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Posted December 2, 2013, by Matt Lohry

So...it appears that Google has a Street View Bicycle, unless the car violated some very serious access rules! But, there are street views in the area of this bridge where cars would not fit, so either a bicycle or someone on foot with a camera was on the loose...this would be great, as we would be provided street views of some of the incredible historic trail bridges out there!

VERA BRIDGE IN FAYETTE COUNTY, IL
Posted December 2, 2013, by JIM STEWART (JAMES [dot] STEWART [at] TYLIN [dot] COM)

THE BRIDGE EAST OF AND SLIGHTLY SOUTH OF VERA ON ROUTE 13 OVER THE KASKASKIA RIVER SEEMS TO MEET THE CRITERIA.

Posted December 2, 2013, by K. A. Erickson

Hey now, hey now now, sing This Corrosion to me

Hey now, hey now now, sing This Corrosion to me

Hey now, hey now now, sing This Corrosion to me

Hey now, hey now now

Posted December 1, 2013, by John Marvig (johnmarvig [at] chaska [dot] net)

Advanced corrosion has ate through much of the bracing on the west end. This corrosion has caused the bridge to visibly shift. Because of this, the bridge has an unsafe future.

Posted December 1, 2013, by Anonymous

I think this was a pedestrian bridge from a park or golf course.

Posted December 1, 2013, by Joshua Bauer (santafebuff96 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Despite the age of this bridge it still remains in a good carrying position for the high traffic of the Union Pacific Railroad. Excellent bridge construction in my opinion, but it is definitely getting on the end of its life span by the looks of things.

Posted December 1, 2013, by Zachary S

Eh, modern or not, it's interesting enough that I'd vote on it staying. There are many far worse things on here than this, lol.

Posted December 1, 2013, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

Posting sign is gone and there's no fence along the road so I got in for a closer look. I suggest we consider this for deletion--it's really nothing special.

Posted December 1, 2013, by Ashley Lane (ronaldashleylanejr [at] gmail [dot] com)

The correct location is "33 47.165 N 84 21.833 W"

@Brookridge Dr NE and Elkmont Dr NE

Posted December 1, 2013, by Jason Smith (JDSmith77 [at] gmx [dot] net)

Reminder! Today's the last day to submit your entries for the 3rd annual Othmar H. Ammann Awards. Ballots will be made available shortly afterwards!

Posted December 1, 2013, by Julie Bowers (jbowerz1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Purchasing the bridge was all of the battle. Then the community was able to do the work that it can. Fastest bridge restoration ever? Fastest, done with all standards and thinking in mind.

No hype, just hard work. It is because NSRGA/Workin' Bridges/FBMB are the owner/contractor/friends team. Nels Raynor and Jim Schiffer are a great team to work with. Add the local contingent and we have a success story being revealed.

Posted December 1, 2013, by Michael Daniels (m1r2d3 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

I remember as a kid the old turnaround located in the railroad yard there in Riceville. I used to hear the train cars being hooked together during the night as I lay in bed at my Aunt Maggie and Uncle Vanford's house . I was told by family members that my great grandfather Barry Harrison Pate built this bridge.

Vera Bridge in Fayette County, IL
Posted November 30, 2013, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

Consider that there might be a comma needed after Vera. It may not be called "Vera Bridge". There's a bridge on 13 east of Vera, IL.

Vera Bridge in Fayette County, IL
Posted November 30, 2013, by Doug (douglitas [at] gmail [dot] com)

Hi, all. I am a researcher studying chickadees in Illinois. I am working with half-century old museum specimens and the collection locations for some of them are written very imprecisely. One of the specimen tags reads: "Ill., Fayette Co., N. of Vandalia S. of Vera Bridge on Kaskaskia River"

It is the "Vera Bridge" part of this that I'm curious about. A search of this site doesn't yield any results for a Vera Bridge. Does anyone here know about it? I need very precise latitude and longitude data for this study and it would be a tremendous help if someone could help me to locate this bridge.

It might be important to note that these specimens were collected in 1959 or thereabouts.

Posted November 30, 2013, by kayandjay.biz

Lower level is an abandon street car line.

Posted November 29, 2013, by Luke Harden (lukemh9 [at] gmail [dot] com)

IARR WAS the Iowa River Railroad. All trackage betwixt Steamboat Rock and Marshalltown are presently being removed and the rail corridor has been purchased for conversion into the "Iowa River Rail Trail/IRRT" by the Iowa Natural Heritage Foundation.

(See the picture I've added, taken by Brian Lage in/near Eldora)

http://www.hardincountytrails.com/Default.aspx?id=52922&Titl...

http://www.hardincountytrails.com/Default.aspx?id=52893&Titl...

I'm certain a field-check would be needed to confirm that anything still remains, though.

Posted November 29, 2013, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

Two things: "What's Here" shows the IARR, whatever that is. The tracks appear to be used at least occasionally.

Also, Bing shows something still there looking from the north. The difference between the two views may not represent a loss as much as a change in the area under the bridge.

Posted November 29, 2013, by Nathan Holth (form3 [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

This may be a Smith Bridge Company bowstring. Similar bridge: http://www.historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowse...

Posted November 29, 2013, by Art S. (Asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)
Posted November 29, 2013, by Art S (Asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)
Posted November 29, 2013, by Art S. (Asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)
Posted November 29, 2013, by Art S (Asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

Doomed

http://www.morningjournal.com/general-news/20131128/lorain-g...

One of five bridges at the bottom of the article listed to be replaced.

Posted November 28, 2013, by jayhawk

Agreed. Looks like it was bypassed once by a two lane road and again later by a four lane. This listing may or may not be a duplicate of another, here: http://bridgehunter.com/mo/holt/22231/

Both these bridges are shown in the same spot but have conflicting details. Perhaps one crossed the main channel and has been removed?

If you look on the street view, there is a large section of road leading up to this bridge that appears to have the original concrete pavement, which is fairly rare in Missouri but still exists in several spots where roads were bypassed very early.

MN Bridge # 3689
Posted November 28, 2013, by John Marvig (johnmarvig [at] chaska [dot] net)

The coordinates given in a previous post put it north of Cokato and south of Annandale. The description appears to be correct (10th Street over N. Fork Crow River)

MN Bridge # 3689
Posted November 28, 2013, by BS

Thanks for the reply on Bridge # 3689 - The lattitude & Longitude should put that bridge in the City of Delano- Is that correct?? Thanks again for the input -BS

Posted November 28, 2013, by The Independent Rage (theindependentrage [at] gmail [dot] com)

From the Google air view, it appears that this bridge was a part of an old (and probably the original) alignment of US 59.

Posted November 28, 2013, by Jason Smith (JDSmith77 [at] gmx [dot] net)

Two important announcements: 1. A petition is going around to be sent to the Des Moines City Council. Click on the link below and follow it to CREDO to sign. Also like the page and keep up to date on the latest with the bridge.

Link: http://thebridgehunter.areavoices.com/2013/11/28/jackson-str...

2. The Des Moines City Council talked about the bridge during the meeting on the 26th of November, which included five people speaking for saving the bridge and a pair against it. The claim that it will cost $3.7m to restore the bridge is too high according to many. If you know of any restoration examples that are LOWER than $3m, please post your examples on the Bridgehunter's Chronicles' facebook page. I already have a few bridges from Michigan on there, but I'm sure there are enough US examples to go around.

Next meeting is December 16th. More information will be posted then. Happy Thanksgiving! :-)

Posted November 27, 2013, by Randy Rasa (rasarandy [at] gmail [dot] com)

It seems this bridge is doomed.

From an article in the Iola Register (behind a paywall) Jan 31, 2013:

"The fate of the Hegwald Bridge, or county bridge 2.8-P.6, in Humboldt has been decided. It will be demolished and replaced.

The bridge, which crosses Owl Creek west of Chanute, is eligible for Kansas Department of Transportation funding. The county will pay 20 percent of the total cost of the construction, and KDOT will pay the remaining 80 percent. According to KDOT, any bridge that receives a sufficiency rating of 50 or lower on the 100-point scale is eligible for funding — the Hegwald bridge rated at 17.9."

And from August 28, 2013:

"See it before it’s gone: Allen County crews are removing the 'Hegwald Bridge' west of Humboldt. The $694,933.50 project to replace the bridge will most likely take place at the end of 2013 or the beginning of 2014, said Bill King, director of public works."

As of November 27, 2013, the bridge is still in place, with no signs of impending demolition.

Posted November 27, 2013, by David Backlin (us71 [at] cox [dot] net)

http://binged.it/1aZwPSJ

Bing Maps Bird's Eye View

Posted November 27, 2013, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

A restoration win:

http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=28118&TRID=1&T...

Some of the quoted comments on the value of this restoration can be informative to others considering similar projects.

Posted November 27, 2013, by jayhawk

When girders are "arched" like this, they're not actually acting as an arch where all members are in compression. This is simply a thickening of the girder where the shear is highest near the supports. It looks nicer than a straight girder, but is more expensive to cast.

Posted November 27, 2013, by Zachary S

According to the local news sources it opened up again within a couple of days, so I would assume the closure was either to allow for emergency vehicles and keep sight-seers and non-residents from interfering with the disaster scene, or to check for possible damage... which apparently didn't occur, if the tornado even HIT the bridge, as the bridge is open again.

Bridges this well-built can usually take a sideswipe from a moderate tornado now and then without too much damage, of course, as I remember the now-lost Johnsey Bridge in my county (turn-of-the-century basic single span through truss) being in rather poor condition yet still surviving a direct hit from an F3 in 2002 without being damaged significantly. Then again, there are many others that have been damaged or destroyed by strong tornado strikes.

Just for reference... the Brookport tornado was an EF-3; crossed from KY into IL and back to KY again (due to the arrangement of state lines here along the Ohio River) on its 42 mile long path, destroyed numerous mobile homes and a few site-built homes and commercial structures, and killed three people (the deadliest of the outbreak)

Marysville Bridge (Pennsylvania)
Posted November 27, 2013, by Joe Ryan (ryan90274 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Thanks for the info. Do you know where I can find an image of the Marysville bridge and an image of the Rockville bridge as they existed in their original form?

Kestler's Bridge access?
Posted November 27, 2013, by Jay Bridges (jaybridgesphotography [at] yahoo [dot] com)

I'll be passing through Statesville soon and was curious to see if there is access to Kestler's Bridge so I can photograph it? Google maps shows either a fairly long walk down the old ROW or parking at a house and trying to get permission to cross their property. Any help is appreciated, thanks!

http://bridgehunter.com/nc/iredell/bh47136/

Jay

Posted November 27, 2013, by Matt Lohry

This bridge is neither a stringer nor a slab--there is one spot in the street view where the reflection of the bridge's underside can be clearly seen, revealing that the bridge is a concrete girder bridge. It has only the outer beams, with perpendicular floor beams connecting them. Somewhat like a stringer, but definitely not a slab.

Posted November 26, 2013, by Max

While NBI lists this bridge as a concrete stringer, a quick look at google earth ground view from the current US75 bridge tells me this is an arched concrete slab, so I listed it as such.

Posted November 26, 2013, by Kelly McClanahan

Thanks for the comment and research. The video I have is about the old Pennsy (Pennsylvania Railroad). These are the old Pennsy "movies" that the PRR put out as a promotion and history of the famous railroad. On one of the segments it speaks of a bypassed tunnel near Steubenville, Ohio. I was just wondering where it was The one on the video it looks very much like this one, as does the cut, but perhaps there are others in the area.

Posted November 26, 2013, by Kelly McClanahan

Glad you added it. I was going to, but never got around to it, and considering the old bridge is now gone, it is fitting. As for it being modern, it is no different than the Kit Bond Bridge that replacing the Peso.

Re: Bridge Comment
Posted November 26, 2013, by Matt Lohry

Unfortunately, this bridge is long gone... It was replaced and the road realigned at least 10 years ago.

re: Bridge Comment
Posted November 25, 2013, by Nathan Holth (form3 [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Structure number 3689 was listed in the 1992 National bridge Inventory in Wright County. It was listed as a 90 foot span, 93 foot long 17 foot roadway steel thru truss. Location: 10th Street over North Fork Crow River, coordinates: 45.16673 -94.15544

Posted November 25, 2013, by Jason Smith (JDSmith77 [at] gmx [dot] net)

Reminder to all who all are interested: You have five days to submit your bridge entries for the 2013 Othmar H. Ammann Awards and Smith Awards. If interested, check out the Chronicles for information on which categories and submit your nominations by no later than December 1st. A ballot will be available for you to vote on the nominees shortly thereafter.

Bridge comment
Posted November 25, 2013, by BS

This question is for the bridgehunters in Minnesota - recently saw a bridge plaque # 3689 - built 1922 - supposedly from Wright County -- Anyone know its location?? BS

Posted November 25, 2013, by BS

This bridge was replaced with a couple of concrete culverts about two years ago - Thought it was going to be relocated- but it got scrapped instead - BS

Fitch's Bridge (Massachusetts)
Posted November 25, 2013, by Tony Dillon (spansaver [at] hotmail [dot] com)

Thank you for the pics Olin...Good to have documentation of it for future reference.

Fitch's Bridge (Massachusetts)
Posted November 25, 2013, by Olin Lathrop

D027-1951

Fitch's Bridge (Massachusetts)
Posted November 25, 2013, by Olin Lathrop

D027-1950

Fitch's Bridge (Massachusetts)
Posted November 25, 2013, by Olin Lathrop

D027-1949

Fitch's Bridge (Massachusetts)
Posted November 25, 2013, by Olin Lathrop

Argh. The server makes you enter something in the space. Picture D027-1947.

Fitch's Bridge (Massachusetts)
Posted November 25, 2013, by Olin Lathrop

Apparently the site resizes images to 1600 wide max. The one just uploaded was actually 4266 pixels wide, so contained much more detail than what the server allows. Oh well, here are the other images anyway.

Fitch's Bridge (Massachusetts)
Posted November 25, 2013, by Olin Lathrop (fitchbr [at] embedinc [dot] com)

I tried to upload more picture, as requested, but the web site barfed on 6 large pictures. This time I'll try each one in a single message.

These are all high resolution pictures, so some zooming in and examining detail should be possible.

Posted November 25, 2013, by Nathan Holth (form3 [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

This bridge appears to be on the verge of collapse. The bearing is halfway off the abutment and twisting of the gusset plate in that area is visible.

Posted November 25, 2013, by Jason (geighcun [at] hotmail [dot] com)

This bridge is planned to be replaced, probably within the next 5 years. KAIT 8 has the story on their site : http://www.kait8.com/story/23447628/85-year-old-pocahontas-b...

The mayor states it would happen after the Blackrock bridge is finished, and that the Pocahontas truss bridge was originally supposed to be torn down when the parallel bridge was opened back in the 80's, but never was due to traffic volume.

Royal Mills bridge (Rhode Island)
Posted November 25, 2013, by Nathan Holth (form3 [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Arkwright bridge is one of the names we have that bridge listed under... under the alternate names section.

Royal Mills bridge (Rhode Island)
Posted November 25, 2013, by Art S. (Asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

The picture looks like the Arkwright bridge

Royal Mills bridge (Rhode Island)
Posted November 24, 2013, by Luke Harden (lukemh9 [at] gmail [dot] com)

It is added to the site, it's just under the name "Interlaken Mill Bridge"

Posted November 24, 2013, by S. D. Labbé (bellevue164 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

I'm a little surprised that the Hill Street bridge (off Main Street) Harris, RI hasn't been included. It's no longer accessible for vehicular traffic, but it's an interesting old bridge, dating from that latter part of the 19th C. (maybe the 1880's) It spans the Pawtuxet River and is located just off Rt. 115 in Harris.

Picture captured from Google attached.

Posted November 24, 2013, by S.D. Labbé (bellevue164 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Here are three recent photos. You can use any that you want. I can get a picture of the outside or the underside next time I'm in the area. There's also an image taken from Google street view.

Posted November 24, 2013, by Sandy Weiskopf (sandy [dot] weiskopf [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Hello:

I came across this picture a couple years ago-

I was a bridge tender since 1999 and October 31 of this year I closed it for the season.

It's a very nice bridge and the city workers are very nice to work for.

Thank You.

Sandy Weiskopf

Posted November 24, 2013, by Greg

I think that "under construction" implies that the bridge isn't in place?

Posted November 23, 2013, by Eric Coop (ecoop1975 [at] gmail [dot] com)

The bridge past the Market Street Bridge is the Wabash Railroad Bridge. That bridge is now used as a hike/bike trail connection to the southside of Ottumwa near the John Deere plant.

Posted November 23, 2013, by George H. Harris (ghharris44 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Needs to be stated that this bridge is not yet in place. It was built in 1985 to replace a much older draw span in the Galveston causeway. In turn it was replaced by a newer much longer span vertical lift bridge.

Sonoma Marin (SMART) bought it to replace the currently in place 1903 span which appeared to be way beyond condition that made rehabilitation feasible.

The contract to install this bridge in Petaluma has just been awarded, so it is not yet in place and probably won't be for another year or so.

Posted November 23, 2013, by Greg Sommer (gasomr [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Here is this bridge in current condition so check out the photos that I posted in this comment and the ones on my facebook page at this link: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.179954638876616.10...

This was taken on Nov 09, 2013

Posted November 23, 2013, by Greg Sommer (gasomr [at] yahoo [dot] com)

Photos of this bridge taken on 10/27/2013 also link to more photos of this bridge: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.174645952740818.10...

Posted November 23, 2013, by Greg Sommer (gasomr [at] yahoo,com)

Here are some photos of this bridge also known as the Stanley Bridge Also here are more Photos of this bridge at this link https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.177283839143696.10...

Posted November 23, 2013, by K. A. Erickson

Fixed that for you, a double barreled Baltimore through truss.

Luke will be by shortly to add the relevant rail ownership history. *tags Luke*

Posted November 23, 2013, by bendboy

What a waste. They could've made a pedestrian bridge, but nooooo! They demolish it without mercy. Jeezum.

Posted November 23, 2013, by Anonymous

That ain't a pony truss.....

Reporting marks; etc
Posted November 22, 2013, by Fmiser (fmiser [at] gmail [dot] com)

Reporting marks are good. Because it is a regulated list, it is a sure way to provide a unique identifier to the line owner. But is it really better than the official name? A quick look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reporting_marks:_B shows there is at least a dozen reporting marks that belong to Burlington Northern and Santa Fe. Which mark should be used?

Then there is time to consider. Names and marks change with time. And "current" is a slippery term because what is current today is history tomorrow - so at least a year is a good addition to anytime "current" is used. ("current meaning "now", not "water flow")

It seems the current rail owner and the rail owner who built a bridge are both important pieces of information. Should either of them be part of the Bridgehunter entry title?

There is a field called "carries". I would think this is where the current line owner should be listed.

But that still doesn't answer what should be the entry title. A completely unique name would me nice, but if we use popular names, it will never work out. "Carries" and "Crosses" can make a unique name - unless the river and road both run down the same valley, then there could be a dozen crossings, so that doesn't work so well either.

I don't think the "Overview" field is parsed during a search, otherwise that could be a good place to store some of the "extra" info like the rail owner that built the bridge, mile post, etc.

In conclusion, I think reporting mark, mile post, and "crosses" should be a _last_ resort in the entry title. Use them only when there isn't another good way to name it. "Unnamed" should always be avoided.

What would _I_ name an abandoned bridge over an unnamed creek? The town nearby, the owner of the field, the day of the week I found it - anything but "Unused/Unknown bridge over unnamed creek".

1907 Attica Bridge Co. Sign
Posted November 22, 2013, by Cody (codymitchell [at] frontier [dot] com)

Trying to find out the location and name of the bride that this cast iron sign belongs to. Any info will be appreciated.

Posted November 22, 2013, by cory coffey (14coffeyc [at] students [dot] bcsc [dot] k12 [dot] in [dot] us)

the old 2nd st bridge used to be where this one is now and this bridge is really nice and you get a good view of the railroad bridge over the east fork and a good view of the Robert N Stewart bridge which i still call it the 2nd street bridge

Posted November 22, 2013, by Jodi Christman (masterofchaos [at] outlook [dot] com)

A shout out to Jeff Nelson...awesome job. Glad to see communities embracing their heritage and not destroying the past for the sake of convenience or budget. Kudos to you, the team and all parties who drove this project forward!

Posted November 22, 2013, by Nathan Holth (form3 [at] historicbridges [dot] org)

Maine is the shame of New England. This have demolished a magnificent David Steinman suspension bridge, the Waldo-Hancock Bridge, and have demolished the landmark Memorial Bridge, a Waddell vertical lift masterpiece. Now, Maine is on track to not have a SINGLE example of a pin-connected highway truss in the entire state, with plans to demolish this bridge in place! Can you imagine an entire state in the eastern USA without a single pin-connected truss bridge?! Absolutely pathetic!

Posted November 21, 2013, by Anonymous

whoops i posted twice!

Posted November 21, 2013, by Anonymous

it's true.

Posted November 21, 2013, by Anonymous

it's true.

Posted November 21, 2013, by Bill Eichelberger

Two Dodges and a Plymouth. ;-)

Posted November 21, 2013, by larry sara (larrymsara [at] gmail [dot] com)

Closed indefinitely in July 2013 - ignored for decades.

May fall in 2113...

Posted November 21, 2013, by Dylan VanAntwerp (dylan_vanantwerp [at] live [dot] com)

Pardon me for causing any confusion in my earlier post. Should have read: there is no Missouri Central Railroad currently.

Posted November 21, 2013, by Dylan VanAntwerp (dylan_vanantwerp [at] live [dot] com)

The Missouri Central Railroad was an extremely brief predecessor of today's Central Midland Railway, which is owned by the Indiana Railroad. Info on the railroad is pretty scarce, but it looks like they leased the former Rock Island line with the intent to bring the whole line back into service eventually. I am not sure who they leased the line from, but it either would have been Union Pacific or Ameren UE.

This operation appears to have been rather short-lived and was taken over by the Indiana Railroad, which created the current day Central Midland to run the line. It looks like between the two companies that modest rebuilding of the line on the east end has been accomplished. However, due to lack of traffic, CMR may abandon much of their operation if the Wikipedia entry is indeed trustworthy.

Reporting marks; etc
Posted November 21, 2013, by Dylan VanAntwerp (dylan_vanantwerp [at] live [dot] com)

I have no problem with using a consensus system of reporting marks; but we must also remember that this can cause problems. Let's take BNSF as an example. Burlington Northern (BN) bought out and merged with Atchison, Topeka, & Santa FE (ATSF) in 1995 to form the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway (BNSF). This mouthful was officially shortened to BNSF Railway in 2005. That is a complicated amount of history and reporting marks in a short time.

Now, lets also add to this the fact that many people have a penchant for adding every bridge entry by the body of water it crosses and even re-editing other entries similarly if no local name is known. Sometimes local names or even the popular name for the bridge are still ignored and edited out if a particular editor doesn't approve.

What you can end up with is a list of 30 BNSF X River bridges with nothing to distinguish them in their titles. This can be especially confusing to the laymen who may not be the most familiar with reporting marks, rivers, etc. I looked at the famous Sibley Bridge yesterday and was half tempted to stick "BNSF" in front of it. I'm surprised it hasn't been edited to BNSF Missouri River Bridge. Well, there are a ton of those. There is only one Sibley Bridge.

Posted November 21, 2013, by Jeff Nelson (jnelson [at] garfield-county [dot] com)

The project is 100% complete and a grand success. The project won an award with the APWA for Engineering and Construction.

I give a personal THANK YOU to all of the successful team, who contributed,

Jeff Nelson (Project Manager)

Garfield County

Assistant County Engineer

unknown bridge
Posted November 21, 2013, by Lee Witten (lee [at] theunionstation [dot] org)

I want to thank Nathan for correctly identifying my "unknown" bridge as the Victoria Bridge in Montreal and the link to the web page. The Heritage Montreal website has a great set of photos and history of it that I will include in our archive with the photo we received.

Lee Witten

Posted November 21, 2013, by Joseph Hinson (joethephotog [at] yahoo [dot] com)

The South Carolina Central Railroad connection here is mainly from my understanding the grouping of railroads by RailTex in the 80s and 90s. RailTex was a shortline holding company later bought out by RailAmerica who was later bought out by GWI.

I would have to look up the ancestor railroads, by the South Carolina Central did not come to be until 1987.

Wolf Bridge (Pennsylvania)
Posted November 21, 2013, by Jodi Christman (masterofchaos [at] outlook [dot] com)

I was able to get out and take a lot of photos documenting the bridge's current condition on Nov. 19th compared to my shots dating from 2009 and 2010.

There appears to be major rust in the substructure. As well as rust all over showing that the bridge needed more care (at least painting) to keep it performing.

Also in my photos you can see the vertical they replaced back in 2010-11 and the guide rails that replaced the frail railing. This is a neat bridge and I hope they take care to restore.

Re: unknown bridge
Posted November 20, 2013, by Fmiser (fmiser [at] gmail [dot] com)

I think Nathan pegged it. The photo of the unknown bridge matches a _lot_ of points about the Victoria Bridge.

Since the photo shows trusses, it was taken after 1898.

There are some cool images of the original 1859 tube bridge that the trusses replaced on the "history" page at:

http://www.memorablemontreal.com/accessibleQA/en/bridges/?id...

Posted November 20, 2013, by rick shelton (shltn [dot] rck66 [at] yahoo [dot] com)

The last I saw, the 3 Dodges were over by the highway.

Posted November 20, 2013, by Bill Eichelberger

To be honest, seeing in your pictures that they've cleaned up the lot behind the bridge is the best thing I've seen concerning this project. The weeds were chest high the last few times I was there. Hope my three dream cars are still around. ;-)

Reporting marks
Posted November 20, 2013, by John Marvig (johnmarvig [at] chaska [dot] net)

All,

Here is what I think. For the sake of not "cluttering" the site, I think reporting marks should be used for major railroads, like Union Pacific (UP), Chicago & Northwestern (C&NW), Illinois Central (IC) or railroads like that.

For some railroads, such as BNSF, those are the real names. So the catagory should be "BNSF" instead of "Burlington Northern Santa Fe"

Most locals wont even be looking for "Rock Island" or "RI", they will just be looking for "Railroad Bridge over Creek". I know from experience.

Just my opinion

Posted November 20, 2013, by Katy fan

There are actually several trails built on former Katy lines whose names are are "MKT Trail" or "M-K-T Trail" and are completely seperate from the Katy Trail.

Posted November 20, 2013, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

Dylan--

Thanks for the link to the RI maps and the number for this bridge.

You might guess I have been dealing with what to name bridges that don't have a common name. Often they are so ordinary that people don't refer to them, or if they do it's when giving directions e.g. "First right after the railroad bridge." When the name of the line is highly visible locals may talk about "past the Kansas City Southern bridge." Until encountering the railfans here I had not heard of reporting marks and certainly never heard anyone refer to a bridge using a reporting mark.

Visiting this site can encourage people to get excited about preserving historic bridges. I think most of the hits from non-regular visitors come from people looking for a bridge they remember. Using the most common name for a bridge makes it easier for "outside" searchers to find that favorite bridge and thus spark an interest in preservation.

With bridges such as this one, I doubt anyone ever gave it a name. It's not likely that anyone will search for it by name, even if it had one. In such a case either naming it for the line it carries, the feature it crosses, or using the railroad number makes the most sense to me.

A trend I hope declines is the tendency to replace common names with technical ones. An example is the Katy Trail. When I was young I spent time in my father's home town of Parsons, KS. The railroad there was the Katy. I saw the MKT on cars and bridges but everyone spoke only of "The Katy." I think it makes it harder for site visitors to find bridges when the "Katy Trail Bridge" is changed to "MKT Trail Bridge." No one anywhere along the route ever refers to it as the MKT Trail. I hate to think people couldn't find the old Rock Island 5th Street bridge because the name has been "corrected" to the RI 5th Street bridge.

The forum is a great place for us to work out a consensus on how names should be applied to bridges. I tend to assume the person who adds the bridge knows what it is called either through first hand knowledge or research. I will not change a name unless it's clear that the information is incomplete, for example I may change "Unknown Railroad bridge" to the name of the railroad if I find it documented. I hope we can informally arrive at a common practice that will maximize the usefulness of this site.

Posted November 20, 2013, by Art S. (asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

The MOB is SE of the bridge's location. In the old photos, the Caskie Paper Co. is in view. The Caskie building is still standing on the other side of the highway overpass from the MOB. You can see one of the abutments next to the Caskie building. The bridge is gone. Here are some shots from Fickr that show the same building from the ground looking past the bridges location:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroweb/sets/72157628033230675...

Posted November 20, 2013, by Clark Vance (cvance [at] dogmail [dot] com)

Interesting to compare the piers to this one:

http://bridgehunter.com/ia/linn/milw-railroad/

Posted November 20, 2013, by Marc

Dylan--

Several railroads that ran through the area I live in simply referred to their bridges based on the mile post they were located at. Thus, rail fans or bridge geeks might consider the bridge shown below as the Golah Bridge, Honeoye Creek Bridge, Erie Rochester Div. Br., etc. But to the Bridge Dep't, it was simply Bridge #370.58.

I have pictures of a few hundred bridges that aren't shown on Bridge Hunter, but I've shied away from sending them in just for the reason you mentioned: Too many know-it-alls who interfere with other people's submissions instead of just sticking to their own knowledge or area they live in. And the bickering over it is nauseating.

Perhaps the Bridge Hunter owner could think of a way to clamp down on it in next yea'r batch of new features. Addition by subtraction is good some times.

Posted November 20, 2013, by Art S. (asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

Julie,

If the locals don't want it, I'm interested. I can take it and store it until sufficient funding is available to restore it, or if there are creative solutions towards funding/restoration I'll gladly give it a permanent home!

Regards,

Art S.

Posted November 20, 2013, by Art S. (asuckewer [at] knite [dot] com)

Googled Missouri Central Railroad.

http://www.missouri-central.railfan.net/ was the first site I clicked on. It certainly looks like there was a railroad called Missouri Central Railroad. What am I missing?

Posted November 20, 2013, by Anonymous

I believe that this bridge may have been relocated to this site from county highway Y, where Y crosses the Rock River near Wool Rd, on the north side of Mayville. Prior to construction of the new bridge over the Rock River on Y, stone abutments from a previous structure were visible on both sides of the river, orienting the bridge more North/South instead of Northwest along the current alignment of highway Y. Just speculation, but it makes sense in my mind.

Posted November 20, 2013, by Robert Elder (robertelder1 [at] gmail [dot] com)

Personally, I like to use the most common local name, even if it is not technically correct. Usually that is the name given on here by those of us who actually drive the backroads to find and photograph these bridges.

I stick to this policy whether the name is in reference to a railroad, stream name, mountain under which a tunnel passes, etc. Alternate names can be placed in the corresponding category. Technical information can be placed in the description or elsewhere on the page.

i.e. "The most common name for this bridge is Mill Creek Bridge even though it actually crosses Turkey Creek, a tributary of Mill Creek."

or, "although known locally as the Union Pacific Bridge, this structure actually carried the Lawrence, Leavenworth and Galveston Railroad".

Just my $.02

Some guy with a car named Chelsea.

Rock Island Bridge info
Posted November 20, 2013, by Dylan VanAntwerp (dylan_vanantwerp [at] live [dot] com)

For anybody looking for information on Rock Island RR bridges, please consult the following website: http://www.multimodalways.org/archives/rrs/CRI&P/CRI&P%20Tra...

It has a large list of Rock Island track charts from the early 1970s. These charts will have the bridge's official number and also details about design and length. However, do note that the info on these bridges may be incomplete or even wrong, so these track charts cannot be fully trusted.

Posted November 20, 2013, by Dylan VanAntwerp (dylan_vanantwerp [at] live [dot] com)

I added info and changed the name to the official Rock Island name for the bridge. However, since Clark is the person who added the bridge, I defer to his judgment as to the final name for the entry.

Posted November 20, 2013, by Dylan VanAntwerp (dylan_vanantwerp [at] live [dot] com)

Actually, there is no Missouri Central railroad. Right now the small, active portion of the line from St. Louis to Union is leased and operated by the Central Midland Railway from Ameren UE. As Central Midland has nothing to do with the western half of the line, it's really not appropriate to call this a CMR bridge. If you want the official Rock Island name for the bridge, it was Bridge #2106. As the vast majority of the line never saw anything other than a tiny handful of Southern Pacific traffic post-Rock Island, it seems to me the most fitting railroad to include in any name for any of these abandoned bridges would naturally be the Rock Island.

As far as some of the squabbling goes about RR bridge names, I would like to share a few thoughts. Let me share an experience I had several months earlier to enlighten the situation. Last year I was out driving in NE Iowa by the small town of Randalia, when I stumbled across a the remnants of a small Rock Island bridge torn out years ago. I stopped, investigated the area, took a few pictures, then submitted them to the website.

Because the small creek/ditch had no name on any maps I looked at, I chose to name the entry the RI Randalia Bridge. Yet, somebody felt it was their duty to rename my entry within seconds to RI Unnamed Stream Bridge. It was a simple thing, yet it still annoyed me. I had to re-edit the name of the bridge several times, fighting a pathetic battle with whatever individual was so doggedly determined to change this name to whatever they thought was "proper".

Can I say that I feel like some people on this website are WAY too anal retentive about certain things? It seems some people want to have a fit if they don't feel like the right reporting marks and body of water info are used. I think the whole use of unnamed stream needs to be dropped completely. Have you ever heard anybody in their entire life refer to a bridge as Unnamed Stream Bridge? It sounds ridiculous.

Furthermore, not every bridge ever built was named after the body of water it crosses. If a bridge doesn't have a name, name it! That's what I did with the RI Randalia entry. The bridge was in the city limits, after all. There is always something relevant nearby, even if it isn't the body of water itself. Is that such a big deal? I've been so brazen as to actually give a name to a pathetic little stream rather than call it "unnamed stream bridge".

Some of you get way to edit happy with other entries. If there is something obviously wrong, fix it! If there is info you can add,add it! If you don't like the reporting marks they used because you feel they aren't the correct ones (CSX vs CSXT, RI vs CRIP), get a life! If the name doesn't strike your fancy, remember you weren't the one who walked through thorn bushes to photograph it in the first place!


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