In my novice opinion, this is not a King. Every King bowstring I have seen has the one distinctive feature of the box beam that forms the arch. The vertical elements extend beyond the horizontal elements of the box, like an H with a hole in the middle.
However, based on Nathan's posts, I can't say who the builder is.
I have visited this area since 1990. The bridge looks much the same but has shown some aging. Any idea what year it was built?
While WIBCo did use Phoenix columns, the bridge you linked to doesn't have Phoenix columns. They are proprietary to WIBCo based on their 1873 patent.
Thanks Nathan. I see that same vertical. Is that the only example? Would work well with the City. We now have an FTP site with more pictures of the damage caused by the concrete deck. They left it in place for stability.
Can we change the name of the Builder?
That is one crazy thing about bridge companies - there is always an exception to almost every rule.
Occasionally, WIBC used Phoenix columns as well.
The "sidewalks" on this bridge may not be original to the bridge. They look new and galvanized. In either case, whether original or not, they were likely constructed with the intent to provide maintenance access, not for public use. Many railroad bridges have walkways, but in most cases I am aware of the purpose of these is for maintenance, not public.
However, the lack of a No Trespassing sign is in my opinion a serious problem. How is someone supposed to know that the bridge is not open to the public, especially with how the sidewalks on the bridge connect to the public sidewalks on the road? In a sense, there is nothing on this bridge distinguishing it from the Cherry Avenue bridge in Chicago, which also carries trains, but is legally open to the public for pedestrians: http://www.historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowse...
That said, I think it is ridiculous that someone would go to jail for walking on the bridge. The person is not a threat to society, and it is stupid to ruin a person's life, fill up our crowded prison system, and waste tax dollars on something so dumb.
We'd like to know if any of you have any information regarding the unusual railroad bridge crossing the North Branch of the Chicago River at Dempster St. and Lincoln Avenue in Morton Grove.
It is unusual because it looks like it was expressly designed to accommodate pedestrians on both sides. We'd like to know more about it and if in fact it was so designed.
The bridge "connects" two halves of the Cook County Forest Preserve on each side of the river. Many people use it as a shortcut between Dempster St. and Lincoln; we know of someone who received a trespassing citation from METRA police for standing on the pedestrian walkway of the bridge taking a photo of the river. This person could go to jail for several months for this "violation".
We'd like to know if the bridge was designed and built to facilitate pedestrian traffic; if it was, the case against this person will almost certainly fail in court.
You can see the bridge in Google Maps Street View and see how the pedestrian walkway of the bridge is basically incorporated into the sidewalk on Dempster; it does not have any "No Trespassing" signs on it.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Independent Workers Party of Chicago
Also, Robert, Wrought Iron Bridge Company did not always use the Keystone columns for their bowstrings... although surviving examples are almost nonexistant today, their company catalog did advertise so-called "Plate and Channel" bridges (as opposed to the column bridges)... see this page http://www.historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowse...
First off, I want to thank Julie / Workin Bridges for making a visit to this bridge and communicating with the city.
I have no proof, as no other bridge looks like this bridge exactly, but I strongly support the theory the Historic American Engineering Record that the bridge was built by the Milwaukee Bridge and Iron Works. Bowstrings were built during that time of patents and experimentation, and thus each builder's bowstring is usually very distinctive. Thus, I feel that this is not a King or Wrought Iron Bridge Company bridge because the top chord connections on this bridge have a traditional pin, not the more unusual threaded rod/nut connections that King and WIBC used and also because the verticals differ from King and WIBC bowstrings. This bowstring's unusual verticals due to their odd built-up arrangement with corrugation or ribbon-lacing. Despite these unusual details, we can look to another 1870s Bridge that does have some verticals with this same detail: http://bridgehunter.com/wi/racine/bieneman/ and sure enough that bridge was a Milwaukee product. Moreover, the geographic location of the bridge lends plausibility to the Milwaukee theory.
Whatever the case, this is an exceedingly rare bridge both in Wisconsin and nationwide. Moreover, assuming Milwaukee did build the bridge, its significance cannot be understated. It would likely be the last bowstring remaining built by this company... and a significant, early example of a bridge in Wisconsin built by a noteworthy bridge builder.
I think very early King as well Robert. Anybody else?
I used to ride my bicycle to this bridge as a kid (over 40 years ago). The route my friend and I would take was about 55 miles, each way. Now, I ride my motorcycle to the bridge. It has also become a favorite of my daughter.
I don't know the builder for certain, but my initial guess is the King Iron Bridge Co. I really doubt it is a Wrought Iron Bridge Co. structure because they would have probably used Keystone columns.
Thanks for letting us know. Sad news, but at least we can update the website.
Nels Raynor and Nathan Holth encouraged me to jump into Wisconsin last week when I was in Minnesota after the Waterford pour. I thought we could get there before construction but I was late. I spoke with several parks folks and with the local reporter and left messages with the city manager regarding the historic level of exceptional for preserving this bowstring.
It has extensive section loss below the concrete but with photos, Nels was able to come up with a restoration cost. The city manager now knows how historic the bridge is and that it can come in for restoration far below a replacement cost.
It's a lovely example and I know what I am thinking but help me with a builder here. Who do you think and why do you think that? Early 1870, close to the iron belt.
Actually, there is a lot of discussion about preservation options in Berks County and in Pennsylvania. So keep tuned, another meeting Monday. Site visits are so valuable, that's what Workin' Bridges does, with Nels Raynor, Jim Schiffer, Davis Construction, local contractors and crane operators. We find out real costs so that real decisions can be made.
Lead paint, battery casing containment may lead yet to preservation on site and in-kind. Just do the steps in order. We have the scope for moving and for leaving in place. Nels inspected the bridge in early May, met with locals and spearheaded applicable bids which we have put into a package for delivery on Monday.
Better decisions through good information. Here are a few of the photos that Nels took.
got some bad news on this bridge.according to the reading eagle newspaper,either preservationists come up with enough money to disassemble this bridge and transport it to Alabama where it will be reassembled as part of a trail or it will be torn down.the clock is ticking.will let you know if I hear anything in the future.
being that I live near this bridge and read the reading eagle newspaper I hate to tell everyone that the berne bridge as of this date is no more.i did see a picture in the local newspaper which showed only the structure.in other words kiss this bridge goodbye forever.
Historically, some Kansans and Missourians have worked together about as well as Spartans and Athenians.
If a Kansan and a Missourian disagree on something, you can automatically attribute it to Bleeding Kansas or the Civil War.
Well, it seems history is somewhat repeating itself. Seems engineering firms from Kansas still like to mess with Benton County concerning this bridge.
When it was being built back in the 1920's, the company contracted to put up the steel towers, also out of Kansas, tried to put up the west tower without first going down to the bedrock. If I've got the story right, the Benton County sheriff had to force the execs of the engineering and contracted company to give up the prints. . . .at gunpoint.
'Ol Joe Dice got to finish the job. . . .
Shoulda gave Dice the job first anyway!
Interesting. Were they attempting to daylight it right before the Pacific extension was abandoned?
There is no way this bridge was built in 1884. Vertical lifts of this style were not really built before 1894. I am thinking this bridge was actually replaced in the 1950s, since someone noted that date on this page.
This bridge has been closed. I was asked and know nothing. If its here let me know. I couldn't find it. I was told it is owned by the railroad. Love the hympback and big rivets.
Looks like a former railroad bridge re-purposed for vehicular traffic.
A nice blog with lots of pictures about the bridge:
I think posting the link might help...
Most of the links with pictures are dead in the other posts are dead. Here is a large set of pictures that are still viewable. Can someone bring the pictures across to this website while the link still works?
Part of the northbound span has been demolished:
And Craig, I can sure tell you, there's NO beauty in new concrete. The new bridge is horribly ugly, and I would be very surprised if this new bridge is not replaced in 50 years or less, knowing the cheap materials and workmanship that go into most of these new bridges. Glad you like it, but I hate it.
I would definitely like to see them. Being as I live only 30 miles from downtown Milwaukee, this one would be really easy for me to get to.
If you are ever over in New York State, visit the Erie Canal bridges. Same type of lift, but much older and much cooler. Example: http://www.historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowse...
there is someone that know there was a witnessed fatality of a crew of men in the construction of the bridge. It is a known among the people. Don't know how many men died. the scaffolding collapsed and the men fell into the pillar as it was being filled with concrete. could have been 2-16 who knows the number but it really happen. only old timers know anything of it.
But Obamacare won't cover it unless it's on welfare...
Wow! Very different--and very cool! Color me surprised; I stand corrected! I'll definitely have to go one of these days and take a look at it for myself.
B 1679 (photo 9) matches the bridge number on my 1998 Wisconsin Central Map
You know that I have some tech drawings of the direct lift bridge also that I'll post up.
Old enough for medicare.
What about the rolling lift bridge formerly in Louisville of it's location?
This one was replaced in 2013
the reading eagle newspaper just printed an article concerning this now closed bridge.before it can be possibly replaced studies including threatened turtles must be completed.this bridge will probably get replaced around 2018 at the earliest according to the reading eagle.so it looks like this bridge in the meantime will continue to be closed to traffic.if anyone needs information on this i do have the article.
I was able to add some thoughts on preservation to the supervisors...the engineers were not keen to show their work when discussing costs to bypass or even knowing how much a move or costs of preservation might be.
This would be a tough save. Expensive pick. But at least the supervisors now have more info.
While at a meeting on Chambers Ford the county engineer suggested this might be a possibility for restoration to light vehicular traffic.
He was also open to making a study assessment on all the historic bridges ib his area so that good decisions and good info are at hand.
It does not look like it was originally pin-connected - yet the general construction style is more typical of the earlier pin-connected than the later riveted. I see this especially at the top joints.
I have a bunch of photos of this bridge I need to edit and upload...
Indiana Rail Road is the correct name (three words, not two) and it has been the owner since it was sold by Illinois Central in 1986. Their reporting symbol is INRD. Indiana Railroad (IR) was a short lived interurban that shut down in 1941 and had nothing to do with the Shuffle Creek Bridge.
Actually, I think it is a vertical lift bridge. Milwaukee has some that rise out of the ground like the Erie Canal bridges. In some of these construction photos, the bridge was repaired in the raised position and so it is visible: http://city.milwaukee.gov/mpw/supportforbusiness/projectsumm...
No, it's a single-leaf bascule.
Thanks Tony! I guess I'm still learning the details. The age and the way the gussets were done makes it look like they were added later but, I'm still new to this.
Another article with reference to bridgehunter:
Is this not a vertical lift bridge?
Looks like it was built as a riveted span Art.
Something looks odd to me. Was this bridge a pin connected truss that was retrofitted with riveted connections?
I've found an image of a Norfolk & Western train "near Sophia", exiting a tunnel, so I'd guess that NS currently uses the line
The "What's Here" feature does not seem to bring up the name of the railroad line that passes through the tunnels at Sophia, West Virginia. I will need to research this further.
Just look at the switchbacks the railroad needed to get down the mountain! This is difficult terrain even by West Virginia standards.
The Blatnik Bridge underwent a major rehab project in 2012-2013, which included reinforcement of some gusset plates, new strip-seal and modular deck joints, repainting of the truss and approach spans and a new decorative lighting system. Repairs enabled the 40-ton load limit to be removed; the bridge is no longer posted.
This bridge was removed in 2013.
This bridge may be closed. The last inspection (2012) revealed serious issues with the masonry piers and abutments. I will be there on Thursday (5/15/14) and will verify the status.
The railroad passes through a cut at this location, but Google Maps (terrain enabled) clearly shows a tunnel portal and an abandoned railroad grade just east of the current railroad.
Any clue when they plan to demolish this bridge? I'm planning on visiting Milwaukee in June.
I've written a Mystery Bridge article in hopes someone will come forward and talk about this bridge. I already got some leads from the author, but am hoping for more in the weeks to come. In the meantime, enjoy! http://thebridgehunter.areavoices.com/2014/05/11/mystery-bri...
This bridge shouldn't be in the category "Indiana Railroad" -- the Indiana Railroad was the interurban.
Does anyone know the status of the bridge in Johnsonville that has been closed since October 2013? There appears to be no work being done as of May 2014.
This bridge is sometimes seen in the background of DOWN EAST DICKERING. Watch and you're sure to get a glimpse.
Recently exploring some old topo maps and aerial imaging. First glance would appear that this was simply an access bridge, however I have found this is not the case. According to the 1951 topo map, and confirmed by actual aerial image from 1959, this bridge used to be part of the "Kansas City Kaw Valley" railroad, this bridge was the eastern terminus of this railroad.
The rail line itself ran just north of the current UP tracks along the bluff next to Kaw drive west of this bridge(back then was KS132), all the way to the present day interchange of K32-Kaw and Kansas Ave (back then a major interchange of K32 & 132), where there it crossed the road and ran north along K32-Kaw all the way thru Edwardsville, thru Lake of the forest, passing the Lone Star cement plant, and going thru Bonner Springs. West of Bonner, the line departed K32 and UP lines and ran across the prairies thru Linwood, and finally terminating just east of the UP overpass on Massachusetts St in Lawrence. The section west of Bonner was abandoned in 1958. A 1959 aerial shows a train passing the Lone star plant. The Bonner-KCK portion last appears on the 1963 topo. The only remaining portion of this line today is now a "storage" line next to Lone Star cement, and I believe is currently not even being used for anything anymore.
Today, much of the four lane expansion of K32 obliterated the grade and bridges from KCK-Bonner. In fact, K32 was realigned to this abandoned grade from west of Linwood to 174th St around 1960.
Not totally about the bridge, but I thought I bit of confirmed background history might be useful.
They diubletracked the line in 1913.
Did something catastrophic happen to this bridge, or did it suffer from some major design flaw? That's an awfully short service life for a bridge...
Thanks for sharing. That meeting must have been a joy to attend. While a hostile attitude is fun, I have yet to see a case where it produces the desired results.
If this article is indeed correct, then this is only a short-term closure...
Mr. Dillon (Absolutely NO relation!) has had my ire over the past couple years for replacing SELECT bridges on the Indiana Historic Bridge Inventory. I would be crazy to say that I am completely comfortable with hearing his desire to save this incredible structure (from a believability standpoint). However, since this bridge was wrongly labeled by an overpaid consulting firm, I will certainly hold out hope that this comes to pass!
It does sound like a concrete arch (#77) has either been replaced or heavily altered.
If this is the bridge that I believe it likely is, then it was built by a Japanese student of Squire Whipple.
First photo shows the extant pier on the northwest bank (left) and the extant center pier (right).
Second photo shows the extant center pier (left) and the southeast bank (right). The pier that formerly stood on the southeast bank has fallen into the river and is marked by a red buoy (arrow). The space between the red buoy and the center pier marks "the chute" -- the space free from underwater obstructions.
There also has been a nicely restored Scherzer Rolling Lift Bridge plaque on Ebay a couple times that hasn't sold. Some of these plaques go for a lot of money, but only so much. Price them too high they won't sell. The Scherzer plaque probably isn't selling because it isn't pretty looking. Not like the PE Lane plaque which is very pretty. The only people who would pay a lot of money for the Scherzer plaque are people who really understand and appreciate what a Scherzer Rolling Lift bridge is.
That bridge plaque has been on sale for a long time now. When it first went on sale, I mentioned it to my contacts at the Kansas State Historical Society as the plaque mentions that P.E. Lane had a location in Topeka.
There are at least two P.E. Lane bridges in Kansas, both of which are in terrible shape, and at least one is in immediate danger of collapse. Neither bridge would have been the source for this plaque however.
P.E. Lane bridges are extremely rare, and are usually very interesting.
A tiny ped. pony truss is next door. Can you please add it?
That's not a railroad bridge ... it's the old SH35 highway bridge. The MoPac crosses the Brazos River at Brazoria, not East Columbia. See separate listing for "UP Brazoria River Bridge" at
Texas SH35 now crosses the Brazos River about 0.7 mile upriver from the old SH35 bridge. Here's a map identifying the new SH35 bridge and the nearby "Port of Columbia Dock", the home dock of the Brazos Belle.
J.P. don't worry too much, people can ask whatever they want but someone must be willing to pay it to confirm the value. That plaque has been for sale on ebay for a very long time.
It's amazing what bridge plaques go for.
I could have sworn I had a comment here at one time.
Anyways ... several things.
1) It's not as much about this bridge and truck restrictions as it is Fife and pretty much traffic in general. It is it's own fiefdom. The Powers That Be that run Fife don't want cars or trucks to go through their area. There are many restrictions on travel and roads have been removed! But they certainly want to develop the lands within their limits into subdivisions and warehouses. As long as they're happy I guess.
2) Trucks that do cross as the article suggests have issues turning, primarily onto Levee from the Bridge. To avoid sitting vehicles they cut it close along the edge of the bridge. This has resulted in the plank walkway and railing getting clipped or demolished. The Fife cops have likely grown tried of filing reports about this sort of accident. When I took images of the George Milroy that had just happened. One cop had anger issues.
3) George Milroy was a member of the Puyallup Tribe, late 1800s-turn of 1900s. His native name was anglicized to George Milroy. He had land nearby in the Valley where he took up farming.
4) There was some interest in reusing this bridge as part of the cross-county bike trail system whenever Pierce County built a new bridge.
5) The new bridge was at one point dependent on a proposed truck corridor from 512 and Canyon Road to Fife. The hope was to solve the problems mentioned further up in this comment, Fife restricting trucks on their roads while expanding or building more warehouses. I believe four lanes of traffic was proposed.
Keep up the good work on Washington State bridges.
That's an unusually aggressive load-limit for a century old, wooden deck bridge on a minimal maintenance road. I hope Mr. Farmer doesn't end up putting this one in the drink!
FYI, I swapped the names of this bridge. Puyallup River Bridge was the primary name, and George Milroy Bridge was the "Also Called" name. I switched them because there are like five different bridges all called Puyallup River Bridge on this website and its highly confusing... and local news articles call this bridge the George Milroy Bridge anyway. By the way, this bridge was in the news recently:
They just knocked the concrete railing into the river? And put up Armco guardrail? Only one way to summarize that level of sophistication...
Yes, the original concrete parapet was removed from this bridge and replaced with a stupid-looking metal guardrail. It appears that they just knocked the concrete off into the creek. Tacky.
As of May 2014 this bridge is permanently closed. Guardrails have been welded across the portals to keep cars out.
It's now open to the public! Went to the dedication ceremony recently and got to drive over it. Glad they restored it!
Bearden's Mill Bridge looks Just like a Bridge going over the Buffalo River near Linden TN in the Rockhouse comminity
Just google up Greensburg Daily News Bridge Project. As of today (5-8) the link of the article is still on the very top. It is titled Commissioners Approve Bid Opening For Bridge Project. The actual talk of the bridge is in the middle of the large article.
Inspected this bridge on 5/7/2014. Road dead-ends in farmer's field to the north. Recently rated and posted at 16 tons single vehicle and 25 tons combination.
I've been waiting for this bridge to appear! I had no idea how to add it. Anyway, this is the ex-CGW bridge removed to straighten Delaware ave. It was actually further east than indicated on the map (actual coordinates: 41.627778,-93.5815). The place noted on the map is indeed the ex-CNW Ames to Des Moines main but no bridge has ever existed there.
Appears to be a Whipple bowstring:
Being brought back to health prior to the execution:
Can you provide a link to the article? I did a brief Google search and wasn't getting anything.
I just read an article that sounds like this stone arch bridge is to be widened which means possible modernization. I know there is like no rail which is dangerous. Only I especially hate to see culverts put under the arches which looks so ugly.
This bridge had to been removed when the new US 50/150 bypass was completed. The bypass began just to the west of this bridge and curved just to the south where a set of twin bridges were built taking US 50 south of Washington instead of through town. Also I may have seen something in Jim Cooper's metal bridge book that there was a similar through truss bridge just to the west of this one across the overflow.
As many Bridgehunter readers know, I have added a multitude of tunnels in West Virginia lately. Many of them are on the Norfolk Southern Railroad, specifically the Pocahontas and Kenova Subdivisions.
I may (probably) have mis-named a few entries. If any locals or any railroad fans know the proper names, please change them as needed.
Definitely ranks at the top of the scale of coolness for me too, and I really like the deck truss span with the polygonal lower chord too!
Extremely unique and unusual structure...I like it too!
I hereby rate this bridge as extreme weirdness. And I like it.
The community has started a change.org petition and a Facebook page.
This is a very short tunnel under a narrow ridge. Beaver Run Road crosses the ridge.
There are two tunnels at Mohegan, WV so I just named the entries as North and South. I will try to research the tunnels I have added to gain more information.