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Bridge remains in place as of 2017 aerial imagery..
Looks like a late 1880s or early 1890s truss to me..
I read the Washington Post story and now understand why such strange language is used. Editing is a lost art in todays news papers. The author said "inoperable" when 'non-operated' or unoperated would have been more correct. So sometime following the closure of the Potomac to high profile craft, the draw bridge was rendered inoperable.
I read the article about this bridge being possibly renamed.Seems A lot of people are against the Cuomo name on this bridge.We will see what happens,won't we?
This page is going to be a work in progress...this mystery bridge appears to be a straight concrete through girder that was built for pedestrians.
6.) Egro (therefore) (10-25-2017)
10.) Slippin’ Slab ( 4-27-2017)
Ok, here are a bunch of pictures of both the bridge (from different angles) and the pile of "stuff" that is nearby, being overtaken by vines, rose bushes, and trees. I hope you all find this interesting. Thanks!
6.) Egro (therefore) (10-25-2017)
Looks like a Groton Bridge Company bridge to me.
Bridge damaged by hurricane Matthew and is still unrepaired.
While part of the Cedar River Rail Trail, this is actually a former highway bridge. When Washington highway SR-169 was realigned and widened in the early 1990s, 2 railroad bridges were removed, one a through truss bridge similar to Cedar River Trail Bridges #1 and #3 and a through plate girder rail bridge just to the west where the former 2 lane highway passed under the railroad line at an angle. During the road widening project the railroad grade/trail was realigned to allow for the wider highway. To cross the highway, the trail alignment now crosses over this former highway bridge, then loops back under it and the newer wider highway bridge.
The AHR-KC report in sources refers to a court record giving ca.1870 for the build date. We have another nearby: http://bridgehunter.com/mo/cass/camp-branch/
For posterity, my backing of John's splitting entries argument is based off this https://books.google.com/books?id=BXNJAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA252&dq=e... which shows that only the substructure dates to 1875, and we date by superstructure, not substructure.
Very recent imagery of the 2nd and 3rd (or 3rd and 4th) bridges here.
(Posted on Rochester reddit two days ago by the photographer himself.)
My understanding is that this replacement became necessary as a direct result of the shale oil boom in the southern tier and that the NYS/Letchworth State Park officials were not the least bit interested in preserving the old span as a pedestrian walkway at any point in the process.
If you are familiar with this area you just might want to go sniffing around the internet for pictures of it during Hurricane Agnes in 1972; particularly the Middle Falls.
Historic media refers to the current iteration as the third and mentions it was a reconstruction.: https://books.google.com/books?id=X1E0AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA1184&lpg...
Not convinced it was replaced as added to. Not sure though, 4 bridges with additions makes logical progression.
I actually think there should be a fourth, the 1903-present structure. If the entire superstructure was replaced in 1903, I would consider it a separate bridge from the 1875 structure. I'm not quite sure why everyone calls the existing bridge an 1875 structure.
This really should now be split into 3 bridges.
1) Erie RR wood trestle built 1851-2. Burned May 6th 1875
2) Current bridge as of two days ago! opened July 31st 1875 closed December 10th
3) New NS Arch
If the iron was replaced by steel in 1903, wouldn't that indicate the bridge was replaced at this time?
Finally visited here, 12-08-17; very well maintained, two track gravel road from MO Rt M south to it. Bridge has new bolts installed. Wing walls & deck are in decent shape.
This is exactly what I was thinking. these alterations would make sense to reduce a bridge from double to single track.
This is not far from my dentist in Shelbina, so I visit here somewhat frequently. Shot some video here this visit, bridge is very unique with its' tall sides and picturesque setting.
19.) Bwahahaha tee heee heeeee. Hoo hoo hoooooo (snort!) Bwahahahaha hahaha! (11-28-17)
21.) Le Herp Derp (1-06-2017)
24.) Movie Railing ( 1-15-2017)
30.) ASSHTO (4-28-2017)
The vertical members are lightweight built-up members which I would anticipate seeing on an 1883 Bridge. The sway bracing is composed of large rolled beams which I would not anticipate on an 1883 bridge.
For a bridge that was constructed in 1883, this one is very heavy even by railroad bridge standards.
I suspect that it might have had some parts replaced when it was moved. The portal bracing and much of the lateral bracing looks a little heavy for 1883 even though this is a railroad bridge. Railroad bridges often had portal bracing replaced as trains got taller so this would not be a surprising alteration.
There was a google maps street view attached to this bridge listing that I just removed. This listing is for a BNSF railroad bridge that’s a bit east of the 2nd street bridge.
According to an annual report from 1883, the bridge was built double track. It appears that it was cut down in 1902 to a single track, including rebuilt portals.
Just added this one. On the view on Google Earth you can see where the abandoned alignment of US 40-National Road crosses a creek with a bridge. Now the old alignments of Nationl Road in this area are usually original arch bridges. So can one figure this out? Is this one of those?
This bridge was demolished and replaced this past summer.
They look like cruciform outriggers to me. I am curious as to whether the date of Circa 1870 has been confirmed or not. I would expect a Circa 1870 iron bridge in this area to have been a Bowstring. I am not saying that a Pratt truss would not have been built in 1870, but the Bowstring was still the bridge of choice at that time.
In addition, I am not seeing any cast-iron members or cast-iron assemblies that would suggest a Circa 1870 construction date. Overall, this bridge looks more like an 1880s or 1890s bridge to me. It just happens to have some cruciform members which were popular in the 1870s.
If this bridge was in fact built in the 1870s then it would have been extremely significant, but even in 1890s bridge with cruciform outriggers is highly significant and worthy of preservation. Either way, it is too bad that this bridge was demolished.
This looks like an 1880s Wrought Iron Bridge Company product. I am thinking that the date of 1908 is way off. Perhaps that was a rehab date or a move date.
Thanks luke.There are composite metals that are used in all kinds of applications.I forgot about wood and metal as in bridges.
Not as noteworthy as some but was intrigued by name Lake Chaubunagungamaug
Dana is correct. When trusses are referred to as "combination" or "composite", they're referring to the mixed use of timber and metal parts.
You have a good point there,Dana and Kay.Didn't look at it that way.Thanks.
You are right,Dana and Kay.Being from Bucks County I am familiar with Lehigh County.
Believe it may refer defer to composite of wood and metal probably Iron. Will defer to more knowledgeable pontists for definitive answer.
Clark, Lehigh PA county appears to be FULL of small span Tee Beems. Added just a few that I liked. I know they can be debated as to inclusion. PA Concrete workers seem to have put a touch of art into their work 1910s to 1920s.
I have a question.I see the word composite used in the pictures of this bridge.I've dealt with composite metals in the past.Is this bridge made out of composite materials?From what I remember composite metals are more than one metal.
Upvote for the unusual railing.
Does photo six show a cruciform outrigger?
31.) MADK (8-23-2017)
33.) Corrugated Multi Plate (5-08-2017)
34.) Dummy Line (10-18-2017)
35.) Movable up, removeable down (4-10-2017)
36.) Skee-Jawed (10-24-2017)
39.) Headache Bar (5-08-2017)
44.) Poop Quake (1-03-2017)
It seems like this railroad built multiple wooden truss bridges- there is another that is abandoned farther down the line. Who knows, there may have been even more than these two! https://bridgehunter.com/va/cumberland/cartersville/
Is this a rare wooden railroad truss? It certainly seems to to me!
'Scuse me, sir. We need the space occupied by your body. We'll make a great digital record of you then dispose of your actual body. You may start speaking....
Never can tell. I suggest leaving it up so that someone may be inspired to make a visit and see what it is.
The Davis Street Ferry went from Carondelet in St. Louis City to East Carondelet, IL. St. Louis County was not part of the equation.
34.) Dummy Line (10-18-2017)
Probably just aprivate frankenbridge then. Delete?
Historicaerials shows a junkyard on the east bank in the 1960s
They’re all high-fiving themselves because they “preserved it digitally”!! EPIC FAIL
Good to know Clark - looked a little off limits, and was essentially told as so, will head up to check out old trail path
The Nov 13, 2017 edition of The New Yorker has a nice article on the project.
West end leads to Minor Park where you can still see the path worn by wagons heading up the hill after coming through the ford as they moved along the Santa Fe Trail. Not private at all--enjoy.
So, the age old question:
Is it a Kingpost or a Waddell Wannabe? Either way, it is another bizarre paired angle bridge.
New bridge opened to traffic 9-1-17.
Visited today posted photos of the new urban walkway that has been created along the bridge, the west end quickly dead ends into private land now. Love locks have taken over the railings and other miscellaneous spots all over the bridge there must be thousands of them now. Fresh coat of paint, looking good, great attraction for the county and Minor Park.....Mr. Truman would be proud still
This is a real tragedy. Utah has very few historic bridges, and I never knew (nor apparently did anyone on BridgeHunter) that this forest service land had a rare Kingpost pony truss, and I only found out about it because of a news article about its demolition. This is shameful on the part of the Forest Service. A bridge this small and rare should at least have restored and been preserved in a new location.
Thanks for the comments and the information/education. I'll try to get some pictures this weekend and I'll post them back here.
The broken plaque on this bridge indicates a post-1910 American Bridge Company structure
The bridge might already have been removed before '36. It looks like the preferred crossing for the MEC became the current bridge at Fairfield when that was built in 1916, making the crossing in question redundant. I haven't been able to find any info on its fate though
I was unable to find the dimensions online
There seems to have been a bridge upriver, behind the Maine central RR car shops. This photo was taken after the 1936 flood. No mention of the bridge being destroyed by the flood on the website I found it on.
The supports still stand.
33.) Corrugated Multi Plate (5-08-2017)
Former Wellsvile, Addison & Galeton RR bridge. The railroad was abandoned in 1972.
This bridge has been rebuilt and is now part of the WAG rail trail
Built by the Buffalo & Susquehanna RR circa 1905.
After finding out about the loss of this bridge, I sought out any info on any other bridges that may have built by this shipbuilder-turned-bridge-builder, and turned up the following:
"Decorah - The contract for constructing 10 I-beam bridges with reinforced concrete abutments was awarded to the Dubuque Boat & Boiler Works, Dubuque, at $14,269"
Sadly the NBI shows no steel stringers built in 1916, so it seems these disappeared as well.
"Repairing the bridge could cost somewhere between $80,000 and $190,000 depending on the scale of repairs. Moon said if everything goes perfectly, the repair work could begin in about six months. If not, it could take a year or so.
Replacing the bridge could cost $1.5 million or more. In the best case scenario, it would be 18 months before construction starts on a new bridge, Moon said."
"To Sanders, the county has four options: repair the bridge; start the process of replacing it; acquire the land the bridge is on, which is slightly more expensive than replacing the bridge; or find a way to work with the city of Ames to turn its private road near the water plant back into a public road the county would maintain.
“I don’t particularly like any of those options, but that’s the only four options that I see,” he said"
This bridge is the old bridge to Washington, MS. Never a rr brige. Have deed map of 1848 showing two locations. let me know if you are interested in the deed map.
This bridge, even though it is located where present-day I-195 goes, it did not carry I-195, mostly for the reason that interstates didn't exist until the 1950's, over 60 years after this bridge's demise. If it did once carry an interstate, that would be highly illogical and dangerous!
Very well put; I couldn’t agree more. People from every political affiliation are contributors to this site, but despite those differences, we all have the same thing in common—we love and treasure our historic bridges, and that will never change. Political comments create division, no matter what side you’re on. As I’ve said before, whining about political stuff is what Facebook is for (which I ignore completely, so it doesn’t affect me!); Bridgehunter is not the place for it.
............Rename it Grover Cleveland Bridge!
In some respects I am almost glad when these bridges get closed. Closure is almost a relief given the string of oversized vehicle attacks we've had in the last few years.
This bridge is still public apparently, but in Kansas many bridges like this get transferred to private ownership. Ironically, being transferred to private ownership has probably saved several bridges from demolition and replacement (looking at you Clarks Creek Whipple Truss).
Although these private bridges will eventually collapse, at least the transfer of ownership might buy them a few years or if were lucky a few decades.
The only downside to closure of course is a lack of maintenance. Yet, how many of these old iron bridges are really getting maintained?
Status on this one also does need to be changed to "closed"....bit of a rough road approaching from east, and impossible from west, large mound and cave-in as mentioned preventing any possible vehicle crossing, sketchy at best on foot or bike
Status does need to changed to "closed" - If you didn't know better you would head in that direction and look at the map and like to cross there, which is very much not possible with road closed on both ends
aaah....good stuff. Love the story.
The county GIS website doesn't show this road, suggesting that it is private:
The old series MoDOT map of St. Charles County does show this road, but uses the dotted line symbol for a private road.
The new series MoDOT map does not show this road:
This bridge is not listed in the National Bridge Inventory.
The Census Bureau's TIGER dataset does not show this road -- which is rather odd since it includes both public and private roads.
Google Maps does label this road as Bastean Road, but I believe that's a mistake. The county GIS map shows another Bastean Road to the east leading to a subdivision, and that is a public road. It appears that Google Map is confused, which is not that unusual.
All signs point to this being a private drive.
As per an article printed in the Reading Eagle cracks were found along with crumbling concrete with exposed rebar.I did report in a prior post about seeing cracks in the bridge.Now comes the fun part.An engineering company will inject penetrating sealant into the cracks.I didn't know this but the cost for this bridge project went over budget by $3.2 million.Luckily PennDOT picked up the cost.
Hey folks. I hate to be critical of edits and contributions on here, but I really think we should keep politicians names out of status updates unless a politician is directly involved with the bridge.
I know there are people on here who don't like president Trump. Likewise, I know there are people on here who are proud supporters of President Trump. That aside, unless president Trump has a bridge named after him, swings a wrecking ball at a bridge, or makes a bridge great again, I really think we should not make comments about him in status updates.
Au contraire: This bridge is scheduled to be replaced with another faux pax arch bridge similar to the Grand Avenue Bridge. The old structure will be demolished in 2018 and completion of new bridge is scheduled for 2020. More here: https://urbandsm.com/downtown/locust-street-bridge-replaceme...
Last time I was here the sign at Rt P entrance claimed it was a private drive. I have a fellow rail fan who said owner has called county sheriff on anyone on this road. That was 10 yrs ago. Dead end road but pretty sure it is maintained by county. At the north end of this road was a 2nd bridge (at one time) over Big Creek StL&HRR Bridge No. 116, from there the RR went to Owen. Big Creek was a 62' Thru girder w a 13 pile approach on one end and a 12 pile approach on the other.
Private property per the county GIS. Owner contact info can be found there as well.
Looking to buy a Clinton Bridge and Iron Works sign for a holiday gift. Does anyone happen to have any leads on one?
Bridge has been reopened to limited traffic
I don’t necessarily buy that this is a private bridge. I know some landowners like marking property that isn’t theirs. If google has an actual name for the road, I would assume that the road still shows up as public on recent GIS surveys, to the best of my knowledge.
At the moment, this is the best photo I have. This is a digital scan of an old school photo I took in 2009. Hopefully, I can get a better one(s) in the near future.
For those interested in a detailed discussion of bridge types and other information, head on over to Nathan Holth's page:
This link will provide discussions of overall design as well as detail/assembly design.
Alright, which one of you folks created this? Fess up now.
It sounds like it might have been shortened to fit this crossing, as that would explain the extra bridge parts lying around. That would also explain why this only has 1 set of counters (if it was the first panel of a longer pratt pony), and also why its disproportionately tall for being such a short span.
Jeremy, if you can ever snag a picture or two of that parts pile that would surely help with figuring out the story behind this. In any event its certainly a neat little bridge!
I realized I never posted an interesting history I learned about this bridge. The bridge clearly is a Morse Bridge Company bridge, the portal bracing is identical to Michigan's Six Mile Creek Bridge's unusual portal bracing, right down to the place where the builder plaque belongs (which is mysteriously missing). What made this story interesting is Montana DOT's historian Jon Axline totally countered the idea that Morse built the bridge... he provided proof that Security Bridge Company erected the bridge in 1908. However we cannot deny the Morse Bridge Company details, the portal bracing is too unique to dismiss. I therefore believe that Security Bridge Company erected a reused and slightly altered Morse Bridge Company span. It is quite possible they did this unscrupulously, perhaps claiming that it was an all-new product. I believe they added the existing sway bracing (As a Morse bridge it may have originally had only upper laterals and no sway bracing or struts). They may also have carefully removed the Morse plaque to conceal the fact that it was a salvaged bridge.
Here is what Jon Axline told me:
Until October 1892, the future site of the Johnson/Kern’s Crossing Bridge was in the Crow Indian Reservation, which precluded any structures like this from being constructed. I did the research on the Johnson/Kern’s Crossing Bridge and can state conclusively that it was built in 1908 by the Security Bridge Company (Sweet Grass and Carbon counties let the contract in 1907). Attached is a copy of the Historic Property Form for the bridge, please note the sources used to determine the construction date.
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Truss types can be a bit confusing. I will try to find a chart and post it here. For some reason my smart phone is being difficult tonight and not letting me attach a link. If you have any questions about identifying truss types, the folks on here will be glad to help you out.
When I was first looking at bridges as a teenager, I really didn't know what I was doing. At that time I did not know a pin connected truss from a riveted one. It is all a learning process.
There are also two fords shown on the 1982 Bruner quad, one on each of the roads leading from the bridge site toward the schools.
I tracked down a map from 1939 which shows a Sherrow School located about a mile east of the original bridge site. (I've circled the bridge in red.) There was also a Roberts School located to the southeast. So the Sherrow Ford name makes sense.
Also, the lady gave us the name Sherrow Ford bridge, if that means anything to anyone. Not sure if that means anything to anyone...
Thanks for the kind words. Unfortunately, I'm not well educated about the bridge types and, frankly, I didn't even know that these older bridges existed until I bought this property and this bridge was on it. So the talk about five panel pratts and queenposts frankly go over my head. Sorry. Here's what I know:
I bought the property last year. The gentleman who put the bridge here died a few years ago and I bought the place from his kids who don't have any info about provenance.
My wife visited a local feed store a couple weeks ago and was visiting with the person behind the counter and when she found out where we lived, she gave us the location of where the Bridge came from, and the name "Roberts Ford". That's how I found this listing on BridgeHunter.com (mainly through googling) and some old google image searches. The timelines that the person at the feed store gave us line up with the rough timeframes that I know the gentlemen who passed away was working on the property (he also completely renovated the 1880 farmhouse that we live in around the same time). That is all to say that I don't have concrete proof that this is the same bridge, but I have local folks telling me it is, and circumstantial and anecdotal evidence that it likely is.
Also, the original location for Roberts Ford is only about 5 miles (give or take) from my house where the bridge is now.
I'll add that there is a big mess of unused bridge parts under a tree on the property. I'm assuming they are parts that the guy didn't use. If anyone on here is local(ish) and has a desire to see what is here, feel free to contact me.