Link goes to a "Session Timeout"
Neat historic picture with a steam engine crossing and a now lost bridge upstream - first bridge's piers (Whipple Deck Truss) remain just upstream:
If you look at the far right side of the first picture and about 1/4 down from the top there is another bridge. At one time this bridge carried Logan Avenue across the Big 4 tracks. It is no longer there and there is a crossing instead. This picture is taken generally west looking east and has the bridge. The other three pictures do not include it. I know of no other picture of this bridge.
Hi, just googled the name and found the bridge.
well the name is certainly of EU origion. But does anybody know, by whom, when, why it was named after one of our ancesters?
Would be glad to know more about it.
Thanks for the direction to the article “Presidential Elections and Historic Bridge Preservation and your website. This is a great article and provides awesome responses and solutions. I support the position that bridge “age” is not a problem, if an old bridge is properly maintained in good condition it can still be safe and functional. In fact this beautiful and magnificent Bridge is a testament to that belief. In my history review an analysis on this bridge and supportive statements made in the U.S. Coast Guard, Bridge Administration Division Abstract, it appears that the original swing bridge was constructed in 1786 and replaced a ferry boat that ran from La Crescent to Minneapolis.
However, this bridge currently displays enhancement needs and ongoing attention. One of my intentions with this bridge is to validate the current structural analysis status, existing steel integrity issues, concrete structural foundation and the future identified enhancement projects for the La Crescent Rail Bridge. Obtaining this information as well as the ongoing routine maintenance efforts is difficult (An Act of God). This request for information has also been a challenge for others as displayed in the numerous articles reported in various counties and states throughout the country.
I hope the grassroots efforts initiated in Lacrosse and La Crescent can address these challenges and create an open communication process and an avenue to obtain necessary information.
Found another picture:
Herd about this bridge when I was a little boy. Was wondering if there where any pictures of it. If so where could they be found.
Sincerly ray schuerer
Railroad truss bridges rarely have widespread section loss or pack rust compared to highway bridges... however I believe fatigue issues are a possible concern.
The swiftest way to resolve any problems with the bridge in my opinion would be to repair the existing historic bridge in a way that does not diminish the historic elements of the bridge. Any proposal to replace the swing span, which I assume is eligible for the National Register of Historic Places would trigger a Section 106 Review to consider all feasible and prudent alternatives to the adverse effect of demolition of this historic resource. Any adverse effect tt is found not feasible and prudent to avoid would also require mitigative measures and a memorandum of agreement, all of this developed in cooperation with a lead federal agency (such as the coast guard) the state historic preservation office, and consulting parties.
John thanks again for your shared knowledge and response.
I recently initiated communications and efforts for my clarification requests on the La Crescent Swing Bridge and the La Crescent road bridge to: local officials, Minnesota House/Senate representatives and La Crescent representatives since the beginning of mid July to today.
So far I am very pleased and encouraged with the receptiveness, responses and feedback. Below I have provided a small baseline of just some of the individuals involved in this communication process.
Sen. Baldwin- Wis.
Minnesota Senate/House Representatives
Sen. Amy Klobuchar - Mn.
Sen. Jeremy Miller - Mn.
Sen. Al Franken - Mn.
Rep. Tim Walz - Mn.
Rep. Greg Davids - Mn
La Crescent, Minnesota City Representatives:
M. Poellinger - La Crescent Mayor
S. Wetterlin - City of La Crescent
B. Waller - City of La Crescent
Houston Count Historical Society
Minnesota Department of Transportation
Recently I received the 2015 Bridge LB4586 Inspection Report, which addresses the bridge over the road way in La Crescent.
I fish by this bridge all the time. You can see a plaque that says 1913 on one of the girders. Has withstood many floods.
I had a great uncle who died working on the replacement bridge. According to my father, he fell off and bashed his head on some rocks below. So much for worker safety back in the good ole days.
It's still there. I think you can drive across it.
This bridge now has stop lights at both ends due to weight concerns.
As a senior in high school with my engineering school yet to come, I can provide some elementary understandings of the condition it is in. The knowledge I have gained is from years of doing this. Visually, it does have issues. As you mentioned spalling on substructures is a sign of deterioration, however is also easily fixed. Regarding the steel, I saw no signs of advanced corrosion or pack rust; although small microscopic fractures may still exist.
Operationally, both the railroad and coast guard hate this bridge. The single track design is an extreme bottleneck for the railroad; while the narrow channel is a pain for navigation.
If you're concerned about the bridge, bring it to your local officials. Because this bridge is significant, they may have inspection records. If you do find these, please post them here. I would be curious to see them.
In addition, to those with an engineering background, please correct me on any information I am incorrect on. It's the best learning method :-)
John thanks so much for sharing your bridge knowledge and taking the time to respond to my response.
As the bridge is in operational processes on a day to day basis I hold a different view on its existing condition until I can review a current analysis report on the rail bridge over the river. As you indicated in your prior response the bridge will be fine if the bridge is receiving routine maintenance and attention.
In my review I believe that there are several "Structural Unit Elements" that require attention and enhancements. One can visibly see spalled and deteriorated concrete and cracks on the structural bridge support pillars. It would be important for me to view a structural analysis report that addresses steel integrity issues, concrete structural foundation and the visible enhancement needs of this Bridge.
My attempts and efforts are to obtain such information and to also clarify several areas identified that need additional clarification and follow-up in the very valid but aged "Alteration of the Canadian Pacific Railway Drawbridge Over the Upper Mississippi River, La Crosse, Wisconsin Under the Provisions of Truman-Hobbs Act" I agree with your analysis on this abstract as well.
Again Thank You
Paul E. Mudgett Memorial bridge reopened in middle September 2015 after $3 million in repairs. The southbound bridge at this location is named the "Nello J Barsanti Memorial Bridge".
Yeah, it allowed for large trucks to pass beneath, but thereby restricted traffic to one lane while they (slowly) passed through. Also, it was anyone's guess if those traveling in the opposite direction would know the rules of driving would yield. Given the number of people who drive 30-40 on this 55mph stretch of road, that's quite the assumption for drivers in this area. Glad it's gone.
Want to see the stones? Walk on the Rail Trail--they are nice decoration.
Photos taken Sept. 16th 2015.
There is visible damage to the concrete on the south-east end of the bridge where it sits on the abutment, and to the concrete railings on that end. Otherwise it seems to be in great condition.
I'm not exactly sure where this bridge falls for priority. It's a critical line for oil and freight to and from Chicago. However, it depends on who's paying for the replacement (and it probably won't be the railroad). If it's paid for by the coast guard (who is the only ones who want it replaced, due to the navigation channel), it may be a while. It's behind Clinton, Iowa and likely Dubque, Iowa for replacement due to narrow navigation channels. However, the railroad intends to double track the bridges here and further up the river at Hastings within the next few decades, so it may happen then..
Yeah...It looks pretty solid to me John! I hope they go with the plan that retains the swing span while adding a new lift span.
Good information. Thanks for that response. It appear that you have some substantive information referencing this rail bridge. Do you have a list or action plan that addresses the priority of bridges that require more needed enhancements. I would like to see where this bridge falls into receiving attention as far as identified date(s)as compared to the rail bridges that are of higher focus of need and that are higher up on this list.
I have completed a review of the Abstract of the bridge "Over the Upper Mississippi River, La Crosse, Wisconsin Under the Provisions of Truman-Hobbs Act", that you provided in a pervious comment. Do you have any knowledge or documents relating to the follow-up activities or"Action Plan" identified, since the development of this aged report. Thanks
The bridge is actually sound, and in good condition. It won't fall down as long as it receives maintenance. It's not the highest priority though, as it isn't falling apart or in critical condition.
What is the "Action Plan" developed to change and address this Rail Bridge. Is the established time period to wait until the Rail Bridge falls down. This proposed replacement plan has been established for over 10+ years!!!!
Correction: The late Carl Allen, Edgar's brother, led construction of this bridge.
The bridge in 1929, very shortly after construction, and before the stone walls were constructed: http://cdm.sos.mo.gov/cdm/ref/collection/msaphotos/id/483
This bridge may have been destroyed by Butte Fire! Info needed!
This bridge is mentioned and shown in Arthur Hayden's book on rigid frame bridges. See attached.
Yup... Momentary brain-fart on my behalf.
I'll have the Boss-man fix it!
I'm pretty sure that bridge was never part of US 50.
Dupe? (bridgehunter.com/in/fountain/snoddy-mill/ or BH 68239)
I agree ANON... It's a mangled mess! Not sure why it made the "Select" list...But then Hell, there were some really nice spans that got left off of it. That's what happens when you pay way too much money to an out-of-state firm for a very mediocre assessment!
This will now become a nice bridge to fish from
"Rough" is being nice. Looks like it's been used as a pinball machine for farm machinery. Clay County obviously doesn't care about their bridges. It will be interesting to see what happens with the Eel River bridge at Bowling Green.
This Bridge is in an absolutely beautiful setting but is unfortunately a constant target for graffiti and vandalism. As far as the paint theme goes... It may have been appropriate then but looks kinda silly now. When the county painted these bridges in the 70's they removed some really nice ornamental portal decorations that were never replaced.
This article states that Hauser Bridge is from the same original location. This seems unlikely, as Hauser is a Bailey Bridge built in the late 40s and this was probably 1870s or 1880s. John Charles Stutz says that Geysers Road Bridge is from the same project, and that makes sense. I don't know where the pre-1984 South Fork Gualala River Bridge was - is this around 3.4mi by road West, also on Stewarts Point Skaggs Springs Road?
Missouri's State Highway project history maps are available on-line (http://www.modot.org/business/contractor_resources/ProjectHi...) with these maps you can trace old highway alignments and determine when bridges were constructed and bypassed.
Ruth, these bridges were all painted in the red, white and blue scheme back in the 70's when the whole country was Bicentennial happy. I think it's just a tradition at this point more than anything.
location: 43.565152, -91.283913
Private covered bridge 2.6 miles south of Reno, Minnesota over a drainage ditch.
It would be awesome if you could post them on here for us George!
My only thought would be that this was some sort of early bridge numbering system either used by the county, or possibly by the state if this was on one of their old routes.
Beyond that your guess is as good as mine Clark! :-)
Not a big surprise Mike. It is listed as "Select", but is in really rough condition.
rock piles on either end, road closed sign stuck into pavement. I believe that this bridge may stay intact. (Hope So)
I'm still looking for comments from anyone who has seen number plates like the ones on this bridge.
I was trying to come across information on this bridge in Houston county south east Minnesota, found it while looking for trout streams.
This bridge was built about 1915. We have pictures of it under construction.
This bridge is slated for replacement and demolition.
According to 1992 NBI, the previous bridge here was a 1917 Concrete through arch (ie a historic rainbow arch bridge) so I would assume this modern steel arch (a non-traditional bridge type for such a small stream) was some form of mitigation for demolition of the historic rainbow arch.
good day, My name is Ricardo, and i wanted to know if anyone has any info about this bridge, is not in USA, is near the border, in Sabinas, Coahuila. But is made by the American bridge CO, of new york in 1897. this brige is part of the history of my country and city, a few meters ahead there is the old station, that is where Pancho Villa surrender.
The bridge has seen a lot of floods, big ones that have take down newer structures. the last flood en in 2001, this was our only way to get supplies in the city.
So im looking for all the info i can about it, even if its basic stuff like, what kind of bridge is, style, or whatever.
I send an Email to the american bridge Co, but i dont think ill have an answer.
This bridge has been replaced, somewhere around the end of 2014 I believe. It should be marked as 'lost'.
The image Jane provided is not a half truss railroad bridge. I wonder if that bridge is the original bridge that crossed the river north of this bridge on Low Bridge Road.
I must say this bridge gave me the creeps and this was early September I was going across it and it seems so rickety.
The second picture is of the same bridge. I have crossed this bridge numerous times and know it by heart.
I was searching for property on Google earth when I stumbled across this after seeing a former alignment of US 50 highway. Bridge looks like its been abandoned for many years, 1996 is the furthest back for Google and it has no road grade visible even then. Just wanted to add it, I'm sure someone else can fill in the more accurate details but I'm very certain it carried 50 Hwy in a very early alignment.
I have a good photo of this bridge before it was torn down. We used to drive over this bridge every time we went to my great-grandparents' home between Caroleen and Ellenboro, NC
Robert,thank you for your information on the subject of abandoned right of ways and ownership issues concerning the easements.I just saw your article on this subject.
The only record of any Kishwaukee River Bridge at Belvidere I have found was listed in an Annual Report of the Chicago & North Western Railway from a fiscal year ending 1877. It gives a record that a two span iron bridge over the Kishwaukee River at Belvidere was rebuilt in 1877, and the bridge was on the Wisconsin Division (the line from Belvidere to Beloit). Would anybody be willing to say the bridge dates to this time? The bridge is clearly iron, as it does not see signs of corrosion typical in steel.
Dear Mrs. Stewart,
I have added your great grandfather's name (Isaac "Ike" Stewart) as per the info you gave in the comments section.
Closed until further notice:
Thanks art and john for the information.I guess the best way is always to ask before crossing private property or seeing ownership papers if possible when dealing with abandoned right of ways.This information I can use when looking at abandoned bridges.Thanks again guys.
This bridge has since been torn down.
I think you will be interested in the builder of this bridge. His name was Isaac "Ike" Stewart. My Aunt, Geneve Stewart King, who has lived most of her life near Old River Rd, in Louisville told me the story of the building of Goose Creek Bridge. She said, Ike Stewart her grandfather built the bridge because he needed a way to get across the creek. Other ways over the creek were to long, so he took it upon himself to build the bridge.
The Goose Creek Bridge was built before the 1900's. Isaac Stewart, was buried in Utica, however his grave was uprooted in the great Mississippi Flood and the casket never found. There is no marker where he was laid to rest and only two of his children remain in the cemetery. The two who remain are John Dempsey Stewart and Turner Stewart.
My Aunt, is still living at the age of 91. She is as sharp as a tack and remembers how Louisville looked long ago. She is the daughter of John Dempsey Stewart and Caroline Elizabeth Miller Stewart.
I am the Great Granddaughter of Isaac "Ike" Stewart and the Granddaughter of John Dempsey Stewart. I hope this helps in your research.
I hadn't noticed this beauty before... Not sure how safe it is in Tennessee!
I've found if you ask, you'll normally get permission. And half the time, you meet someone who finds what you're doing extremely interesting and unique and wants to know more about the structure. In Minnesota, I've been told that a sign needs to be signed or you need to be verbally asked to leave before someone can push it as a legal issue. However, normally
I just try to be a bigger person and ask permission.
Of course, if a nearby landowner really tries to force the issue, just ask to see the legal paperwork transferring the bridge and right of way from the county to the landowner.
My family owns land and we had trespassing problems years ago. Thus, I am a firm believer in private property rights. That being said, a landowner cannot prevent you from using a public right of way that just happens to pass through or adjacent to his or her property.
Thanks art for your information regarding this.I was asking because along with bridges easements can I guess be privately owned and trespassing be enforced.I mean it would stink to go see a bridge and not be able to because someone owns it and has it posted.
Robert... if I am looking at the photos right, it appears that for now the highway span is still standing... which is what it looked like when I visited a year ago. Not sure if you or anyone else reading this knows that the original bridge was two parallel bascules one for highway one for railway. The replacement process was to remove the railway half of the bridge, build the new bridge, then demolish the highway half. People reading this might be interested in my page for the historic bridge http://historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowser=br... its also worth noting that in Canada this type of bridge (Strauss heel-trunnion) is far more rare than in the United States (not that they are common here)... so the loss of heritage due to demolition of this bridge is far greater in Canada than it would have been in the USA.
Found information from the Milwaukee Road Archives. The bridge was indeed relocated from a swing bridge in Milwaukee, however the original date of construction is unknown
Found on the Intertubes.
Sure looks like bridge is gone, per satellite view.
To my knowledge, this depends on how the language for the easement is drafted, especially upon abandonment.
I forgot to mention when talking about right of ways I mean abandoned right of ways.
I would like to know if owners of right of ways own everything that could be on that right of way including rail,bridges and equipment?I wanted to put this comment on www.abandonedrails.com but they do not have a forum page.Any information would be helpful and greatly appreciated.
Bridge to close September 24 http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Local/2015/09/15/Carter-Coun...
Are we sure this was a RR bridge? A news article that says this bridge may be reused for a trail (they are applying for a 1 million dollar grant, which I am not sure would be enough to reopen this bridge considering its tall and the approaches are gone) also the article says its a waterline bridge:
“This was an old bridge that the water district used to actually take water from Covington over to Wilder that has been abandoned,” Gardner said.
The bridge was built decades ago to hold a water line between Wilder and Covington, said Ron Lovan, president of the Northern Kentucky Water District. The water line hasn’t been used since the 1970s, he said. Approaches were taken out on both sides of the bridge after children were found to be using it to hang out and jump into the river, he said.
At one time this structure had Phoenix columns incorporated into it, but I believe the railroad replaced them.
I think you have the wrong bridge. This one is long gone. The one you're probably thinking of is the US 40 (Big) Blue River Bridge being moved to cross the Little Blue--and yes, great news.
Louisiana is right there with the state of Maine for a completely non-existant preservation track record, and a complete unwillingness to discuss preservation, all fueled by misinformation about feasibility and poor assessments of historic significance. Both states are essentially a "lost cause" when it comes to preservation and unless major change occurs, both states will eventually have no historic bridges of any kind.
Nice information, Dale.
Can you access the information for the rest of this line south to Grandview?
Just discovered that there is this amazing 'other trestle' in Southern Indiana. Got a couple of decent shots of it.
How stupid. All of the reasons that they cited for demolishing this bridge are unacceptable. All of the reasons are related to functional obsolescence, not structural deficiency. This would have made a perfect bicycle & pedestrian bridge with minimal effort, but obviously the powers that be thought otherwise...
According to Frisco Bridge Records this was bridge #11.3. Going north to south the bridge consisted of the following:
1.) 6 panel timber pile approach, length 82', max ht. 20'
2.) Thru Plate Girder, length 65', max ht. 33'
3.) 4 panel timber pile approach, length 47, max. ht. 20'
Bridge was retired in 1967 when Frisco obtained trackage rights on the adjacent Missouri Pacific line.
the Ok Allen bridge will be demolished on Saturday September 19 2015
GREAT NEWS! Jackson County still has this bridge, and it has just been announced that it has been purchased to be used at a dog park in South Kansas City as a bicycle and pedestrian bridge.
Kansas City, Clinton and Southern Railway (The Leaky Roof)line between Olathe, KS and Belton, MO ran under this bridge too.
Its too bad that only "informal discussions" were had and that a company like Bach Steel was not contacted for a quote to fabricate and deliver replica riveted bottom chord sections. While I cannot guarantee it would have been a competitive cost, it would have been nice to have seen them seek a quote for a replica.
On 15 Sep there was a news conference announcing the official beginning of the reuse of this bridge. The first steel was loaded and transported to the new location.
Informal discussion suggests the lower chords are too corroded to save and will be replaced with a modern rolled section. Stringers will not be reused since the deck will be designed to carry much lighter traffic. Plates will be bolted over the torch cuts on the arches.
This bridge is only able to be preserved because the costs were kept low enough to compete with a MOB. Although not really a preservation like that of Red Bridge (http://bridgehunter.com/mo/jackson/red/), the reuse of the pieces will be enough to allow people to see and get close to the main elements of the bridge as they never could when driving past.
This bridge has been replaced with a new bridge in 2015. The new, much wider, bridge has 3 lanes of traffic in each direction and a curb divider down the middle.
This bridge has recently had its inspection report blocked from public view by both the Iowa and Illinois DOT's citing security concerns, I heard something about hairline cracks and mentions of the bridge collapse in Minnesota so I'd avoid this bridge for awhile, especially since lane closures has traffic backed up in both directions frequently.
I am not seeing a way to search the forum comments. Am I missing search vehicle for the forum? If there is not a search function for the forum does anyone remember a bridge in NC the is going to be torn down in 2016. Possibly a bascule?
Thanks anonymous for the reply and information concerning this bridge.This looks like a bridge that would be hard to remove according to the pictures.I didn't know the reading railroad did what you did meaning the right of ways being sold.I do have a question concerning the right of ways.Does whoever buys the right of way own any rail,bridges and or equipment on that right of way?I read a lot about people owning the right of ways as private properties.Let me know if this bridge and or rail line is sold privately.Thanks.
These old wood-decked Pratts have a special appeal for me. Also I agree that this bridge is older than 1930.
There have been SIX bridges crossing the IL River at Pekin in this order:
1. Wagon Bridge (no remnants whatsoever left)
2. P&PU Railroad Bridge (stone structure directly next to small bridge going to Pekin Boat Club Island is only remaining evidence of this first RR bridge..it is in great condition considering P&PU removed that bridge before 1900. It currently supports the Pekin Boat Club sign)
3. Illinois Terminal Railroad swing bridge (abutment from bridge remains under current Pekin Bridge) Bridge removed in 1975
4. Pekin Lift Bridge 1929 (replaced in 1980, no remnants whatsoever left)
5. Current Pekin Bridge Shade-Lohman
6. Vertical-Lift bridge (Currently Untion Pacific Railroad) 3-miles south of all other bridges.
Still looks the same as Janis saw in 2013. I laughed at the attempt to replicate the missing original endposts. Whoever did it assumed (incorrectly) that the top was the same size as the bottom. In reality the original cast iron posts tapered very slightly. The result of this mistake was that a crude "fix" apparently was made by cutting the top slightly with a torch to make it fit.
It is still there. Correct spelling is Chillisquaque. Its name most likely comes from the Shawnee word chilisuagi, meaning "place of the snow-birds". There was a push for removal several years ago, so at to avoid a lengthy detour for over-size machinery. A local state representative pursued money to remove it, but to no avail. I will have to go over some day and check the date, I believe about 1910 this bridge and viaduct were constructed. It replaced a covered bridge and wooden viaduct. I have some pictures of the old bridge and construction of the current one. There currently are no plans for a Rails to Trails, as the Reading sold most of their right-of-ways and they are mostly privately owned. There is a section of this line close to Danville, Pa, which is a trail and includes a bridge which is open for fishing.
Supposedly, there is a story floating around about this bridge. When it was first built over the lake, apparently a female driver and her car went over the side of the bridge. Apparently, the driver was found weeks later, but no car. When the prep work for the new bridge was done, the car was finally found.
It would be a miracle if they could whip up enough support to save it.