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Loved this bridge painted Yellow... Wish they had left it that color!
I saw an article on this tunnel which is located near Coburn,Pa which is in Centre county.I looked on Bridgehunters and didn't see it.Anybody know about it?
I was watching the world news on channel 6 ABC out of Philly tonight and saw that a bridge on the Llano river outside of Kingsland Texas collapsed due to flooding.The name of the bridge is the 2900 bridge.Is this on bridgehunters?Google has articles on it.
Some more information on the bridge and its eventual replacement: https://ycitynews.com/2264/news/philo-duncan-falls-bridge-to...
I'm seriously impressed that it's still standing after having lost a pier
Cited article says they plan to use a vertical lift.
I wonder what bridge they are replacing this Strauss bridge with now?
Touring coach GVWR 53,000 lb or roughly 25 tons. Find and fine the bozo and his company.
Are you sure that the weight of the bus was "at least three times" the 10 ton rating? A quick google has much lower values than that.
that states a typical (transit, can't find tour bus info) bus is curb weight of 20-33,000lb (10-16.5 tons), and GVWR 30-44,000lb (15-22 tons). Still way heavier than should be on the bridge, but 60,000lb/30 tons is far higher than I'd expect given that the maximum allowed weight for a semi (with far more axles) is generally 72,000lb/36 tons.
1st Photo of suspension bridge is looking "west" towards New Haven, the former name of the westside of Connellsville, PA. Crawford Ave. or Main St. is behind the photographer.
Fortunately, the bridge appears to have suffered no damage according to ARDOT, but the bus driver needs to fined at the very least
Found the jackpot of information, the tough part is access.
This bridge is located in Illinois Central valuation section WI-2. Complete circa 1917 bridge records can be found in College Park, Maryland:
In addition, the National Archives appears to have a complete set of bridge records for the entire IC system. These will likely provide a complete description and build date of the structure. Since this route was originally built by the Chicago, Madison & Northern, construction cost records between the 1880s and 1903 (Box 15, Folder 100/101). This source also seems to have a limited amount of IC bridge and culvert information, including contracts with Keystone Bridge Company for the Dubuque bridge:
In addition, there are inspection photos of Illinois Central bridges available at the University of Illinois
Valuation maps from the same year show that four more of the 122' trusses existed (two near Dodds, one confirmed identical span near Argyle, and one near Blanchardville). This mystery is certainly possible to crack.
It's worth noting that John and I have been searching for confirmation on the link for a while (>2yrs), to no avail, but design cues + proximity, as well as the fact the owning bridge company sold off the 1870s Pratts after replacement gives both John & I a solid basis for our hunch.
I'd misread the source that mentioned Linville & Bollmann in the same breath.
Linville was the designer/engineer for the PRR (Not the B&O) starting in 1862, and stopping in 1865 when Keystone formed.
It's very unlikely that any of the spans in question came from the PRR.
I’ve been searching for something to conform or deny the possibility it came from Dubuque. An Illinois Central valuation map from 1918 gives the stations of these trusses, which are a pair of 122’ spans. However, the spans in question were seen at the bottom of the river in the 1911 photo. Is it possible they were saved and rebuilt? Is it possible they could have been “cut down” from 250’ (length of the Dubuque spans) to 122’? Or are the 122’ measurements from the valuation map for a replacement bridge? Preliminary research has been unsuccessful in confirming or denying it. There are however quite a few trusses that were on this branch line.
Information supplied from official railroad blueprints for various railroads certainly provides the possibility for unique situations. I’ve seen blueprints of bridges lengthened, strengthened, shortened, converted between deck and through trusses and girders, and many other unique situations. Railroad engineers were very creative, giving us a plethora of unique structures. Unfortunately, many of these ended up on branch lines which were removed and the bridges scrapped.
The portals and design would seem to match the Dubuque bridge. Some bridges used very unique designs not seen on other bridges. Could this be one, or was it a standardized design to an extent?
I’ll look into and see what records I can find for this railroad. However, it may be hard to find pre-1911 information. It really varies by company. Some I’ve had tremendous luck on (Milwaukee Road, Chicago & North Western, Santa Fe, etc). I’ve also had some railroads with zero luck (Rock Island).
Let's catch the stupid bus driver for crossing this fragile bridge with an overloaded tour bus, shall we? This is SO not cool! https://bridgehunterschronicles.wordpress.com/2018/10/16/ove...
Built 1909, from a Railway Age article of the same year.
Patent 34183 with its cast iron upper chord is pre civil war; 50723 is post civil war with Keystone Columns. This one and possibly one other govern the first generation of bridges across the Ohio and Mississippi rivers that Keystone did.
PS. When was Linville with the B&O? Could these recycled spans come from a B&O based bridge?
The original bridges - yes. What is the evidence that these sections were from that bridge?
Here are two patents awarded to Linville.
This appears to be the original Linville Patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US34183A/en?oq=USNNo.+34%2... ()
This appears to be the early/basic Linville & Piper varaint patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US50723A/en?oq=US50%2c723
And you'd be wrong that Keystone didn't make it:
And this Structuremag article says that Linville himself designed it, so I'm fairly certain that it's a further evolution of his own truss design, as Linville, like Wendell Bollman (Whom he replaced at B&O) he was fond of using his own designs over any other design:
Further supporting that idea is this historic article, which mentions Linville & Piper trusses as an option, so I think these may be smaller scale versions of the L-P truss, which I've yet to find a patent diagram for (And the article with the most info is locked behind the ASCE's paywall.
Something isn't right. Note the Phoenix style plaque on the main span.
While I highly doubt Keystone made this bridge, it definitely does not conform to the Linville patents. The design details are different. The way the bridge, especially the lower cord is connected and rigged is very different than Linville.
To me this looks like Phoenix's version of a bridge designed to PRR's spec.
While I highly doubt Keystone made this bridge, it definitely does not conform to the Linville patents. The design details are different.
It seems like some of the spans of further variants (Such as the later (Linville-Piper Whipple) may have been reused.
Two deck spans from Steubenville were reused as a road bridge in Pittsburgh ( https://bridgehunter.com/pa/allegheny/bh83120/), and John and I have already documented several of the spans of the Illinois Central's original Dubuque bridge were relocated, though none of the Linville ones seem to exist, with most being replaced ( https://bridgehunter.com/ia/linn/coggon/; https://bridgehunter.com/ia/linn/bh60489/ ) or some being lost to flooding ( https://bridgehunter.com/wi/green/bh81901/ ).
Additionally, there was a Linville truss at Painesville, Ohio that was the basis for someone's graduating thesis at the State University of New York, but there's no reference to the line using it.
( https://books.google.com/books?id=gDgdAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA316&dq=g... )
I think this one conforms to Linville's 1862 patent 34,183.
I believe that Mead Ave ( http://bridgehunter.com/pa/crawford/mead-avenue/ )is the only bridge still in existence that fully conforms to this patent (I suspect it also has the shortest spans of the design). The Valley Road Bridge on the Stewartstown Railroad ( http://bridgehunter.com/pa/york/valley-road/ ) is close but is a Pratt pony and the lower cord and its connections may be different.
Art, can you label imgs 5 & 12 as being shots of the Linville patent truss?
Here's a ASCE scan of a plate showing the design of a Linville variant.
The new bridge is open to traffic. The original through truss lift span has been disassembled and floated downstream. The truss approach spans, piers/abutments, and towers remain, although tower demolition is in progress.
I stopped by on a ride yesterday. Holy crap the bridge moves a lot when cars/trucks drive over it, I sure wouldn't be willing to drive something that weighed 5 tons (the limit) over it.
People are also dumb and drive over it before the previous vehicle is off. I don't think there are signs saying not to, but still...
Well, it would appear that the bridge status was never changed to “closed” since I posted my previous comment on August 20th.
However, I am pleased to announce that the bridge has been reopened to traffic, although the swing span reportedly is not currently operational.
You can photograph this bridge as it is not in Fort Leonard Wood itself
This bridge is nearing the end of its lifespan. Seen a bunch of construction equipment on both sides of the river, including a big crane. Start looking into changing the status pretty soon, maybe end of the year to sometime in spring 2019.
Journey in “Faithfully” used these I-80 Twin Tunnels in Green River, Wyoming for their official music video.
Tried to enhance it two more ways. Added the two new ones plus one of the previously posted photos to the bridge file.
Been a while since I've posted--gotta retrain the operator.
For some reason your enhanced image isn't attached to this bridge. I think it does help. Can you enhance the other one as well?
Does this help?
This one has been lost.
The Moxham Historic District is located directly south of this bridge.
Tractor-trailer gets stuck in Tennerton bridge
State police: load measured 14 feet, 7 inches -- 5 inches taller than bridge designed to accommodate
By Katie Kuba - October 11, 2018
Truck stuck in bridge
Crews and a wrecker work to free parts of a large truck load that got snagged in the Tennerton bridge that crosses the Buckhannon River near the middle school.
TENNERTON — The truck got stuck.
In simple terms, that’s exactly what happened Thursday morning when a tractor-trailer with too tall a load attempted to cross the Tallmansville Bridge that extends across the Buckhannon River on Tallmansville Road.
Investigating officer Cpl. T.A. Menendez with the Buckhannon detachment of the West Virginia State Police said the accident happened at 10:20 a.m., when a tractor-trailer being driven by Victor King, of Georgia, attempted to drive across the Tallmansville Bridge – but didn’t quite make it.The tractor-trailer’s load measured 14 feet, 7 inches tall – five inches taller than the 14 feet, 2 inches the bridge is designed to handle, Menendez said. A large piece of metal that was being transported atop the truck crashed into the top of the bridge, hitting it “pretty hard,” the officer added.
The impact of the metal piece caused the load chains and binders to go “flying everywhere,” Menendez said. “We are lucky the load never hit the pavement because we could have been in some real trouble.”
Menendez said West Virginia Department of Highways officials; members of the Buckhannon Fire Department and Washington Volunteer Fire Company; and West Virginia Public Service Commission officials were all on scene working together to free the truck and its load from the bridge.
They were eventually successful.
Menendez wrote King a citation for over height, he said, because according to state law, if a truck or tractor-trailer is carrying a load that exceeds 13 feet, 6 inches in height, the driver or company is required to apply for and secure a permit.
A tractor-trailer with such a tall load must also be escorted by a pilot truck, the corporal said.
“He was exactly 1 foot, 1 inch over the limit where you’re required to get a permit and have a pilot truck. He was from Georgia, so I just think he didn’t know the law around here,” Menendez said of King.
“He was able to drive away from the scene, but he won’t be able to get back on the road until he gets that permit and has a pilot truck,” the officer added.
Menendez said King had been headed from a mining operation near Ten Mile to the Robbins Company, located on Mattsville Road in Glen Daniels, W.Va. The truck belongs to a company called Spectrum Express in Illinois, he added.
The Tallmansville Road – including the bridge – is now reopen, firefighter John Brugnoli with the BFD confirmed Thursday afternoon.
“People can travel all the way from Route 20 through Tallmansville now,” he said.
I had checked that. I couldn't find a High Fall, NJ and High Falls, NY is elsewhere.
Visually many points correspond. Maybe High Fall NJ where card printed? Going to say 74.6 % probability ! Any one else?
Dom & Dana,
I found a second stereo view image that looks exactly like the first but looking upstream (note the railing, piers and dam). However, it is labeled High Fall, NJ. I think the label is incorrect. What to do you think?
It would Appear as if James has fixed "aim ability" in Street view addition. WOOT WOOT!
Located in the village of Pioneer, Williams County, Ohio.
Does anyone know what that huge polygonal through truss in the background of some of these photos is?
This bridge is fun to drive over, but it is definitely a white knuckle ride. I was in Paducah and Metropolis last week, and I was tempted to drive over it again just for the fun of it. I decided not to as I was in a hurry. I just used the I 24 bridge on this trip.
Ironically, my route took me over the two Cairo Bridges. Those are fun too, but they were both carrying a lot of traffic this time.
Jeremy, your photo of the bridge through the weeds is Beautiful !
This entry is for the tunnel itself, which is wholly in Westmoreland County.
Bow Ridge Tunnel Bridge was actually located in Indiana County, PA not Westmoreland County.
I am not scared of bridges. This bridge is the exception. I had been across it before as a passenger but never a driver. About three years ago I drove across it. Wow. I do not know if I would ever do that again. The bridge seemed to last forever as I creeped along. I am ok with it as long as I am Not driving.
The original bridge was blown up in the late 80's or early 90's, and a new one was built next to the original location. The new one is the one in need of replacement, not the one built in 1949, which no longer exists.. Maybe it was meant to say 1994. My parent's lived at the mobile home park right there and we watched it all happen.
Looks like a pony truss
I've found the best strategy is to ask. I can't honestly recall ever being turned down, and more often than not the people are more than happy to talk about "their" bridge. There's a number of bridges where I've withheld pictures for a period of time, particularly to avoid ruffling the feathers of anyone who may object.
It's pretty common for plowing to encroach on public rights of way. Rural folks (I was once among them) actively discourage people from coming around their property due to the ease with which thefts can occur in isolated areas. The county highway department has the legally correct information on where the public can freely travel.
You don't need a plat book. The online GIS and a verification call to the county should get accurate information.
The road to this bridge on the west side has been completely removed and is now a corn field. You have to walk up the hill to get to it. The woman chewed me out on Facebook and said she is reporting it to the owner. I will be obtaining a plat book to do more research. For now I would just stay away. Also the road is currently under weather to it.
The bridge is closed as of 12 Oct 18 due to damage from flood debris.
I've seen occasional mistakes due to slow updates, but it might be worth a call to the county to verify ownership. Their GIS shows this bridge and roadway as county property.
I have a photo of the barricade that is 500 feet from the bridge. I chose to not post it due to obscenities on it.
Island Wooden Bridge Park
My Son Isaac and his beautiful prom date Carissa
See my photo here, you can see what appear to be concrete blocks that are stuck in some of the holes. https://historicbridges.org/illinois/sbrr/p1460456.jpg
I assume the holes in the counterweight are/were intended for adjusting the weight of the span. Most bascule bridges have a method for adjusting span balance to accommodate changes in weight over service life, this might be changes in deck design, railing, mechanical adjustments that affect balance (new lock motors, etc).
Bridge is now only accessible from the west. The road on the east is closed and returned to nature.
The true mystery is why there are a bunch of holes in the weights....
Basically I have a Mystery Location Whipple Postcard lol.
Thanks to everyone for their help. I had not considered Possum Bridge as an option. I was 2 when it was torn down and do not remember it. I have not found any photos of it as of yet.
I concur with Art.
You made an educated guess with what information you had, and you're correcting it with the discovery of new information.
That's part of this hobby and knowledge in general.
No apologies are nessecary.
A relative worked for him many years ago & mentioned him in a story I remembered. I saw the comment when Brian posted his photos & I asked my relative if this was the same guy & they said yes. We looked up the obit on google.
No apologies necessary. This is part of the process of figuring things out. Once we do, we'll have a picture of a another bridge that once existed in the area. When you get/post current pictures of this one, we will know, definitively, which of your older pictures is of this bridge.
Portals are entirely different on the bridge in your postcard and the old Main Street Bridge: https://bridgehunter.com/il/white/bh69821/
Could've been the Possum Bridge to the South: https://bridgehunter.com/il/white/possum/
I am now wondering if the first postcard photo I posted was of the Lost Whipple over Main Street in Carmi ? Once again, I apologize for basing my information off of notes on the card from over 100 years ago. Obviously going forward I will be more cautious.
Thank you, I appreciate your help. I apologize again for the mistake.
From historicaerials.com, the southern hill portion is still in use on their 1968 photo. The next available image is in 1993, where it looks like the northern road is in place. Unfortunately that's a 25 year window, at least that narrows it down a little.
The first postcard picture you posted is a Whipple. The second is a Pratt. This would suggest that the pictures are not of the same bridge.
I'm not Bennett Brauer (Chris Farley character) either.
Well, I'm definitely no "foamer", I'm not an "expert", I'm not the "source of previous comments on this page" and I'm not "a local resident", but HAER's photo caption may need to be explained by one of the "above".
Particularly the "In conjunction" part...
Merriam Webster says:
"in conjunction with
Definition of in conjunction with
: in combination with : together with
The concert will be held in conjunction with the festival.
The medicine is typically used in conjunction with other treatments."
8. DETAIL OF CONCRETE COUNTERWEIGHT WHICH WAS OPERATED IN CONJUNCTION WITH BOTH OF BASCULE SPANS OF THE B & O AND THE ST. CHARLES AIRLINE, LOOKING SOUTHEAST - Baltimore & Ohio Railroad, Chicago Terminal Railroad, South Branch of Chicago River Bridge, Spanning South Branch of Chicago River, Chicago, Cook County, IL
(I am a bit of a smartass on occasion. Sorry about that.)
I suggest we add 360 photo support.
My apologies to my fellow bridgehunters. After further research the Lowe Bridge appears to Not be a Whipple. This photo appeared in a book published in 2007 about the history of White County Illinois.
These foks would know dimensions
Thanks for the updated pictures Janis!
Well Lawmakers are back talking about replacement it would be bad to see this bridge replaced by a UCEB.
My grandmother was originally from Sullivan County, Indiana and was born in 1939, the same year as the bridge was built. When I was a child we would travel North up Route 1 from Maunie, White County, Illinois to see her family in Fairbanks, Shelburn and Sullivan Indiana. I was always excited to cross this bridge. It is one of my earliest memories of loving and appreciating Historical Bridges. My mother preferred to take 41 North but my grandmother and I preferred to take what she referred to as the Scenic Route via Hutsonville.
I Like that "Ruminations of Foamers"
ADMINISTRATOR needs to DELETE the silly comments on his site that claim falsehoods - i.e., that "...both bridges share a counterweight."
Scores of people look to this site for accurate information - not stupid ruminations of uneducated foamers.
Thought you might like this most recent update (09 Oct. 2018) projecting the new Neversink River Bridge in Port Jervis is now expected to be completed in about a year.
Information was provided to me by the Milwaukee Road Archives, including blueprints showing the relocation and reconstruction of the five steel spans of this bridge. I have included the information provided in the entry.
https://edcgov.us/County%20Press%20Releases/Pages/Silver-Fork-Road-bridge-repair-.aspx does it qualify as "lost" if they're replacing girders? I imagine so, and that's why this is already marked as "lost". Should a date of 2018 be added?
Plaque on 1913 truss bridge over west branch of Westfield River by Berlin Bridge Company