problem with the deck sections, not with the overall truss itself which was not damaged.
1965 Boone West, IA topo shows old RR bed:
1914 Boone, IA 15' shows Chicago and Northwestern:
I don't understand the hatred on this site towards the replacement project. The old bridge is not safe. It will collapse in a major earthquake - it almost did in 1989, and studies show that there is a 70% chance of an earthquake large enough to destroy the bridge in the next 30 years.
The only alternative to replacement is a major retrofit which would include the replacement of almost every single member, just like the suspension span. ALL the lacing would be removed and replaced with plate girders or box beams. ALL the rivets would be removed and replaced with bolts. The appearance would be radically altered and little historic material would survive.
Bridges are architecture - which according to our Roman friend Vitruvius must be solid, useful, and beautiful. The old bridge doesn't hold up here. I am all for historic preservation when it is possible to create safe, useful, and attractive architecture out of existing structures but it simply isn't possible in this case.
On the Chinese steel point: American companies were welcome to bid. None of them did. ALL of the bids came from overseas. That may say something about our economy, but it's not the bridge designer's fault that the US isn't capable of producing the needed materials.
Things could be much worse: the people of San Francisco rejected a viaduct approach which was a two mile long ugly concrete bridge for a "signature span". The self-anchored suspension bridge, while not what I consider optimal, is at leas an interesting technology and much better than what could have happened.
If this was built 1920, then it is a railroad bridge. The railroad abandoned the line through here in 1931. The bridge contains a 13 foot wide deck, a size comparable to other railroad pony trusses.
Almost sure it is a former RR bridge too. Either that or it was imported from elsewhere.
I stopped by here the other day and looks like they might have did a road alignment sometime. the bridge in the pictures looks to be located several hundred feet south of the bridge now used today. the paved and gaurdrails are still standing on it on the east end and is very overgrown with trees, the westend has been leveled and now has houses built there.
next time will have my camera to take some pics
I want to see this giant someday, along with the Cairo bridges and the Caruthersville Bridge. I will also see the merging of the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers, and there is a old bridge at Metroplis, IL that sounds very interesting. I will also go to Lamberts Restaurant at Sikeston and eat like a pig there!!!!!!!I would guess it would take a earthquake of 9 or more on the Richter scale to knock the Thebes bridge down.
Yes...Glen is correct that this is a duplicate listing that I will send a request to remove.
The bridge page can be found here and I did incorporate the NBI data into it.
I agree with Robert. The clue is the end of the span. And while Jason took some good pictures, none are titled or commented so I'll refer to John Marvig's photos.
"Second pier from west" and "Span" clearly show the arc is not at the end. In other words, the high strength, wide part of the web is above the bents. This is a characteristic of a cantilvered truss.
So I'm changing the design field.
Sounds like the new bridge might be "fracture critical".
I started to change the map position and road name for this bridge, but then reverted it to what was originally posted.
yes, it appears that the data for the other bridge may have been used to create this entry. This is a RR overpass and not a road bridge, therefore probably has no NBI entry.
thats the south avery creek bridge southwest of chillicothe in wapello county on 200th avenue in the photo
You and John Prine:
Not only will this project result in the demolition of half of one of the most significant built structures in the history of the United States, the replacement bridge is a piece of junk. Like buying a bridge from the bargain bin at Walmart.
I would classify this one as a cantilver deck truss.
Repair and replace by another company please!
This pisses me off.
Wow, if the bolts are so important and SO hard to reach after other segments have been installed around them, WHY wouldn't they do a quality audit BEFORE they install them?
I Grew Up As A Teenager In Osgood, IN Just West Of This And It Was A Right Of Passage To Walk Across This, And In Some Places Whole Wooden Cross Ties Where Gone And You Had To Jump Over The Span... Some Friends Have Even Been Caught In The Middle And Had To Ride It Out Laying Down On The Service Platforms On The Sides... They Turned A Little White Afterwards...
This Is Not Right...
The RR Is Over The Finks Rd. In This Area This Is A Double Listing For The BH 44031 Bridge...
One Of The Two Bridges In The Area I Would Want My Ashes Spread From...
Where I Want My Friends To Spread My Ashes...
It could take 7 years and cost $240 million to tear down the old Bay bridge cantilever span after the new replacement span is opened to traffic this fall.
And the new replacement span is having problems too since 30 of the 288 giant bolts holding together the new bridge span have snapped.
I sure like the words "the bridge is open again". *grin*
Those are pretty little photos. Do you have larger ones? And I find that overcast days are the best for getting photos of the details. :)
Got some bad news - the village is doing some culvert work in this area and the one closest to the house was removed last week and the other one is due to be removed in a few days.
this bridge is now back open and posted with a 3 ton weight limit! went there about 3 days ago and drove across it. it is a beautiful bridge that i have always wanted to see and was so glad to see that white county had rehabilatated it and it was back open, i will attach some pictures but it was very cloudy so there not that pretty but the bridge is there is full beauty!
I'm in the process of digitizing all my fathers old negatives and just finished all the ones from Ellaville when he built the bridge there in 1925 or so. Here are a few to show you how it looked being built.
This bridge was lost in 1989. The plaque that is shown in one of the photos was recovered and was archived at the Owyhee County Museum in Murphy.
A 1000 foot freighter passes through the Michigan Street and Oregon Street bridges.
A 1000 foot freighter passes through the Michigan Street and Oregon Street bridges.
When was this bridge removed and was it replaced by the bridge that is currently in Kilbourne, at the same location. or was the bridge that was lost further South on Alum Creek?
Nathan, that is awesome. Thanks for the input.
If anyone hasn't perused Nathan's site at historicbridges you really should. He goes much further with documenting bridges than is done here on bridgehunter with examples of the connections, history and opinions!
We have asked and been given permission to use his photographs before, especially for our bowstring and Gilliece Bowstring when it was bad weather for getting close-ups. In fact Nels did a lot of work with the Gilliece bridge from those photos and we appreciate his work very much.
The Creamery Bridge in Osawatomie, Kansas has always been a favorite of mine. Who doesn't like a triple span Marsh arch next to a battlefield?