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Looks like maybe photos 2,3,4 and 5 are of another bridge
I don't think picture #2 is of this bridge. I believe it is Farm Creek Bridge here: https://bridgehunter.com/il/tazewell/bh68529/.
Im going to walk back my previous statement about the cars being gone. I think I was looking at an earlier photo not later photo, sorry
Also, every photograph that is not pre-1923 is automatically covered by Copyright. All images should be considered to be "all rights reserved" unless marked differently. An image with no label should automatically be considered as "all rights reserved".
Better yet, just ask permission to use the photograph if you want to post it here.
Even better yet, just post a link to the photographs.
You are wrong. If an image is marked "all rights reserved", then you cannot use it for any purpose even if you cite the source.
I have not taken the time to track down whether or not these images are all rights reserved or not. They look like professional images that are likely protected by copyright.
As a contributor to this website, you have an obligation to ensure that you have permission to post all text and photographs that you contribute. We do not want the webmaster to receive any DMCA Takedown Notifications.
If you did get permission to post the photographs, you need to explain this clearly - not just post the source.
My personal policy is that I never post any photographs that I do not take unless I can prove that the images is in the public domain.
Believe me, I’ve seen a lot worse. As far as UCEB’s and UCEB-like bridges go, this one scores near the top of my list.
I never said I endorse the demolition of the original bridge (and for the record I don’t), but I’m logging the replacement bridge primarily so that if anyone is using this website as a travel guide or something the information is up-to-date. Kind of like how on your website, on the Chicago bascule bridges that are modern, you say “This Bridge is listed only for continuity of those using this website for a river tour”.
Royce,I plan on being up in that area later this year because i do alot of fishing up in that area and my fiancee wants to go to the railroad museum up that way.I was basically curious about the bridges,rail and railcars.Also if you say the cars are gone then the rails are probably being used.I've seen rails down here in Reading Pa being used for storage.Thanks again,Royce.
I can't believe anyone would add this bridge to any website. What an ugly bridge that replaced one of the most beautiful truss bridges I have ever seen...
It should have been named the "Projectile Vomit Memorial Bridge."
Do you have permission to use these photographs?
If you also look at the page you linked, you'll also notice that you have to pay to use stock imagery to obtain licensing.
You only become a licensee when you pay to use the photograph. Right clicking does not make you a licensee.
The current bridge does have some significance, most of which is due to the nice jellyfish graffiti near the southwest corner of the structure.
I trust that PENNDOT will take great care to preserve the jellyfish via a clearcoat sealant. This will allow the most significant part of the bridge to be preserved as a public display in 2066 when the bridge is at the end of its 50 year lifespan.
A couple of questions:
What is the significance of this bridge?
Did you have permission to post the photograph?
I know this is UCEBish and that a lot of people were opposed to the demolition of the old bridge... however it seems fairly customary to list the replacement bridge for a demolished historic bridge
Besides, the girder is made of steel, not concrete, and has an interesting curve to it, and therefore is not technically a UCEB
I always have a good feeling about crossing through truss bridges because I can see what's holding the bridge up! When I look at the steel girders surrounding me I feel secure and protected. Modern bridge design seems to have the goal of making the road appear to float in air as if supported by magic, which always makes me nervous.
Needs paint as protection so that it isn't mistaken for a bridge that needs replacing.
Luke,I have a couple of questions.First,I followed the rail and saw a spur that deadended at the coal yard which looks like it's being used partially by Lackawanna recycling.I noticed rail cars behind the building.Are they abandoned along with the rail?Also I saw another bridge which i was wondering if it was also on bridgehunters.Thanks for any help.
One of my favorite photo spots.
What's everyone's opinion of the new "idiot bar"? Certainly better than getting wacked again
Photos taken April 2018
Photos taken April 2018.
Nice Shots, Thanks for sharing.
Luke,thank you for the bridge you listed.
I doubt this bridge is going to get any effort to be preserved, considering it's history.
I took this photo of the bridge on Apri1 8, 2018.
looks like odd mix of old and older....lattice looks older than this bridge, but way it's attached looks original - neat one that my GPS says is in fact technically in OK, but whatever - on State Line Rd. (aka Treece Rd.), not much traffic here, not much anything here
Duplicate of http://bridgehunter.com/ky/greenup/bh73362/
Also the new bridge is now open to traffic
Why is there no link to BridgeReports.com for this bridge? I just imported the NBI data, even though it said the data was already imported, and yet the link to BridgeReports didn’t appear, nor did the latest inspection results.
I took a look at this bridge and noticed another bridge next to this one.Is the other bridge I saw on Bridgehunter?
IMO both are needed, since "destroyed by ice" isn't an official status category (YET. It should be.)
1936 atlas viewable on historicaerials.com confirms it is.
Anyone know if this bridge is on an old alignment of US 72?
The new page looks good, I would make two other suggestions. 1. Pick one either destroyed by ice or destroyed by flood. 2. Since you have pics of the replacement bridge post a couple labeled current bridge or replacement bridge...
BH Photo #376353 (number 8) is of another bridge, not on this site.
I know now , that this was a very stupid thing to do, but back in the 70's, my two girlfriends and I jumped off of this bridge and swam to the side of the Little Miami river. It was a very hot summer and just something a lot of the kids were doing at the time for lack of anything else to do. I do believe that there were some others down there with us also, I just can't remember who it was so very long ago, but I do distinctly remember my two girlfriends being there. My name was Debi Link at the time.
I also remember my toes hitting the dirt at the bottom of the river, thank goodness that was all that hit the bottom!
Just thought I'd share this with you! So glad to have an awesome picture of the bridge now!
Then it's "Destroyed by flooding" with the "Destroyed by ice" subcategory added, not "preserved", as what's there now is new pedestrian construction, not what was there before being preserved.
Considering there's no "Photo added by" update, one can assume via context clues that Rachel was the original photographer.
Never mind, figured out how to do thumbnail.
Second part of comment regarding the unknown author still stands.
I can’t edit my photo to be the thumbnail, despite being able to do so on other bridges before.
Also, the fact that it is in the public domain is only part of the copyright information - ideally we also need to know WHO the author is.
"License: Public domain: Released by author"
Only the person that posted the pic or James can delete a pic. Generally, we just add the new pic, edit it to be the thumbnail and leave the old pics on the page
Imported NBI data, completed incomplete entry, added better photo from Wikimedia Commons
Can we delete that original photo? It’s ugly, doesn’t show the entire bridge, and we don’t even know the copyright status on the photo.
The bridge width negates your claim that it was a former road bridge, though, just like how the machinery height and narrowness of a span negated the Lawrence, MA bridge as being a "railroad bascule".
This replaced a road bridge, and, quite frankly, whatever was there before is probably more interesting than this pseudo-suspension.
Part of the Marvine Colliery.
Despite it being blurry, if you compare the bridge width in the 1951 imagery to the bridge width in 1992 imagery, you can see that the current structure is far narrower than what was there in 1951 (Or even the slightly-clearer 1974 imagery.).
I mean, Royce and I spent the better part of the past week arguing, and he recommended me in his reply to you.
People can disagree and still be respectful.
It's hard to be respectful when one takes the disagreement far too personally, as you continually have.
We appreciate your contributions, but if you're gonna pull the "time and money" card, both Royce (From the DFW-area, travels all over photographing (Cue Johnny Cash).), Nathan (From Michigan; Runs his own bridge site.), and John (From the MSP-area; Travels around the Midwest, juggling this hobby AND his university studies.) have you beat.
Did you take any measurements of the extant bridge - length, width, vertical clearance? Was there any evidence of a prior bridge on the stone pilings? Do you have a clear photo of the timber stringers or did you take note of their dimensions?
IIRC the LCRA runs the Delaware-Lackawanna Railroad, which already has a category.
I appreciate your passion and your enthusiasm. However, please don't tell me that I don't have a right to disagree with you. A number of us disagree and we don't all get along but that doesn't mean we don't have similar goals about bridge preservation and about this site.
Also, if you looked into it, you will find that quite a few here spend significant amounts of their time and/or money pursuing this hobby.
Please stay out of the tunnel for your safety. My aunt said be very careful where you go some of the neighbors are not so friendly.
This is far too narrow to have been a vehicular bridge.
Historicaerials shows a much wider bridge here in previous years.
I'm willing to compromise on a lot of things... have you ever noticed that I've deleted many of my bridge pages that you or Luke have said are "wrong" even though I know they weren't wrong? Did you notice that I removed the essay from the Pineground Bridge even though I strongly disagree with your rationale for requesting that I do so?
However, I will not compromise when I personally spent an hour out in the cold weather documenting and inspecting this bridge. I didn't even know it existed until I was poking around on Google Street View one day and noticed the "Bridge Closed" signs on either end of the street (which, BTW indicate that this is indeed a former vehicular bridge - if it was constructed just for pedestrian use, the entire road would've been blocked off except to the one or two people that live there)
As I said, I spent a good hour out in the cold documenting this bridge and determining which elements were functional and which elements were decorations. I never said that the bridge was a wire suspension bridge... however the wires are more than just "wires running through the railing". They are supplementing a small portion of the timber stringer on one end of the bridge. Additionally, the wooden towers are not decorations - they are part of the pier construction.
Honestly, IMHO you have no right to be arguing and criticizing me about a bridge that is not in the NBI that you have not personally visited and I have.
I'm kind of at the end of my rope here. If people don't start being appreciative for the time and money I've spend and continue to spend traveling across the country and documenting bridges, sometimes in the least of urban areas... congratulations.. you just lost a contributor.
I'm not wiling to compromise on this one.
I know what I saw and I know my eyes were not deceiving me. This page is staying as it is, unless Mr. Baughn says otherwise.
Newspaper reports state that two 40 foot spans collapsed on April 11th, 1945 due to floodwaters. These were on the Moncla side of the river as you approached the steel swing span. The bridge was never repaired. A ferry was used to cross until a newer bridge was built up river.
I'm only responding to your comment about the bridge carrying vehicular traffic. The bridge that originally sat on those abutments may have carried vehicular traffic, as it was considerably wider.
To me, it looks like the structure that is there now is for pedestrians and, maybe, golf carts.
This bridge clearly once was used by vehicular traffic - otherwise why would there be vehicular approaches to it with “Bridge Closed” signs on both sides?
Some of what you are saying *might* be valid if this page was based off external sources like many of mine have been, but it’s not valid when I made an ACTUAL SITE VISIT TO THE BRIDGE AND SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR DOCUMENTING IT. Did you even look at the photos I took, which clearly show a decorative wire suspension system?
Regardless if you think my work is sloppy, you don’t just go in and delete half of it without explaining in the update log and/or a comment. You want me to “discuss” your work; you need to discuss mine. How would you feel if I just went to one of your pages, deleted half of the content that you had spent time putting together, and didn’t offer any explanation whatsoever?
It was a cool night, according to the weather history, 65 degrees. And the car was found with the windows down but why on a cool night? Was a half-moon, waning, some light, but why was the car found with the windows rolled down? Her Purse and Keys were missing, What if, Angela was not there that night at all? What if she was murdered somewhere else, and her car was driven to the bridge in an effort to throw off police? I would guess whoever was driving it that night was a woman, which could have been wearing some of Angela's attire, shoes included. Blood could have been brought to the scene also and sprinkled around to make it look like a crime happened there. She was last seen at around 1am, so that would have been about 5 hours & 40 minutes that had transpired from when she was last seen to when her car was found at 6:40am. If so, then there has to be another party involved. Whenever Angela is located, I believe her purse will be with her, can't afford anyone to recognize it. Only her keys would be needed, and the driver as human nature would dictate probably put them in a pocket or purse. The crime probably happened not too long after Angela left the Pizza Hut parking lot, but the offending party did have time to come up with a plan. Question is, where is Angela's remains? I would guess at the very most, still in the local area. Time was ticking toward dawn, they had to get rid of the car, and couldn't leave it at the crime scene because that would betray the place of the crime, and those involved. Plus, they didn't have but maybe a few hours to hide the remains looking at a 6 hour time period, minus the time of the incident and the drive to the Bridge, and back. I think the chances would be greater of her being murdered during a heated domestic argument, in the heat of the moment, than on a rural road near a bridge where people just might be coming down the road and witness the event..
To tack a valid criticism onto that, "damaged by flooding" seems to be superfluous of "destroyed by flooding" IMHO.
In a conversation with board member of CCAC ( Concerned citizens of Allegany county) it was revealed this bridge is endangered. CCAC is a reduce reuse and recycling group and not involved in bridge restoration per say. Gave them this site info as well as Historicbridges.org , Bach steel etc. If a Mr. Sinclair reaches out to anyone know he is courteous professional broadly knowledgeable but not a bridge expert. I recommend him without reservation for any role in any project at any time. Dana Klein
This Bridge in danger or destruction.
I've been cycling all day.
Certainly agree. In the LONG view it did get local county state and federal reps there at dedication. Same people needed to SAVE a real bridge near there. More later.
Looks like Anonymous is going crazy and arguing with him(her)self...
Why shouldn't it be added? It is a beautiful bridge. This bridge runs south from Howard Beach across the Grassy Bay portion of Jamaica Bay to Broad Channel.
Why was this bridge even added?
Could not get good pix or video of this fellow. Too bad! Traffic sucked.
As an edit of my comment of 2016. During WWII Moton Field in Tuskegee, Alabama was used as a training base for Black pilots for the Army Air Corps. One of the pilots, flying an AT-6 attempted to fly under this bridge. He crashed and was killed. The backseat guy was injured, but alive. One of the black employees of the B&SE RR was working at a sand and gravel pit next to the river at this point and always told of seeing this second man holding his scalp in his hands.
I was able to find the page that says it's open to snowmobiles etc. It's what the page says. I'll try to post the link to it:
Wow. If they named that monstrosity in my honor, I'd be rolling over in my grave. UCEBish is mostly correct, you just need a space between the B and the i. UCEB. Ish. That is a more apt description!
Curious bridge here. Looking at picture 11, it appears that the bridge may be a steel deck girder, later encased in concrete. Thoughts?
alright alright I removed the essay.
Enough ripping apart my work.
Great Northern must have had a creative engineer in the 1920s. Both the build dates and rehabilitation dates are similar for this structure and this deck truss in Minnesota:
Was that a Robert "Frost" poem
Saw an article concerning this bridge in yesterday's Reading Eagle.The article stated that work on this bridge already is running 6 months behind schedule.Now a delay has come up concerning utility work.The coordination of the utility work set the $4.8 million project back 87 days and it would cost nearly $480,000 to get the bridge done on the original timeline.If and when I get further news I'll post it and let you all know.
Heed the plaintive cry of the intrepid bridgehunter thwarted in their quest to cast their steely eyes upon the beauty that is an historic truss bridge.
In springtime, mud and high water doth impede their progress; summer and autumn are rife with biting insects, woodland creatures, and excessive foliage, making photography truly difficult.
But winter is the harshest season of all; she painteth the earth in fluffy white powder and ice, an hindrance most cruel.
Will no one come forth and vanquish this evil frozen precipitation in timely fashion?
Will no one give succor to this weary wanderer?
Eh, snow happens. Then it melts.
Seems strange you can not navigate the town site.
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I brought this up at tonight’s Heritage Commission meeting, mentioning that the wintertime bridge closure despite lack of signage was causing confusion and arguments on BridgeHunter.com... as well as mentioning that someone from BridgeHunter.com reportedly claims the bridge is listed on the town website as open to snowmobiles, yet provided a dead link that gives 404 errors...
I was told that both issues “would be looked into” and that the Hertiage Commission will need to get in touch with the DPW for the first issue and the town webmaster regarding the second issue. The President of the Hertiage Commission has asked that I “inform all users of BridgeHunter.com that the issues are being looked into and that patience is greatly appreciated” (direct quote)
UCEBish. Asked to add by friend of Deceased. LOCALLY significant for name not so much bridge design. Will remove if wishes of community
I know you have plenty of photos in the gallery, however I just wanted to share a couple I shot recently. This bridge has been long time favorite of mine. Hope you enjoy the photos.
this is what the URL looks like for me
i agree about the no more UCEB.
Note that this collapse is old news. There is currently a UCEB in place and all is open.
I notice that you don't have a picture of the Midland Valley Trestle over Myers Creek. I have attached a color photograph of the bridge. I expect the photo to be credited to the Tannie Olsen photo collection and you do have my permission to post it as part of your website. If you have any questions, I would be more than happy to answer them.
Or should I say works FINE for me
Works fine for me
404 page not found on that URL
The URL you linked is just the home page for our town website - it doesn't say anything about the bridge.
Regardless, the bridge is NOT open for snowmobiles, and the last few winters, as noted above, signage was posted saying the bridge was not maintained in the winter, though such signage was never installed this year.
Local area resident speaking
Amanda actually is correct. This bridge is closed whenever there is more than ~2 inches of snow on it. This is not a snowmobile trail, but rather essentially is just the sidewalk for the replacement bridge.
Usually there are signs erected at both ends that say “Bridge not maintained in the winter” however for some reason this year they were never put up.
Regardless, I can confirm that currently the bridge is accessible and fully open to pedestrians.
This is pretty sad that this bridge has been destroyed as it was the only bedstead in the direct Louisville, KY area. If anyone has any info on its history, please chime in.
Any clue about this bridge? Seems historic, but newly relocated to this place.