This is Stickney Point Bridge
The south siesta drawbridge
Perhaps the line has been deactivated. The bridge was listed as possibly being up for replacement... so that might not be a bad thing.
Just wanted to know if something was wrong with the train trussele because no train has ran and seen the bridge has been open for awhile now never seen it open that long ?
This is a correction to my comment below. The name of the vessel that collided with the bridge in 1980 was the MV _Summit_ Venture, as correctly identified by other posters.
My information below comes from the NTSB Accident Report, which is available at https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/...
The Skyway Fishing Pier State Park status was obtained on Dec 6, 2020 from the Florida State Parks web site.
This is in reference to James Norwood's comment in 2009 and older comments.
The only survivor of the 1980 ship collision which destroyed the southern span was actually driving a Ford Courier pickup truck. That person survived because their truck actually bounced off of the MV Ocean Venture, the ship that brought the bridge down. This glancing collision with the ship actually reduced the total collision energies the truck and driver were subject to enough that the pickup driver entered the water with only minor injuries, and was able to swim free and be rescued.
The 35 people who died were subject to instant collision forces of no less than 67mph when their vehicles entered Tampa Bay. Most of them actually died of blunt-force trauma from the collision with the bay, and the few who actually drowned were so busted up that they were unable to successfully get out of their vehicles and up to the surface or even position themselves in such a way as to avoid drowning until the divers could rescue them.
This included the driver of the El Camino Mr. Norwood mentioned. That person's vehicle was actually the most seriously damaged vehicle of those to enter the water according to the NTSB.
As of December 2020, in spite of a world-wide pandemic of the respiratory viral disease "Covid-19," the Skyway Fishing Pier State Park is still open for anglers and other enthusiasts, so there is that.
What you are seeing on the North side is the old bridge. It was retained for pedestrian use. I was in Ocala recently and had hoped to get out there but it didn't happen.
According to Google Street View, the old bridge was replaced with a more modern two-lane bridge with a pedestrian/bicycle crossing on the north side.
Great pic John!
Yes, most of us here are very familiar with this beauty and just how important it is. We just need to convince the powers that be in Florida to preserve it.
It's already added to the site, and we had an issue where a troll lied about it being destroyed by flooding: https://bridgehunter.com/fl/lafayette/drew/
You might be interested in the Drew Railroad Trestle in Mayo, Fl
This trestle is a part of Florida history that needs to be saved.
I see a section missing... but not an entire bridge.
I am from Southern Alabama. The hurricane caused massive flooding and I am afraid more historic bridges could very well be affected. We will know soon when the storm is passed and the floods recede.
Well at least in this case it was a modern UCEB that was damaged/lost and not an historic bridge
Just saw the damage to the bridge on ABC channel 6 Philadelphia World News tonight.From what i saw it looked like a big chunk was taken out.
The second new replacement bridge known as the "Three Mile Bridge", which had just opened, was destroyed today by Hurricane Sally. A barge broke loose and got stuck under it Tuesday Sept 15, and then a crane fell on it knocking part of it into the ocean on Wednesday Sept 16. See Wikipedia link above.
I have now re-listed the current bridge at http://bridgehunter.com/fl/brevard/bh90167/ and this time I did it right so that the page actually works.
I have indicated this bridge as the "Old" bridge as there is a plate girder double-leaf bascule bridge at this location today, which is also old enough to be considered historic IMO (though just barely so). I had previously attempted to add it to the site, not knowing about the original bridge here. However, there were multiple technical glitches that resulted in the page being so badly malformed that I had to take it down. I may try again, now that I know that it's not even the first bridge at the location.
Perhaps you should email your local road department of the issue instead of telling Bridge Wikipedia.
For the past two days the Davie Bridge has been making a pretty loud noise when cars drive over the center of the bridge.
Sounds like steel hitting steel.
It just started, usually not as noisy...the bridge is only a few hundred feet from my bedroom window.
Just an FYI.......
Maybe a little 3-in-oil like my dad used to say.
Thanks for your time,
I just by luck stumbled upon what I believe is the bridge's new location. It joins Fern Isle Park with the Miami Police Benevolent Association's property; coordinates are:
Only a mile from the original location.
I've updated the status to "lost"/"removed but not replaced" (in database classification terms), since while the rest of it remains intact, what remains effectively functions as glorified piers on opposite sides.
A quick check of when exactly the bascule leaf was removed revealed that that was done on October 26, 2010.
The bridge is definitely out of service, cutting off Boot Key from Marathon Key.
Apparently this bridge has been doomed since 2015
The map location and water crossing info for this bridge is incorrect. This was over North Fork of *Black Creek*(not the St Johns River) on Blanding Blvd(SR21), Middleburg (unincorporated). The present bridge is the 3rd one at or near that location. The photo here *might* be of a bridge that crossed many years ago on present day U.S. Hwy 17, at the mouth of Black Creek where it empties into the St. Johns River. The present day bridges in both locations are newer, multi-lane bridges.
Much appreciated Robert
Dude, i love your sketch, but I have a real photo of the bridge.
Here's a photo of the original bridge downloaded from the 'i'm from labelle florida and i remember..." facebook page.
I was not the designer of record but I designed this bridge top to bottom while working for Figg & Muller Engineers, Inc.in 1983. I'd been out of school for 2 years. It is indeed the only precast segmental bridge in the country designed for heavy rail, E80 loading. The above info is correct except the total length was 11,370'. I recall the wind design loading was 150 mph winds. It was also designed to withstand storm surges and waves which actually happened during hurricane Ivan. I believe the surge was ~15' with waves another 7 or 8 ft. Some of the end spans were completely covered during the storm yet it rode it out fine. I do know that during construction they had to upsize and increase the pile lengths as the test piles didn't show enough capacity. (Sometimes geotechs get it wrong!)
Taken by FDOT on June 17, 1953. "Section 8613- Road 814 Broward County bridge program. Looking east at existing bridge."
Taken by FDOT on June 17, 1953. "Section 8613-175 Road 814 Broward County bridge program. Looking west at existing bridge."
Taken by FDOT on June 17, 1953 "Section 8613-175 Road 814. Looking north west at existing bridge."
Taken by FDOT on February 12, 1957. "Section 8613-175 Road 814. Final photograph showing the recently completed bridge over the Inland Waterway at Pompano Beach."
The university is finally acknowledging that it plans to build a new bridge here. One is definitely needed, because the signal-controlled pedestrian crossing of busy US-41 here is itself dangerous. Let's just hope that extreme care will be taken to safely build a safe bridge. Please, no concrete truss, or anything else experimental. This disaster will forever be a stain on the reputation of the FIU Engineering Department, as well as all others who were building it. Lawsuits are still underway.
This is an excerpt from a message sent by FIU president Mark B. Rosenberg to the university community on October 22, 2019:
"Looking to the future, the need for a safe link between our campus and the City of Sweetwater is increasing every day. The number of students living on the other side of 8th Street is expected to double, and a pedestrian bridge is needed for the more than 3,000 students who must cross 8th Street safely several times a day.
"To address this, FIU does intend to build a new bridge where the victims will be memorialized as part of the University City Prosperity Project. We will keep the community updated on these plans."
I have fond memories crossing this bridge as a kid. We would regularly travel from Broward County to Lake Wales, Florida. My mom would head west and pass through the bridge on our way around the lake, making our way to Hwy 27 North. I remember the rumble of the tires on the grate and watching the trusses pass overhead. I travel through the area often and would always wonder about the bridge. I stumbled upon this site. Thanks to this site I was able to locate it and go take pictures before it is replaced. Hopefully they do not replace it anytime soon. It's still in great shape and a piece of South Florida history.
I had the pleasure of meeting the current bridgetender. This is a photo of the old bridge. It is hanging in the bridgetenders office.
This bridge is slated for demolition and replacement as part of the First Coast Expressway project, although no timetable has been set.
The new bridge will likely be of a similar design to the Henry H. Buckman Bridge upstream - concrete girder/trestle bridge but with a high rise span to allow marine traffic to pass through without a moveable span.
There is a possibility that the new bridge will be privately-owned and therefore will be a toll bridge, however it seems unlikely. The FCE is/will be privately managed, but as far as I know the new Shands Bridge will be public infrastructure.
I love tracing abandoned rail lines. Can find a ton of cool stuff while doing so.
I can't help with the bridge, but I'm glad you're tracking the route. Nature is quickly taking it over.
I discovered this bridge (or, at least what certainly looks like a bridge) while tracking the L&N branch line from of Andalusia, AL. I checked my work using Google Earth, and the 1997 historical imagery does seem to support the existence of a bridge here, though I would love to have someone double check my work.
Under facts/also called/ you left off the first "r" in Carl D. Brorein's last name. He was my mother's first cousin and Brorein was her maiden name. My aunt, her only sister, just turned 101 years old.
The Brorein family was instrumental in founding the Florida State Fair among other ventures in Tampa.
This bridge is confirmed to still exist. Pic:
Thank you for this information!! Has been in debate in our family conversations for many months. Now I am validated in the facts shown!!
I assume CSX owns it. Here's a link to their contacts page:
How do I contact to open bridge to take my boat thru
In case anyone is wondering if this bridge is still standing, I found the following:
Amended Tentative 5 Year Work Program, July 1, 2019 Thru June 30, 2024.
LAFAYETTE CAMP GRADE ROAD OVER STEINHATCHEE RIVER BRIDGE NO334001 437426-1
Work Mix Description:
RIGHT-OF-WAY LAND ACQ
Funding Source: Federal
Year: 2020: $36,707
No other funding noted in the 5 year plan.
Railroad bridge is https://bridgehunter.com/fl/washington/bh48530/
Road bridge in foreground is https://bridgehunter.com/fl/washington/caryville/ , of which you've already sketched.
I need help !!!!
Here is a photo of the bridge from 10/06/2019. The bridge is easily accessed by a maintained road.
I'm trying to find out the vertical draft (clearance) under the bridge at mean low/high tides for water traffic underneath if anybody can find out would be helpful I can't seem to find it anywhere.
Here is the Video
Here is a short video of this bridge taken June 2019.
The bridge seen today is modern and not historic. It completely replaced the original riveted truss. Here is the original bridge as seen in 1981.
I'm pretty sure the details in here on both this bridge and the new one are incorrect.
Here are a few videos of a driver documenting the replacement of this bridge in 1994/1995 with the current higher bridge, not built in 1920...but rather 1994
The previous bridge may have been built in the 20s or 40s I have no idea, but it was a dual lane drawbridge that was replaced
when the bridge will be open, please?
Great pictures in Mike's attached folder. I hope we can add them to the page.
Current bridge was built in 1977: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/211302968/
I'm working on this bridge would like more info from it's origination.
Built 1909, from a Railway Age article of the same year.
I wish I was at the Mulysa Bridge today. It would be fitting after this crazy fun...
I just hope that the Mulysa Bridge does not collapse. It is way cool!
Okay, thanks for letting us know that they were tourists. I'm hoping that some of them got photos of the bridge while it was parked next to the Hal Adams Bridge. I would be interested in seeing some documentary photographs of the restoration.
I'm hoping maybe one of the photographs might have caught a company vehicle. That way if we know for example that Billy Bob's Bridge Restoration was involved then we would know that they were great contractor to be able to pull something like this off.
No, thatís not what I meant.
I meant that I saw two TOURISTS from West Virginia and Idaho parked in a pull-off near the Hal W. Adams Bridge at the same time that I was there.
I am not surprised that somebody from West Virginia would be there. That is a really good item to note. West Virginia is a heavily industrial state and I could certainly see some bridge restoration companies being based there.
Local resident, did you happen to catch the name of the company from West Virginia? I'm very impressed that they could do perfect replication of the original parts and get the whole thing back on the pier so quickly.
Everyone can believe what they want to believe. Everyone can think what they want to think. Nobody can physically change someoneís opinion, even when itís wrong.
That said, I know what I saw. Other people saw it too. I really donít have any thoughts about good faith/bad faith with Amanda, but I do know that around the same time I was looking at the bridge, a man from West Virginia and a man from Idaho were also there, which says something.
As Iíve said repeatedly, just drop the stick and move on.
Flood stage = flooding.
Flooding = flood stage.
A river cannot flood without hitting flood stage.
J.P. beat me to the punch. This graph shows that through the year that the river only was 4' higher than in my pictures at the highest. In April, the river was measured at about 1 foot higher than in my pictures.
Someone is full of crap. There is no way a bridge this size is moved to a suspension bridge nearby, fixed, and then reinstalled in two weeks. The permits alone would take longer. This is obviously the same person making this prank.
Ahem... look at that chart VERY closely.
Youíll notice in the key it says that the red line is ďNational Weather Service Flood StageĒ. That doesnít mean that the river canít flood without hitting that stage. I highly doubt that the swing pier is 34-35 feet tall, although I havenít examined it closely. Regardless, I do know from experience that it doesnít take 35 feet of water to flood some of the low-lying streets near the water bank.
So just to show how high the water has been along with records here is a chart showing the current, the highest in the last 365 days and historical. This is the closest gage which is located at the Hal W Adams Bridge. I'm happy to say that this particular spot hasn't hit flood stage since 1948. Chart provided by the USGS. Link provided.
I'm curious what the true extent of the damage is. Comparing my photos to Nathan Holths, there is no distinguishing difference. However, you are correct that I am not a local. I live a 23 hour drive from the structure, and based my field report on what I found. When did these flash floods occur? I am curious to the water levels then.
I couldnít agree with that last statement more...
It might be very difficult to tell which members were replaced, since it appears that either the state and/or the counties painted over the new modern steel with the same color as the rest of the cast iron to hide the ugly new modern beams...
I will be interested to see which members got replaced. John Marvig always does a very thorough documentation of bridges when he visits them. Once he posts photos to his website, I will look through them to figure out which members got damaged.
It would seem like a complete waste of taxpayer money to put this bridge back on the failing pier.
I saw the bridge when it had been relocated to the Hal W. Adams Memorial Bridge, but it was fenced off with ďNo TrespassingĒ signs posted, and there happened to be a police officer running traffic traps nearby, so I didnít want to raise questions and thus I didnít take any photographs.
I made another visit about 2 weeks ago, and was shocked and surprised to discover that the bridge was no longer there. I then went down to the river and found the bridge back on its original pier. While I was not able to get up close to the bridge as I donít own a boat, I could tell from a high-zoom camera lens that a few members of the truss had been replaced, and others significantly repaired. Beyond that I was not able to make any further conclusions.
I then spoke to a large population of my neighbors, and none of them could agree on what happened after the bridge was restored, and none of them could agree on why the bridge would be placed back on the failing pier.
Thatís why Iíve suggested that we assume that the bridge sustained minimal damage from the flood, and that it was only relocated for inspection or possibly partial restoration. Look at the glass half full and drop the stick, please.
So, back to my original question. Did you see any evidence of construction on your last site visit? Do you know how the bridge would have been placed back on the pier?
My apologies. I accidentally posted the previous comment in the general forum instead of on this page.
This is all very interesting. Do you know why the Florida Department of Transportation would have been involved? This seems strange to me. It seems odd that the Florida Department of Transportation would have jurisdiction over a railroad bridge.
Have you seen any evidence of construction activity around the bridge? Do you know how the bridge was placed back on the pier without any trees being cut down?
Probably inspecting it to make sure that it wasnít damaged... or possibly (perish the thought) rehabilitation... something the neither FLDOT nor the two counties have seemed to care about.
Anonymous user, do you even know what ďdrop the stickĒ means?
So, if the truss survived the floodwaters, then what was it doing at the Hal Adams Bridge?
And I did. So did several others.
Iím not sure what part of ďdrop the stickĒ you donít understand...
Just Simply Local Resident:
In your May 19th post, you said that you saw the bridge sitting next to the Hal Adams Bridge. Can you explain why you said that? Don't tell me that you got bad information from Amanda. You yourself said that you saw the bridge next to the Hal Adams Bridge.
Does anybody know the dates for this supposed flood event? If someone can post the time frame that this flood allegedly happened, then we can access the USGS data. That data will give us a good idea for how high the water actually got on the pier, if this alleged flood even happened.
The way this nonsense is going, we are all going to be local residents to the Mulysa Bridge.
Iím only argumentative because they are trying to discredit every single thing I say, when I donít believe any of them are local residents.
John said he had to drive 3 hours to get to the bridge - thatís not a local resident. I cannot disclose where I live for privacy and security reasons, but I can say that I live within biking distance of the bridge.
Please, everyone, just DROP THE STICK. This discussion has gone on for too long. Iím surprised that everyone isnít content to assume that there was no damage from the flood, despite the floodwaters submerging the bridge pier. Thatís great news, isnít it? I think so.
Thanks Robert for letting me know about the pictures John posted.Looks to me like the bridge is still standing,huh?What I also want to know is why this "local resident" is so argumentative with everybody?
I made that claim based on the information I had available at the time. There are still some other residents who believe that the bridge was swept off the pier. As I have said repeatedly, it appears unlikely that it was swept off, despite evidence suggesting just that at the time
I agree with George regarding enough of this arguing. As Iíve also said repeatedly, flooding submerged the swing pier, but no local Resident can agree on what happened or didnít happen after that. As such, letís look at the glass half full and assume that the truss withstood the floodwaters and was not damaged, unless/until we hear otherwise.
Iím getting tired of this... why is it so difficult to make a positive assumption since we really donít know what happened? Drop the stick, please.
Simply Just Local Resident:
On May 19th, you yourself posted on here claiming that the bridge collapsed. You did indeed make this claim. Now you are trying to walk it back after you got called out. I hope that the webmaster blocks you.
John Marvig did get out to the bridge and he photographed it. He has confirmed that the bridge is still standing on the pylon.
Several weeks ago, somebody by the name of Amanda was posting on here and claiming that the bridge had been knocked into the river by a flood. Her comments got removed because she was deliberately posting disinformation and also posting copyrighted materials.
John was able to field visit this bridge and confirm that Amanda was a liar.
I have a great idea which nobody has thought of.Maybe someone can get out to this bridge and document it instead of just arguing and guessing what's going on with the bridge.Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Also, for the record, my name isnít Amanda, but Iím pretty sure that if Amanda was reading this now, she would not be pleased with the insults.
Please stop insulting me.
Again, I never said that the bridge was knocked off the pier. In fact, I disagree with that given the tree in the middle.
For the last time, letís close this discussion with what we know. There was a flash flood. The river overflowed its banks. The water submerged the bridge pier. Beyond that, we donít have definite answers and so we need to stop speculating. Look at the glass half full and assume the best case scenario: the truss was able to withstand the flood and therefore was unharmed.
Just a final note that the ďholeĒ visible in the swing span during Johnís visit (photo #22) proves that there was some flood damage to the swing pier.
Iím not so sure about that. I think it mightíve been possible for the floodwaters to eat away at the hinges on the swing pier enough that the pier would no longer give the truss any support, and therefore it would slide into the river, while leaving the tree (mostly) intact.
However, until either the majority of local residents can agree on a definite answer, and/or until FLDOT can give a definite answer (which theyíre not good at doing), letís just assume that the truss superstructure was strong enough to withstand the floodwaters, and any damage was repaired quickly (as in before Johnís visit). I think thatís the best way to look at it - with the glass half full.
I see no need to discuss this further until and unless we get definite answers. All this speculation as to what did or dindít happen is getting unconstructive IMHO.
That's not how physics works. If the bridge was moved off the pier, the tree would've gone with it.
No, Iím afraid thatís not what happened. It wouldíve been great if it was, but itís not.
The Suwannee River flooded and overflowed its banks on both sides. There was moderate flooding on many local roads that run along the river. The bridgeís swing pier was submerged in water for a time.
What needs to be sorted out is what happened or didnít happen after the floodwaters submerged the bridgeís pier. Was the truss superstructure able to withstand the floodwaters being within feet of it, and therefore was unharmed? Did the waters slide (but not yank, knock, or pull) the bridge off the pier, so that the tree remained intact, but the bridge was in the river? Did the bridge get pulled off and the tree was strong enough to withstand it? We donít know, and no local resident that Iíve spoken with can agree.
However, we do know with certainty that during a flash flood, water was covering the pier.
I can tell you exactly what happened. The bridge stood firm on the pillar while the water flowed underneath. Nothing more nothing less.
I have not and will not disclose my name. Please refer to me as "Local Resident" or simply just "Resident" if you will.
Also, I never said that the bridge was knocked off its pier. In fact, I agreed with John below that the chances of that having happened were low given the tree in the middle of it.
However, what I do know, and what many locals know, is that the Suwanee River did seriously flood, and the floodwaters rose above the height of the bridge pier, to the point that the swing span was sitting on the water. What happened, or didn't happen, after that is what nobody in the area can agree on, and FLDOT refuses to provide details about.
Addis Ababa, or whatever your name is...
You are posting information that has been disproven multiple times. All of us know damn well that this bridge was not knocked off its pier.
Excuse me, but please do not insult me. I am offended by your recent comments.
My name isnít Amanda, nor am I a ďtrollĒ (whatever that means). Please stop.
For the benefit of anybody visiting this website, I would like to say that Local Resident is a troll. Her real name is Amanda and she posts blatantly false information.
She is fake news.